There isn't' date=' and even if there were, this is a forum and you are not a moderator. You are not authorized to end discussions, especially in the 'ideas and suggestions' section.[/quote']
There is a class which goodies can play which does EXACTLY (and even more) what most people here are suggesting, which is, a "maledictively" kinda oriented class for goodies.
As for illusionists, I have never played them so I can't give my opinion. I feel that FL is quite well balanced at the moment though (except for a class or two which need some little tweaks).
Maledictive class for Goods.
There is a class which goodies can play which does EXACTLY (and even more) what most people here are suggesting, which is, a "maledictively" kinda oriented class for goodies.
I hope you're not talking about blademasters. I've played both both blademasters and shamans, and in my opinion they are almost nothing alike. True there are some similar effects, but play style is different, eq is WAY different, and it's just not near close the same game. If you were NOT talking about blademasters, then completely ignore this post. 
Blademasters have mals......they are NOT a mal dependant class which is what's being suggested foxx.
I hope you're not talking about blademasters. I've played both both blademasters and shamans' date=' and in my opinion they are almost nothing alike. True there are some similar effects, but play style is different, eq is WAY different, and it's just not near close the same game. If you were NOT talking about blademasters, then completely ignore this post.
Ignored then
Ignored then
Then how about stop being so cryptic and tell us which class you're talking about. As long as it's not releasing qclass/race info... but I thought you were talking about a normal class, which we can discuss.
I think he is refering to Psi's.
PSI REQUIREMENTS
Classes : Necromancer, Invoker, Battlemage, Monk.
Races : Illithid, Elf, Half-Elf, Human, Gnome, Avian, Faerie
Level : 50
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MUST INCLUDE WORDS "psi application" in application subject
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Must be good or neutral aligned. Illithid is the exception
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Cannot be a member of any cabal
You must send a scroll of application to "Immortal", scribing of your
history, goals, and any deeds you think may help your chances to be
approved. The scroll must bear the title which includes words psi
and application or it will not be considered. If your scroll is approved
you shall be made to know what else is required of you.
If you are accepted to the secret society of the Psi, you will be reduced
to the first rank with applicable abilities, health and mindpower. Any
skills which you may be allowed to use in the future will be kept, all
others are forgotten.
See also: SELECT, PSI
I think he is refering to Psi's.
In which case I still very much disagree.
As do I. Psis and shamans are extremely different... not to mention, neuts and evils can be psis too.
As do I. Psis and shamans are extremely different... not to mention' date=' neuts and evils can be psis too.[/quote']
Ofcourse they are different, you want a class which can be played by goods with exactly the same spells as shamans? Every class is different, I just said that psi's have some spells which act the same way as most of a shaman's maledictive spells. Whether you agree or not, those spells are fact, just becuase a lot of players playing PSIs relly more on direct damage, it does not mean those spells do not exist and can not be used as maledictions, even if they are mental classed.
Lets not talk about qclasses.
I think this idea is awful.
Ofcourse they are different' date=' you want a class which can be played by goods with exactly the same spells as shamans?[/quote']
Actually, no, I don't. I've not put forward one word of support for this idea... in fact, I rather dislike it, as in fantasy magic that sickens your opponent or otherwise harms them from within is always black magic. Villains use black magic... heroes do not.
However, that psis have spells that can do similar effects as certain shaman spells no more makes them a class that relies on mals than necros having poison, plague, blind, and weaken makes them one. The only true mal class FL has is shamans (no experience with liches yet, can't give an opinion on if they'd qualify). They rely entirely on harming their opponents with disease... by weakening them from the inside instead of beating them down with power. Psis, necros, vamps, and to a lesser degree evil clerics, dks and battlemages all do a combination of the two, but shamans are the extremists who rely entirely on the former (yes, I know we have logs of a shaman meleeing down a melee... but keep in mind this only happens AFTER that melee has been spelled up to an incredible level and probably would die on their own anyways).
Why do you want a Mal class for goods anyway? It sounds to me that people want all the fun of a shaman, with the easy-go-lucky comradery of "lightwalkers" and a pk shield of roughly more than half the player base.
You don't need to have the same class for each alignment, otherwise why have alignment? What is created is the anti-thesis of each other, which was already brought up previously, and which obviously already exists in the game.
You wanna play a mal dependent class, play a shaman, play an evil. Evil align is often considered more difficult, it also has a lot of perks, and it's set up that way for a reason.
Not a bad idea, just not one that should be implemented.
I think the issue everyone is not noticing here is that we immediately think poison/plague/dysentry when we hear mal. Realistically there could be a billion other debuffs that aren't so evil sounding. There could very easily be a not-so-nasty mal class. I'll use illusionist as a fallback since they were around for a minute or two back in the day. Technically, you could have a class that mals someone up but not be the direct "tick by tick bleed you dry while I have a nice laugh two rooms away" sort of thing. Some kind of class that messes with a targets primary offensive source, spells like "fumbling fingers", "wandering mind", or "religious repentance" that gives a certain % that a melee attack, spell, or prayer would backfire and target the doer instead of the target. Wouldn't it be absolutely hilarious if that FG zerk dirted himself? Self-Hellsteam ftw? Blasphem the blasphemer?
Ummm...They could have other interesting spells...ummm...maybe some kind of parasitic spell. Every tick spent in combat with the affected would leech some health or mana (one or the other...which makes me want to say the exact same thing for the above spells...I guess that makes this hypothetical class rather malform leveling friendly but I'm just thinking off the top of my head.). Maybe a spell that copies a buff from a target (with obvious limitations, no unholy strength theft...no q-stuff thieving). I guess as far as a staple damaging method... I honestly don't know. I'm like 10 pumpkin spices beer in already so I'm a little muddled. Maybe a wind spell...not on par damage or effect wise with hurricane...but semi-viable offensively moreso when hitting a vuln. As far as a big gun... actually I think if they are making people hurt themselves they don't need a big gun. Maybe some kind of weak area spell a la chorus of the damned, maybe thunderclap. Heck, give them some kind of wall of shadows spell, call them tricksters, and have a happy halloween everyone.
EDIT: I'll be honest...I just want a semi rogue-caster hybrid. I just don't think ninjas fill that role even though they technically do some casting I guess...
Why do you want a Mal class for goods anyway? It sounds to me that people want all the fun of a shaman' date=' [b']with the easy-go-lucky comradery of "lightwalkers" and a pk shield of roughly more than half the player base.
Having played a good recently, this pisses me off more then anything.
Ever noticed how people are MORE annoying when you cant attack them and they know it?
EDIT: Dont you want to NOT blind the angry zerk?
Having played a good recently, this pisses me off more then anything.
Ever noticed how people are MORE annoying when you cant attack them and they know it?
EDIT: Dont you want to NOT blind the angry zerk?
The people I generally want to punch in the mouth OOC tend to be other goods when I play a good. So many semi-veiled insults because they know I can't technically do anything that drastic about it. So many people grabbing up all the loot from some mob because they know I can't just kill them at their 9% hp to take it from them...
The people I generally want to punch in the mouth OOC tend to be other goods when I play a good. So many semi-veiled insults because they know I can't technically do anything that drastic about it. So many people grabbing up all the loot from some mob because they know I can't just kill them at their 9% hp to take it from them...
Lol if someone did that....... It'd be a close thing with me. Especially if someone else needed it and they didnt really.
I reckon I could handle the outcast 
Lol if someone did that....... It'd be a close thing with me. Especially if someone else needed it and they didnt really.
I reckon I could handle the outcast
Thats why I hate playing goods these days. Other goods tend to be worse jerks than most because they know they are protected. :eek:
No offense to those being offended. Because if you were offended by it, it wasn't meant for you. It was directed more towards those people that are pissing you off because THEY are HIDING behind a PK-SHIELD! Hence the comment.
And once again, proving my point. No mal class needed for goods. Just play a shaman. Now, on the other side, having a new class added to the game, that's definately cool. But not out of necessity. Try playing a qrace. I'd suggest a necro to go LICH. I have a strange feeling about this one...I suggest someone try it out. I would, but currently, I just don't have the time.
Illithids can't go lich...human only. I just like to randomly create classes in my mind. Probably because I fail pretty epicly with all the ones we have. I think it is all the single player and PvE games I play these days... That and the fact that I can't pull out an AK and headshot anyone. That makes me pretty sad.
pfshh Who said anything about Ilithid? I was talking about Liches, I don't know what you're talking about. ;-) Oh, and as for the AK ever considered playing ninja lately? 