Disguise Vamp

So I was thinking, disguise is a good skill to a few different classes and I am sure lots of people know how it works, but I will keep it quiet just in case some do not. I saw a few people that were wanted, roaming about the lands, probably relying on consumables that they seek out since they can not buy from shop keepers.

My proposed suggestion is that Disguise work for buying items from shop keepers while wanted. It makes sense to me that a person able to disguise themself well enough to do something that the skill allows, they should also be able to sneak past a shop keepers eye and buy things from the keeper.

Well, you disguise yourself as a different class, not as a different person. So you would just be a wanted member of a different class.

Well so much for hiding it, even though it should be common knowledge. I think if you can change the way you look enough to convince a guild guardian or whatever they are called, you can change the way you look enough from the person the keeper knew was wanted, to a person slightly different. I just think it would be a nice change. I dont think anyone can argue that this is not reasonable to disguise yourself in a such a manor, I am just looking to see if anyone thinks this will lead to an inbalance.

Disguise can be as much as just having the right kind of badge to get past the guard. It doesn't mean your character looks any different. I know what the help file says, but the skill is more functionally like what I stated. I wish Disguise allowed us to disguise ourselves more according to the helpfile, since that would be rather disgusting.

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Yes I suppose that it could be, but think about what it says when you actually disguise. If I remember correctly, it says something about you begin to look and act... something like that. So if I remember this correctly then you should be able to look and act like you are not the criminal that the shopkeeper would be on the look out for.

Thats an awsome idea! Finaly, a use for disguise that doesnt involve breaking into a dumb guild to catch someone sleeping, a little rp to the skill.

UC

I like it too. It's a little similar to a certain other ability that is not common though it is still pretty neat.

Though I think it would need more thinking behind it, the idea is cool.

'The only problem then is that what classes do we restrict its use to. And then anyone can get into anyone elses guild. No place would really be safe anymore.

...the classes that currently have disguise?

'The only problem then is that what classes do we restrict its use to. And then anyone can get into anyone elses guild. No place would really be safe anymore.

Only two classes have disguise so that would make them a more viable choice for people wanting to play criminals. For one, both classes can steal. Two, most people hate classes that can steal their ****. I say leave it alone, disguise is an easy way to be able to not just get at someone who's after you, but also get away from someone who's after you. Say there's a thief who knows you're a thief, but you're disguised as a Ninja. So they come in trying to get after you, so you're able to disguise as something else and you go Warrior and pop some poison just in case, zip by him and run for the Guild and if you make it and slip in, you're safe for a short time. Or say someone is breaking into your guild because they can't disguise and you know they have ranks and you can't beat them because you've already tried, so you hide and sneak and disguise as something else just as they walk in and run off to the other guild just so you don't get hurt. Yeah, sure it'd be nice to disguise your wanted flag from shop keepers, but hell, do you really want more people playing classes who can steal your ****? No one would be in cities after that and would make some people that are already hard to play a bit harder because they're looking in their inventory to see if they had their **** stolen or not within the last 5 seconds.

would also make a certain cabal skill useless in some repsects.

Not useless, but less useful.

And it's only from shopkeepers... Not like it's THAT big of a deal.

This disguise thing should have more limitations. The general idea is great, but it needs more thought put into it.

If you fail the attempt to deceive the shopkeeper with your disguises, the shopkeeper calls in a guard (Eulau, Wargolem, the wierd vampire in Miruvhor..etc) to attack you.

Why yes, I would love the ability to disguise my thief as a vamp.

Well I think just getting past the shopkeeper shouldnt make that much of a difference. The disguise change would only effect the classes that have disguise as of now, so its not like your allowing warriors to walk past guild guardians and bash a sleeping gnome thief or something.

I forgot, we should probley be careful if we try to impliment something as overpowering as a disguise benifiet. I mean, thiefs being able to have a chance at purchasing stuff from a shop while wanted is rediculas. The strengths then put on the disguise skill would be crazy, thieves would be disguising themselves all the time, the the point of abusing it even. Yes, we must really think this change through, because a thief being able to purchase ... a recall, or a flight.. or a dagger while being wanted is just way too much.

UC

To be honest, I am happy with the ways things are anyhow. I don't need to buy stuff often, because as a Thief I just go Addict and preserve all that nasty stuff I need instead of buying it anyhow. How often do you see Bards getting wanted? Not often enough that this skill would matter. Cool idea, but not really worth the extra work to implement.

I forgot, we should probley be careful if we try to impliment something as overpowering as a disguise benifiet. I mean, thiefs being able to have a chance at purchasing stuff from a shop while wanted is rediculas. The strengths then put on the disguise skill would be crazy, thieves would be disguising themselves all the time, the the point of abusing it even. Yes, we must really think this change through, because a thief being able to purchase ... a recall, or a flight.. or a dagger while being wanted is just way too much.

UC

I forgot, we should probley be careful if we try to impliment something as overpowering as a disguise benifiet. I mean, thiefs being able to have a chance at purchasing stuff from a shop while wanted is rediculas. The strengths then put on the disguise skill would be crazy, thieves would be disguising themselves all the time, to the point of abusing it even. Yes, we must really think this change through, because a thief being able to purchase ... a recall, or a flight.. or a dagger while being wanted is just way too much.

UC

Well I just think it makes a lot of sense. I dont really think it would be abused all that much as consumables are becoming more of a common knowledge. I mean for a theif, your two big things are detect invis and sanctuary.(I know there are others, but those are my two biggest concerns) Both of those things can be obtained very close to one of the main cities in the game. I dont think you will see an abuse of this because everyone can get those consumables for free and thieves can preserve at that.

I dont think you will see a large influx of people going thief over this since most of the people that see a potential abuse can already find a crap ton of consumables. I would say its out of convienience, but of course, being wanted should certainly not make life easier on you. ON the other hand, being able to not look a criminal should be easy for a pinnacle thief with a mastery of disguising himself well enough to get past 90% of the guilds.

I forgot, we should probley be careful if we try to impliment something as overpowering as a disguise benifiet. I mean, thiefs being able to have a chance at purchasing stuff from a shop while wanted is rediculas. The strengths then put on the disguise skill would be crazy, thieves would be disguising themselves all the time, the the point of abusing it even. Yes, we must really think this change through, because a thief being able to purchase ... a recall, or a flight.. or a dagger while being wanted is just way too much.

UC

I just don't see a real point in doing this. Yeah, more possible RP opportunities, but how hard is it to go to say Xymerria or Duergar City or any other of the various cities around the major ones to buy a recall or flight. In fact you can buy the flight scroll in Miruvhor in another city that might be out of the way but not so bad that it's impossible to get to. And if you're Drow/Duergar you have access to the Underdark which can make getting to some of these places easy enough you can practically hide the entire way there.