Qrace/class and EQ

I think that there should be an either in-game command or even forum based thread that lets the player base known which and how many slots are available for each slot of the respective qrace/classes. As it stands, I am applying for a qrace, which may already be filled and I would have no idea. Yes, I could ask around, that does not mean I will get the true answer, just maybe what someone thinks. I think this would also be especially helpful for those newer to the lands, yet unsure of what is available, since we have restrictions on the numbers for each respective qrace/class.

Also, I have mentioned this before, but I think it bares mentioning again. The current guidelines for rare EQ and being lower then 50 are that if you cannot obtain it with a group of three, you should not have it. However, how is a new player suppose to have any idea of this. Yes, they could ask an immortal, which creates more work for them. They could ask a player, which depending on the character, may lie to gain said equipment. Third option, restrict the characters to only be able to pick up those rares that are deemed usable by said level. You could even have a range where you touch a rare item if you are within five levels of it, or something like that.

I think that there should be an either in-game command or even forum based thread that lets the player base known which and how many slots are available for each slot of the respective qrace/classes. As it stands' date=' I am applying for a qrace, which may already be filled and I would have no idea. Yes, I could ask around, that does not mean I will get the true answer, just maybe what someone thinks. I think this would also be especially helpful for those newer to the lands, yet unsure of what is available, since we have restrictions on the numbers for each respective qrace/class. [/quote']

These "restrictions" are more like "guidelines". It's also a fairly good idea to have a character meeting all requirements hanging out at the max level for that qrace/class so that you have a jump for when the slot is open even if it isn't. Heck, I find that qrace wannabes can be the most helpful ranking partners. I know I am.

As for newbs, the forums. We need people to come here. This is FL's life blood. This is the easiest way to retain players. Make them feel welcome. Inside FL can be incredibly rough.

Also' date=' I have mentioned this before, but I think it bares mentioning again. The current guidelines for rare EQ and being lower then 50 are that if you cannot obtain it with a group of three, you should not have it. However, how is a new player suppose to have any idea of this. Yes, they could ask an immortal, which creates more work for them. They could ask a player, which depending on the character, may lie to gain said equipment. Third option, restrict the characters to only be able to pick up those rares that are deemed usable by said level. You could even have a range where you touch a rare item if you are within five levels of it, or something like that.[/quote']

Thieves can have it. If I find your level 50's corpse and you didn't get back in time, I can have it. As long as PK isn't excessive, it's okay. You just can't be getting HANDED this ****. It's that act that gets you in trouble. Not having it. Having it has never been an issue. It's the two acts of being handed it (were you caught?) and did you PK excessively with it (did you have rare equipment powerful enough to make the difference).

There's no more work in watching than usual. By no means do I condone handing down high-level stuff, but, yeah, I might give a level 7 character I see struggling a fiery dagger. Is he gonna get that with a group of three? Probably not.

Just common sense and all newbs go through a learning process. The IMMs and all the rest of us will help out. It's what we do.

The current guidelines for rare EQ and being lower then 50 are that if you cannot obtain it with a group of three' date=' you should not have it[/quote']

This is not true... this guideline is that if you can not obtain it with a group of 3, you cannot be GIVEN the item by a person who does have it. It in no way means you cannot have it if you find it laying on the ground somewhere or in a corpse like Valek said.

This is not true... this guideline is that if you can not obtain it with a group of 3' date=' you cannot be GIVEN the item by a person who does have it. It in no way means you cannot have it if you find it laying on the ground somewhere or in a corpse like Valek said.[/quote']

First of all, I am referring specifically to rares. Secondly, in that, you are incorrect, don't believe me, follow the link: http://forum.theforsakenlands.org/showthread.php?t=12238

The idea is that you should not be possessing items you could not possibly obtain even with a group of three. They will not punish those who do have them, yet do not really pk with them. However, if you intend to apply for qrace/class, you better not have any of those aforementioned rares, because there goes your consideration.

that link states nothing of finding, only of being given. if you find a buncha rares at a pit after someone deletes, or find rares that someone tried to smuggle to a new character, i dont see where the mandate regarding giving or being given rares would be violated.

First of all' date=' I am referring specifically to rares. Secondly, in that, you are incorrect, don't believe me, follow the link: [url']http://forum.theforsakenlands.org/showthread.php?t=12238

The idea is that you should not be possessing items you could not possibly obtain even with a group of three. They will not punish those who do have them, yet do not really pk with them. However, if you intend to apply for qrace/class, you better not have any of those aforementioned rares, because there goes your consideration.

Negative there Charlie-team. Did you even read that post? It's even titled "GIVING AWAY RARES" not "having rares".

I have seen NUMEROUS 30 DK's and Ninjas (just to throw out a couple of the more common lvl 30 sitters) in 50 gear, not completely decked in it, but a moonstone, ring of accuracy, spiked light-steel gauntlets, and an Ancient Banner worth of 50's eq is generally DECKED to a lvl 30 char.

Just because you HAVE the equipment does not bar you from any Qrace/class application as far as I have ever heard of. It DOES however, limit your pk at that rank due to the equipment advantage and the fact you will be HEAVILY monitored because of such. It may even hinder your application because the IMMs have to determine if you are able to actually hack it whether you had that equipment or not.

Equipment circulates throughout all ranks. Lvl 30 thief loots a lvl 50 corpse before the lvl 50 can get to it... big bad lvl 28 zerker comes and bashes the crap out of that thief and loots some of the lvl 50 wares... then comes another char who kills that zerker and takes those rares... this keeps going on and on.

It is against no rule to HAVE the rares at low ranks whatsoever. To either give or accept these rares from ANYONE IS against the mandate, even if it is another lowbie char. There is nothing against taking them with force however... to the victor goes the spoils of war.

Keep in mind also that while PKing in "30 decked" gear might not be illegal in every case, its not very impressive/meaningful either if you are an app candidate.

As some people said, it is illegal to be given these things as well as to accept them. If we see someone with things they could not possibly get at their rank we will usually look into it and see where they got the armor from. If they got it legally but are very very decked for that rank, they will usually be told not to actively pk until they have reached a certain rank. In extreme cases this can go so far as to avoid ALL pk till they reach that rank and being told to reach that rank as soon as possible.

General guidelines for qrace applicants are (as in, this will make it easier for you to get accepted ):

• You should not mass pk, ESPECIALLY in armor you could not get at your rank with a group of 3. If you do this, chances are very high you will get rejected.

• If you have a few "quality" pks in average gear, that impresses a lot more. This means you should not stack pks on people training in the fields, having a severe rank disadvanatage, etc.

• Each of your fights should be well rped.

• You should generally emphasize more on rp than pk.

• Make a name for yourself, get people to know you. This can be done through rp notes (Herald), a lot of interaction, background stories, etc. There is no reason you have to wait with this till you send in your app either. If you already have drawn some (positive) attention to your char when you send the app in, chances are high your waiting time will be a lot less.

• All the training you wish to do at the lower ranks should be done by the time you apply. We don't want to spend our time watching you casting stuff on a bumpkin when we are watching you.

• Behave according to the qrace rules even if you are not one yet. That means do not gang, avoid tags.

EDIT: I meant, pay close attention to what she said. Obviously we should listen to what IMMs say...dang, i'm tired.

Zimthrax was approved in less than three days. I did more than a few things off that list.

Bumping this thread on player request.

As some people said, it is illegal to be given these things as well as to accept them. If we see someone with things they could not possibly get at their rank we will usually look into it and see where they got the armor from. If they got it legally but are very very decked for that rank, they will usually be told not to actively pk until they have reached a certain rank. In extreme cases this can go so far as to avoid ALL pk till they reach that rank and being told to reach that rank as soon as possible.

I remember a point on Emertis (mino zerk) i had a pair of frostburnt bracers i got from two players and i was told to either removed them or not to pk until rank 42. The immortals are pretty good about making sure people do not pk with this kinda stuff on from what i've seen.

I am actually for this Idea. Perhaps just a monthly post that shows the slots available. Not necessarily providing the names of characters currently holding taken slots. I would like to know what is out there, and would be interested in studying which ones are rarely tried. But I could do this without having information about current players holding slots. We really only need to know what is available.

I am actually for this Idea. Perhaps just a monthly post that shows the slots available. Not necessarily providing the names of characters currently holding taken slots. I would like to know what is out there' date=' and would be interested in studying which ones are rarely tried. But I could do this without having information about current players holding slots. We really only need to know what is available.[/quote']

Instead, how about we promote players' initiative by not say out loud what is available and letting them search for the item every time they log in?

I think he is talking about what qrace/classes are open, not what rare items are in.

Nothing like trying to have a demon DK for 100 hours and getting rejected because there is already an active one.

I still see a problem with that since there are a lot of shelved Qthings. It's not like innactive Qthings are purged, so if there would be such list it would be next to useless since all the slots will be taken.

Current example: Boziciu or whatever the name of the illithid psi who was un-shelved recently is. Masokant is another example.

Be aware, if someone is told not to PK due to eq that means they are not to hunt players down. If you decide to attack them you're on your own vs them and their gear. Running your mouth with threats is another great way to have them beat you down for your trouble. I can't say you'll be getting a lot of sympathy from me should this happen....

Of course you can always go over my head to Eshaine - she's the person who has been known to remove PK barriers from low level character swho talk smack to lvl 50s - I'll leave you all to ponder how that conversation might go....

Lytholm.

I'd much just prefer to see a system whereby you get zapped by equipment 5 levels higher than you, people who are rank sitting have no business using that equipment anyway and if you are ranking up you can get it when its your time - this keeps more rares in circulation at pinacle as well - which there seems to be a fair amount of complaint about right now.

10 ranks and only if all the equipment is checked so that the rank matches the actual power.

Then again, why do we need PK ranges? Not having them would solve this problem. There would be a lot more interesting power relationships going on then too.

10 ranks and only if all the equipment is checked so that the rank matches the actual power.

Then again, why do we need PK ranges? Not having them would solve this problem. There would be a lot more interesting power relationships going on then too.

Runs to roll a DK.

Run my little chunks of XP, Run from my hungry malform!!!.

Easily balanced (already is, right?) by putting a no weapon level gain from too far below.