Undeads are nice qclasses, but there is not a single qclass I would take over a PROPERLY FUNCTIONING crusader. That class has the single most potential to do WHATEVER you want period. You wanna laugh at mages, then build this way, you want to take on 15 characters at once, build this way. There where points on my sader I cleared a balance of 60/60 hit dam, with -40 saves across (-20 spell, -20 in each category) and had 500 ac, and there where times I had well over 800 ac with decent hit dam. That class has STUPID amounts of potential and replayability.
The unbalance of good and evil.
Yes, goods get no mal class.
That's not true. One class avail to goods/neuts/evils has a few critical mals...and a few not-so-critical ones. No, not blademasters.
As for the original poster, you are absolutely right about the Good vs. Evil thing. However, the balance isn't completely lop-sided, there just needs to be a couple tweaks/tones and I think things will be much more balanced overall. I posted my ideas on Raargant's thread about "That is why I kill people..."
Undeads are nice qclasses' date=' but there is not a single qclass I would take over a PROPERLY FUNCTIONING crusader. That class has the single most potential to do WHATEVER you want period. You wanna laugh at mages, then build this way, you want to take on 15 characters at once, build this way. There where points on my sader I cleared a balance of 60/60 hit dam, with -40 saves across (-20 spell, -20 in each category) and had 500 ac, and there where times I had well over 800 ac with decent hit dam. That class has STUPID amounts of potential and replayability.[/quote']
Just to back up Emp_Newb's point.
/---------------\/----------------------------------------------\ | Rihler || the General of the Holy Order | \---------------/\----------------------------------------------/ | Str: 24(24) || Level: 50 Sex: M Age : 26(139h) | | Int: 17(17) || Class: crusader Ethos: chaotic | | Wis: 17(17)^1 || Race : Frost(storm) Align: good | | Dex: 16(16)^4 || Hp : 881/1058 Exp : 27161/564839 | | Con: 20(19) || Mana : 529/529 | \ Lck: [|||||-] \/ Move : 422/424 +Hit: 71 +Dam: 51 / /---------------/\------------------/\--------------------------\ | ARMOR || SAVES || Deity : The One God | | Slash : -652 || Spell : -21 || Faith : Church | | Pierce: -633 || Afflictive : -28 || Weight: 175/575 | | Blunt : -642 || Maledictive: -20 || Items : 33/34 | | Magic : -601 || Mental : -25 || Prac : 34 Train: 0 | | || || Gold : 4506 | \---------------\/------------------\/--------------------------/ / Condition: You have a few cuts and bruises. \ | You are drunk. | \---------------------------------------------------------------/Shame I sucked majorly.
Dey
Just to back up Emp_Newb's point.
You are drunk. You have just bought a TURKEY!!!!
Dey
Yea, we know.
Funny that a few people think I posted this to be whiney! HAHA! Considering I do not have a good or evil. That is why I posted this in the IDEAS/SUGGESTIONS forum asking for INPUT. <---- completely different from whining, and if you think it is whining, dont post on here cuz your just going to lose credibility from me. I posted this because I had a few thoughts and wanted to get further perspective and opinions from other players. That is what forums are for, not to whine.
It is a matter of tone. If you re-read your original post you may get what I mean. You may not have intended it to sound that way, but it read as though you had already made up your mind in the "facts" you stated, which makes the issue less of a debate and more of a....whine?
At least that's how I interpereted it.
It is a matter of tone. If you re-read your original post you may get what I mean. You may not have intended it to sound that way, but it read as though you had already made up your mind in the "facts" you stated, which makes the issue less of a debate and more of a....whine?
At least that's how I interpereted it.
I have never understood why evils get better/more things than goods. Such as demons for example, why do they need to be giant sized and fly? Why not make them giants and have to worry about getting flight on their own, or give them flight and make them worry about changing their size? Why are there four quest races/classes for evils (undead, demon, vampire, lich) and only two things for goods (avatar, crusader)? Not like the game isnt and hasnt been leaning towards evils anyway. Why not come up with something new for goods? Opinions please.
Above was the original post. Was not trying to whine in any way. Was only asking questions and ask for opinions, and only a few people have actually given opinions on what I asked.
Why are there four quest races/classes for evils (undead, demon, vampire, lich) and only two things for goods (avatar, crusader)? Not like the game isnt and hasnt been leaning towards evils anyway. Why not come up with something new for goods? Opinions please.
Like I said... there are pretty much 10 qraces for goodies.
Want a giant goodie beastly qrace? Avatar Ogre/Storm Giant
Want an auto-flight beastly qrace? Avatar Avian
Want a super high-dex qrace with magic resistance? Avatar Halfling.
Etc. etc.
Dey
there are 10 qraces, then you need to factor in crusaders SO.
You have Dwarf Elf Human Half elf Storm Giant Ogre Halfling Faerie Avian Slith can all be avatars.
THEN you have Elves, Half Elves, Humans, and Storms that can be saders.
Goodies may have less options, but MAN some of them can have some real POWA!
I think half the reason you guys had such uber stats on a crusader is because.. well.. they were bugged... Someone told me about items with +30 hitroll and stupid stuff. Obviously, this isn't meant to be so. I don't know if owner only crusader gear can be created with the level of skill you guys had, I dont remember, its been 7 or 8 years since I played a sader. If you can make that stuff owner only though, I consider that stupidly powerful.
Is there a reason I didn't see Psi's mentioned? Or did I just miss that.
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You forgot Psionicists for Goods. (Yes evils can be one too, but only squids)
Also, Avatars can be ANY good race/class. That in of itself is HUGE. Undead have to be human first, demon have to be human first, vamps have to be human dk's first.
Goods do have their perks, and by no means are underpowered. Just because people seem to prefer playing evils....That doesnt mean they are somehow easier to RP or that they have no RP at all.
A lot of evils have great megalomaniacal RP. A lot of evils do the bare minimum. Same applies to goods. A lot of well RPed goods and a lot of them who use the same old time to die evil scum RP.
I agree that neutrals are the most gimped in terms of Q stuff & that neuts are the hardest to RP correctly.
Seriously though wtf is up with threads like this? If it werent for players putting consructive spin to them they just seem whiny and full of crap.
See first paragraph, a-g.
Umm, well psis can be good/neutral/evil. I've always thought of Psis as a neutral-ish class. Only cause if I played a psi again, I'd just toy with people to toy with people. Much like a neutral psion that lives on the 5th floor=P
I still just think that vamps should be a get to 50-remort class. It seems a lot LOT harder to prove yourself to become a sader or even a lich(yet lich prerequisite classes are much stronger at 50) than it is to be a 30 DK. Might as well make vampires a lvl 1 rolling class in that case. 30 pk range is quite quite lacking and IMO kinda a joke. RP should be considered a joke for anyone who is here, playing a RP enforced game...Should be no problem to think up some kind of RP at any lvl. Or maybe put remort for saders at 30 so they can be some nasty competition for the 30 vamp wannabe's? Now that could be interesting. Oop, off topic again....Ummmm....
SPIDERS!
I don't think so far anyone as mentioned...... Dun dun... The cabal powers of Nexus in comparsion to Knight....
See first paragraph' date=' a-g.[/quote']
Ah, my eyes are failing. Thanks, Cornholie-o.
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I'd have to say that the Knight skills are probably in comparison much weaker then Nexus, very much so.
Just look at the difference in L skills... As the protectors of the old crown and the last true bastion of the light you'd expect a bit more power then what is available.
Also I believe knights only reach a decent amount of power once they reach atleast T (true power at E) for praetorians where as at V or T nexus reavers have powers that hugely boost their power. (especially on some combos.)
I'd probably go so far as to say that Knight almost have the weakest skills available to any cabal (excluding herald although some herald skills are 100% awesome.)
Both foxx and aulian took the words right out of my mouth.
Meh, never had any issues with Knight skills. Of course any time I was a Knight I was an elder or above :| So guess that puts me in the 'cant talk' category.
You can't get inducted to Elder, silly.