Locked Monk Beads

i think monks are the only perfect class. nothing needs to be changed IMHO

I absolutely hate fighting monks. No matter what it is the same series of things every battle.

Chii bolt air thrash triplock. Using lag is one thing, but NEVER have I seen another class that was able to so easily lag lock. I remember Tassin sent me a log of Waojin vs Weituo. Waojin (drow dk) was locked in combat for something rediculous like 45 rounds. Weituo was dealing NO damage, but was taking very little as well. He just locked him til sanc fell and relied on chakra/special stance attacks to finish it.

I absolutely hate fighting monks. No matter what it is the same series of things every battle.

Chii bolt air thrash triplock. Using lag is one thing, but NEVER have I seen another class that was able to so easily lag lock. I remember Tassin sent me a log of Waojin vs Weituo. Waojin (drow dk) was locked in combat for something rediculous like 45 rounds. Weituo was dealing NO damage, but was taking very little as well. He just locked him til sanc fell and relied on chakra/special stance attacks to finish it.

I doubt Waojin had full malforms then. If he did it would have been a totally different battle.

I doubt Waojin had full malforms then. If he did it would have been a totally different battle.

Hehe, a DK needing a FULL malform to not be laglocked to death by a monk is lame. Well hell, he'd still be laglocked, just not dying first. It's sick.

Hehe' date=' a DK needing a FULL malform to not be laglocked to death by a monk is lame. Well hell, he'd still be laglocked, just not dying first. It's sick.[/quote']

To my knowledge Waojin had either 1 full and one partial, or two high partial malforms at the time.

You also forgot to mention that Weituo was a Barbarian, and coupled with several stances and Barbarian skills, monks are the ultimate lag machines. The class itself is not broken.

Take human battlemage, pandemonium nexus for example. Are battlemages broken as well?

Warmaster stances also help. A lot.

Like a mage class, training and luck should be what helps you use your strategy. ie, not failing that dispel, losing concentration.

For monks, training and luck are what your class is made of, and your victory is almost alywas decided on. Try fighting someone with 0 or even 50 in their anat.. it doesn't work so well. Get it to 100, master your chii bolt and air thrash and you're in ultimate lag city on nearly all c/cs, and then melees will still not have an easy time.

It's not always easy as that though, which is why I've been destroyed by casters and communers as my monk.

Dey

It's not always easy as that though, which is why I've been destroyed by casters and communers as my monk.

Dey

And because they are being played by you.

Which surely.. would then imply that there is skill involved in playing a monk, moreso than just the air thrash/bolt/trip luck combo that people are suggesting.

In all seriousness, I do think they are very luck-orientated, don't get me wrong. I also agree with the whole re-work situation, just I have no idea how to go about it.

Some of the smarter c/cs I've fought, however, have consistently given me trouble, even if I have beat them once or twice.

They also struggle stupendously with some other combos. I think Monks are one of the more extreme examples of rock, paper scissors gameplay in FL.

Dey

Heh, if you people saw how ill trained Neraldis was, and his Anats, you'd cry. I still managed to kick arse though.

To my knowledge Waojin had either 1 full and one partial' date=' or two high partial malforms at the time.[/quote']

I did have a full malform in my inventory but was wielding my lower lvl malform in my hand. By an incredible stroke of luck he caught me without sanc from the last time I typed 'where' to me moving 7 rooms killing that goblin and moving 7 rooms back. Weituo must've typed where a split second after I typed it because I always type where before and after I leave an area and he spammed it as I was on the way out. Also the log emp_newb is referring to is only half the battle. My client could'nt keep track of it all Its actually around 60 rounds of pure lag. Though this is funny because last time I brought it up the reponses to this subject was a bit different. I remember Fest's last invoker quit because of a pure laglock from a monk and something tells me it had nothing to do with skill on Fests part (i.e. Iyorvin the Godslayer) and I bet that battle took no longer than 10 rounds now compare that to 60 Now imagine you are fighting one in cabal warfare that either has your standard or even if he is after yours, even if he is in mithril if you are tanking/attacking the cabal guard you've pretty much lost. I at least hope strict rules are enforced barring monks from hiding behind cabal guards because relying on that strat is the cheapest thing I can think of. *All eyes on Scholin and other monks *

Well I was fighting scholin a bit tonight as a voker. And there is a POSSIBILITY of a full lag lock, I think you just got INSANELY unlucky.

He only got 2 laglocks out of 5-7 skirmishs. I had the upper hand on.

The scary ones are chakras. shudder

I had elf anatomy mastered on a human monk. Took on a drow cleric. Got pissed at him, he was my group mate. I had the ultimate surprise factor, attacking a group mate. I hit him with a level 3 chii bolt and proceeded to trip in CRANE stance.

I didn't get a lag lock. But it sounds like I should have, eh?

Sure, because monks shouldn't be allowed to attack people who attack their guards now? Shall we just disregard the way our class is meant to fight currently and not use chii bolt/thrash/trip at the standard because people are deeming it 'unclassy'?

What makes that any different from a warrior, zerker, DK, vampire, and the list goes on, from laglocking someone at their cabal guard, other than the fact that monks have the potential to have a more potent laglock (and notice I use the word 'potential', some classes have access to lag that can be much more effective).

With all due respect, as for the "All eyes on Scholin" remark, what is that supposed to mean? Anyone I need to fight at any given time, I do so properly, unless it's defence of the standard or similar. Are you just expecting me to say, "****, he ran past me and got to the Titan, I'll just leave him now to take the standard?"

I seriously am in awe at what I'm reading here. Sure, monks could use some tinkering with but people are making out as if they're like some godly unkillable machine. I'm just going to steer clear from monk discussion for now.

Dey

Yeah Tassin, I agree with Dey. What's this "All eyes on Scholin" ****? I wasn't expecting it from you tbh.

I've defeated Scholing with a shaman ffs, and I ain't that good of a player. Can we stop the whining now, this is getting absolutely rediculous. First it's necro pets, then it's malforms, now its monks. What's gonna be the new flavour of the month/week?

Yeah, Scholin's got some new powers now though, that make her a PITA.

Thats alright, when I first fought Scholin I thought the player was a complete newbie. Seemed to be near on useless at PK . Warmaster skills certainly help now.

Sorry Dey, but you sucked

As for you foxx, must have been some merit to some complaints if things got changed. I got some serious buffs with blademasters at the moment, I think its because they are bugged however (in a buff sort of way). I more or less dropped a character because of them. Utter frustration lead me to ruining a perfectly good character. The right combo can be so rediculously powerful against so many people, so much so that they don't have to use sanc or crits strikes whilst fighting against a huge rank disadvantage.

I thought I was doing super well with not complaining for the first month back, however, the longer the play the more things I am seeing that just give me the ****s. Soon enough, I'll be off again. I told myself I'd only play this for enjoyment, and if it turned into belt your laptop in utter frustration experience that I was going to give it in. Its not quite to that stage yet, but I suspect it'll get their soon enough.

Monk's aren't one of these things, but I can see why people are having frustrations with them. IMHO, Hlecla is far better PK'er then Scholin. People seem to think of monks as not newbie friendly, whereas, I consider them extremely newbie friendly. There are alot of things you can do to make bashes, bodyslam etc alot less effective. There isn't so much you can do about a monk lagging you. If you cant outdamage them in straight meelee combat, fighting a monk is always going to be a high risk sport. Back to the point, because you have such lagging potential, you don't have to rely on chasing and reengaging to finish the kill. Which, IMHO, is 90% or more of the effort required in a victory. I tried playing a goodie cleric for kicks and giggles. I got millions of people near death, however, I didn't finish a single opponent. Yep, I suck.

That's because, I suck.

First time playing a class like this though, it does take time to get used to knowing what stances to use and when, against various race/class combos. I still dread facing certain people because I've had no exposure to fighting them, and aren't overly sure what to do.

It's even worse when I don't know what other people can do.

But yeah, NOW I'm out of the conversation.

Dey

Somebody lock this please.