As it is right now, it's too easy to escape someone who is chasing with murder using a high wimpy (IMO), as the chased would automatically flee after the first hit.
My suggestion is to make it so that when someone uses murder on you, your wimpy won't kick in until the end of the round. This will gimp healers, shamans and clerics a bit, which I don't think is a bad thing 
Thoughts?
Well, a "murder" command SHOULD imply attacking for a full round. That's my view.
I agree. I'm all for this.
Dey
Won't affect me cos my wimpy is always zero.
Hahaha, I'll never forget the times I would capture some of the most feared criminals on my Justices with the ole "follow and apprehend-spam"
Wimpy made'em helpless against the hound.
Won't affect me cos my wimpy is always zero.
Yeah, this was might thought. Wimpy can either be a blessing or a nightmare. Blessing for when you lose link and you were fighting a few MOBs that wont chase if you flee and you hit the wimpy mark, nightmare if you end up fleeing from your enemy into a big nasty mob and then flee right back into them over and over again until one of them pops you. I usually keep mine at 0 now though.
I agree with this change. I also think wimpy shouldn't let you avoid let you flee from lag attacks. If you take the time to time a mages prot shield falling and laglock, they shouldn't be able to just wimpy flee as soon as their health gets below 50%.
I agree with this change. I also think wimpy shouldn't let you avoid let you flee from lag attacks. If you take the time to time a mages prot shield falling and laglock' date=' they shouldn't be able to just wimpy flee as soon as their health gets below 50%.[/quote']
I didn't know that was the case, that wimpy lets you flee from lag attacks. I agree with you, definitely think that shouldn't happen, at all...
Dey
yeah, wimpy shouldn't let you flee earlier than if you typed in the command for it manually.
Wimpy isnt a special flee, its an single automatic flee call from the code that can fail as much as the real flee command. When your hp hits a certon amount all it does is calls an automatic flee so that you do not die, if it waited till the end of the round you might as well take it out of the code because it would be useless. It also shouldnt be fleeing you out of combat if you are lagged, if it is then thats a bug, log it and send it to the immortals, they will send it to thier respective coders.
UC
I think it was a change put in a long while back to allow you to flee with wimpy if you're lag locked. At least that's what I've gathered reading the forum since coming back.
I think it was a change put in a long while back to allow you to flee with wimpy if you're lag locked. At least that's what I've gathered reading the forum since coming back.
If thats the case, im gonna run around with 50% wimpy just to be sure I dont get lag locked...
UC
I'm not sure if it saved me from a lag lock or not as Corinkorth missed his second throw and I hadn't typed flee yet, but I know it saved me from a three round death when he tried killing my Thief. Other than that though, I haven't ever had someone try to lag lock me completely, then again I haven't seen too many Warrior types about. I did get lag locked by one person though, can't recall if I had my wimpy set high or not though, just remember using a gate, coming through with my standard, and next thing I'm hit and hit hard and repeatedly. I haven't bothered with setting wimpy though since I got trapped between a Tribunal and his Guard and ping ponging back and forth for a short stint before being captured. I had a better chance at just quaffing a recall and getting the hell out of there that way than trying to rely on Wimpy.
If thats the case, im gonna run around with 50% wimpy just to be sure I dont get lag locked...
UC
Why do you think communers who let prot shield drop vs melee's survive these days? The flee on the next damage ie a bash and then wimpy helps them flee every time while you hit a decimate each time.
I don't know if its 100% on the lag attacks, but its almost 100% effective when they you chase someone with murder - they flee on your first landed shot.
L-A
I think it was said somewhere before but I will reiterate.
If you get bashed and you flee from wimpy, yes you are out of combat, but still lagged. They should have time to follow and re-engage.
It is still BS because those two rounds the basher is lagged and you had fled, they are not hitting you. If it is still the case, it is a definite bug.
Hardcore bump.
I was recently told by the IMMs, that mid round flees is how wimpy is supposed to be. I suggest this to be changed. My argument is that there should be no automated command that cuts rounds and spells in half. Fleeing from the arrow hit on a murder round and avoiding the next possible 7-8 attacks from a warrior seems a bit unfair to me.
Here are some not very old logs of mine:
You attempt to disrupt Zhaar's ability to concentrate.
Your crippling strike LACERATES Zhaar!
Zhaar has some big nasty wounds and scratches.
Rangoku: [===|===|===|=--]
You fire from a warforged shortbow and hit Zhaar with a couple shots.
A warforged shortbow's arrows maim Zhaar!
Your torrent LACERATES Zhaar!
Zhaar blocks your attack with his shield.
Your torrent LACERATES Zhaar!
You spot a lucrative opportunity!
Your groin kick wounds Zhaar.
Zhaar blocks your attack with his shield.
Zhaar blocks your attack with his shield.
Zhaar's fire shield DISMEMBERS you!
The temporal storm lashes out at you!
Zhaar's temporal storm MANGLES you!
You dodge Zhaar's attack.
Zhaar's punch LACERATES you!
Zhaar's hands flash holy power!
Zhaar's corruption *** DEMOLISHES *** you!
You block Zhaar's attack and attempt to strike at the brief opening.
Your riposte decimates Zhaar!
You dodge a light sword's slice.
Zhaar looks pretty hurt.
Rangoku: [===|===|==-|---]
Zhaar has fled!
Zhaar flies north.
n
Before a Large Meadow
You are at a north end of a large meadow, its outskirts enclosed in thick
forest and tall mountains. Just north of here you can see an entrance to a
tunnel, its floor quickly disappearing in the depths of the mountains.
South of you the meadow opens up, with a large looming object in the
distance.
[Exits: north south]
(Translucent) (White Aura) Zhaar the Will of Gods is here.
m zhaar
Zhaar yells 'Help! I am being attacked by someone!'
You fire from a warforged shortbow and hit Zhaar with a few shots.
A warforged shortbow's arrows MUTILATE Zhaar!
Zhaar blocks your attack with his shield.
You spot a lucrative opportunity!
Your groin kick decimates Zhaar!
Zhaar blocks your attack with his shield.
Your torrent MUTILATES Zhaar!
Zhaar has fled! WIMPY FLEE
Zhaar flies north.
===
Shadowy Woods
A dark and eerie trail leads through the cavernous maw of towering trees
and fearsome sounds. Glowing eyes blink deep within the shadows, following
any and all movement, in idle curiosity. The seemingly lethargic foul
creatures do not guarantee safe passage, and ghostly whispers warn you to
turn back while you still can.
[Exits: north east south]
(Translucent) (White Aura) Zhaar the Will of Gods is here.
A warped creature is here, possessed by a demonic spirit.
Zhaar yells 'Help! I am being attacked by Rangoku!'
You fire from a warforged shortbow and hit Zhaar with a few shots.
A warforged shortbow's arrows MUTILATE Zhaar!
Zhaar stretches his hands, palms out and the blow stops short.
Your hunger MUTILATES Zhaar!
Your torrent LACERATES Zhaar!
You catch Zhaar looking down!
Zhaar is blinded by the dirt in his eyes!
Your kicked dirt grazes Zhaar.
Your torrent LACERATES Zhaar!
Zhaar's fire shield *** DEMOLISHES *** you!
Zhaar is in awful condition.
Rangoku: [===|===|---|---]
Zhaar blocks your attack with his shield.
Zhaar stretches his hands, palms out and the blow stops short.
Your hunger LACERATES Zhaar!
Zhaar has fled! WIMPY FLEE
Zhaar flies south.
===
Shadowy Woods
A dark and eerie trail leads through the cavernous maw of towering trees
and fearsome sounds. Glowing eyes blink deep within the shadows, following
any and all movement, in idle curiosity. The seemingly lethargic foul
creatures do not guarantee safe passage, and ghostly whispers warn you to
turn back while you still can.
[Exits: north east]
(Translucent) (White Aura) Zhaar the Will of Gods is here.
Zhaar yells 'Help! I am being attacked by someone!'
You fire from a warforged shortbow and hit Zhaar with a few shots.
A warforged shortbow's arrows MUTILATE Zhaar!
Zhaar has fled! WIMPY FLEE
Zhaar flies east.
===
Shadowy Woods
A dark and eerie trail leads through the cavernous maw of towering trees
and fearsome sounds. Glowing eyes blink deep within the shadows, following
any and all movement, in idle curiosity. The seemingly lethargic foul
creatures do not guarantee safe passage, and ghostly whispers warn you to
turn back while you still can.
[Exits: north east south west]
Zhaar flies in.
Zhaar yells 'Help! I am being attacked by someone!'
You fire from a warforged shortbow and hit Zhaar with a couple shots.
A warforged shortbow's arrows MUTILATE Zhaar!
Zhaar has fled! WIMPY FLEE
Zhaar flies north.
===
Western Onileon Road
The cobblestone street runs east and west here, underneath the shadow
of the northern wall of the city. A group of Miruvhor's high-profile nobles
laughs heartily as it travels by you, hardly even noting your presence.
A tall row of expensive-looking red brick buildings is lined directly to your
south. You know that you are currently standing in the wealthier quarter
of this city.
[Exits: east west]
(Translucent) (White Aura) Zhaar the Will of Gods is here.
A street urchin is here, scavenging around.
Zhaar narrows his eyes.
You yell 'die! zhawar, youhh szsorCerouhs dog!'
Out of no where, a long, boring, righteous seremon starts playing out in your head.
You fire from a warforged shortbow and hit Zhaar with a few shots.
A warforged shortbow's arrows MUTILATE Zhaar!
Your torrent MUTILATES Zhaar!
Zhaar blocks your attack with his shield.
You spot a lucrative opportunity!
Your groin kick wounds Zhaar.
Your hunger LACERATES Zhaar!
Zhaar blocks your attack with his shield.
Zhaar is shocked by the lightning from the Storm Forger adorned with crystal spike.
Your shocking bite grazes Zhaar.
The Meat Kleefer adorned with a razor crystal adorned with a razor crystal digs into Zhaar's body.
Your wrath grazes Zhaar.
Zhaar's fire shield DISMEMBERS you!
Zhaar has quite a few wounds.
Rangoku: [===|===|---|---]
You do the best you can!
Zhaar has quite a few wounds.
Rangoku: [===|===|---|---]
Zhaar blocks your attack with his shield.
Your hunger LACERATES Zhaar!
Zhaar blocks your attack with his shield.
Zhaar stretches his hands, palms out and the blow stops short.
Zhaar's fire shield mauls you.
With an ominous roar the Storm Forger gathers power from the storm building around it!
You create a cube of water.
Your deluge of water MUTILATES Zhaar!
The temporal storm lashes out at you!
Zhaar's temporal storm LACERATES you!
You dodge Zhaar's attack.
You dodge Zhaar's attack.
You block Zhaar's attack and attempt to strike at the brief opening.
Your riposte devastates Zhaar!
A light sword's slice LACERATES you!
Zhaar has quite a few wounds.
Rangoku: [===|===|---|---]
Your regeneration MANGLES you!
You are allowed to leave the realms.
Focusing your mind, you are able to tune out Zhaar's righteous sermon.
Zhaar has quite a few wounds.
Rangoku: [===|==-|---|---]
Zhaar has fled!
Zhaar flies east.
e
m zhaar
Western Onileon Road
You stand at an intersection of two roads along the northern edge
of Miruvhor. To the west and south, tall buildings of red brick tower above
the city, covering the horizon. To the east, the structures are much smaller
in size, most probably housing the less wealthy citizens. To the north lies
a sea of hot desert, stretching as far as the eye can see. Many travelers pass
through this section of the city, most of them frequenting the nearby shops
just to your south.
[Exits: east south west]
(Translucent) (White Aura) Zhaar the Will of Gods is here.
Zhaar yells 'Help! I am being attacked by Rangoku!'
You fire from a warforged shortbow and hit Zhaar with a couple shots.
A warforged shortbow's arrows maim Zhaar!
Your torrent LACERATES Zhaar!
You catch Zhaar looking down!
Zhaar is blinded by the dirt in his eyes!
Your kicked dirt scratches Zhaar.
Your hunger DISMEMBERS Zhaar!
Your torrent LACERATES Zhaar!
Zhaar stretches his hands, palms out and the blow stops short.
Zhaar blocks your attack with his shield.
Your torrent LACERATES Zhaar!
The Meat Kleefer adorned with a razor crystal adorned with a razor crystal digs into Zhaar's body.
Your wrath grazes Zhaar.
Zhaar's fire shield decimates you!
Your torrent LACERATES Zhaar!
Zhaar blocks your attack with his shield.
You spot a lucrative opportunity!
Your groin kick wounds Zhaar.
Your torrent LACERATES Zhaar!
Zhaar blocks your attack with his shield.
Your hunger misses Zhaar.
Zhaar's fire shield LACERATES you!
You feel a rush of endorphins, numbing your pain.
You parry Zhaar's attack.
You block Zhaar's attack and attempt to strike at the brief opening.
Your riposte misses Zhaar.
You parry Zhaar's attack.
You parry a light sword's slice.
Zhaar looks pretty hurt.
Rangoku: [===|=--|---|---]
Zhaar has fled!
Zhaar flies east.
===
Southern Tetsunai Road
To your west lies the great defensive stone wall of Miruvhor, while
to the east runs a long line of impressive structures of red brick. In
fact, this entire road seems to be the wealthiest part of the city. Nobles
walk to-and-fro at a very leisurely pace. The structure directly to your east,
however, is slightly different from the rest. Hanging over a large open double
door is a simple wagon wheel. From within comes the sounds of whickering
and snorting. Every so often a loud crack echoes out.
[Exits: north east south]
(Translucent) (White Aura) Zhaar the Will of Gods is here.
Zhaar yells 'Help! I am being attacked by Rangoku!'
You fire from a warforged shortbow and hit Zhaar with a few shots.
Zhaar starts glowing strangely.
A warforged shortbow's arrows MUTILATE Zhaar!
Your torrent LACERATES Zhaar!
Zhaar stretches his hands, palms out and the blow stops short.
Your torrent MUTILATES Zhaar!
You catch Zhaar looking down!
Zhaar is blinded by the dirt in his eyes!
Your kicked dirt scratches Zhaar.
Zhaar blocks your attack with his shield.
Zhaar blocks your attack with his shield.
Zhaar is shocked by the lightning from the Storm Forger adorned with crystal spike.
Your shocking bite injures Zhaar.
The Meat Kleefer adorned with a razor crystal adorned with a razor crystal digs into Zhaar's body.
Your wrath hits Zhaar.
Zhaar's fire shield LACERATES you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
Zhaar looks pretty hurt.
Rangoku: [===|---|---|---]
Zhaar stretches his hands, palms out and the blow stops short.
Zhaar stretches his hands, palms out and the blow stops short.
The Meat Kleefer adorned with a razor crystal adorned with a razor crystal digs into Zhaar's body.
Your wrath grazes Zhaar.
Zhaar's fire shield MANGLES you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
You feel a rush of endorphins, numbing your pain.
You dodge Zhaar's attack.
You parry Zhaar's attack.
A light sword's slice *** DEMOLISHES *** you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
Zhaar looks pretty hurt.
Rangoku: [==-|---|---|---]
Zhaar has fled!
Zhaar flies south.
===
Shadowy Woods
A dark and eerie trail leads through the cavernous maw of towering trees
and fearsome sounds. Glowing eyes blink deep within the shadows, following
any and all movement, in idle curiosity. The seemingly lethargic foul
creatures do not guarantee safe passage, and ghostly whispers warn you to
turn back while you still can.
[Exits: north east south]
(Translucent) (White Aura) Zhaar the Will of Gods is here.
Zhaar yells 'Help! I am being attacked by someone!'
You fire from a warforged shortbow and hit Zhaar with a couple shots.
A warforged shortbow's arrows maim Zhaar!
You execute the 'Armaggedon Smash'.
Your flame misses Zhaar.
Your flame LACERATES Zhaar!
Your hunger MUTILATES Zhaar!
You spot a lucrative opportunity!
Your groin kick injures Zhaar.
Zhaar blocks your attack with his shield.
Your flame MUTILATES Zhaar!
Zhaar has fled! WIMPY FLEE
Zhaar flies east.
===
A Dim Cave
A peculiar wind howls endlessly in this cave, shrieking its eternal howl.
Among the infinite cascade of terrifying noise creep promises of pain,
misery and perpetual suffering. The dark walls seem to crawl with shadows,
dancing and flickering throughout the stony cavern of despair. The cave is
on a continuous downward slope, leading deep into the bowels of the earth...
Or elsewhere.
[Exits: south west]
(Translucent) (White Aura) Zhaar the Will of Gods is here.
Zhaar yells 'Help! I am being attacked by Rangoku!'
You fire from a warforged shortbow and hit Zhaar with a couple shots.
A warforged shortbow's arrows devastate Zhaar!
Zhaar blocks your attack with his shield.
Zhaar blocks your attack with his shield.
Zhaar blocks your attack with his shield.
Your hunger LACERATES Zhaar!
You spot a lucrative opportunity!
Your groin kick mauls Zhaar.
Zhaar has fled! WIMPY FLEE
Zhaar flies south.
===
Southern Drawbridge of Miruvhor
Appearing newly erected, a massive drawbridge sturdily lies across a
glimmering moat. On the other side of the drawbridge is an iron portcullis
that seems to have been crafted just as recently, as it is free of rust and
tarnish. Wagons and carts containing assortments of goods are being hauled
in and out of the city here. To the south, you can make out what appears to
be the beginnings of a commonly traveled path through the forests.
[Exits: north south down]
(Translucent) (Pink Aura) (White Aura) Zhaar the Will of Gods is here.
(White Aura) An Undead Soldier is here, guarding the edge of Miruvhor.
(White Aura) An Undead Soldier is here, guarding the edge of Miruvhor.
Zhaar yells 'Help! I am being attacked by someone!'
You fire from a warforged shortbow and hit Zhaar with no shots.
A warforged shortbow's arrows miss Zhaar.
Zhaar blocks your attack with his shield.
Zhaar stretches his hands, palms out and the blow stops short.
Zhaar blocks your attack with his shield.
Your hunger MUTILATES Zhaar!
Zhaar's fire shield MUTILATES you!
Zhaar looks pretty hurt.
Rangoku: [===|===|==-|---]
Zhaar has fled!
Zhaar flies south.
===
Shadowy Woods
A dark and eerie trail leads through the cavernous maw of towering trees
and fearsome sounds. Glowing eyes blink deep within the shadows, following
any and all movement, in idle curiosity. The seemingly lethargic foul
creatures do not guarantee safe passage, and ghostly whispers warn you to
turn back while you still can.
[Exits: north east south west]
[sAVANT] |||||| The Time Vortex plays with the reality far above you.
They aren't here.
They aren't here.
Zhaar flies in.
murder zhaar
n
Zhaar yells 'Help! I am being attacked by someone!'
You fire from a warforged shortbow and hit Zhaar with a few shots.
A warforged shortbow's arrows MUTILATE Zhaar!
Zhaar has fled! WIMPY FLEE
Zhaar flies west.
===
Your poison scratches you.
Your flame LACERATES Zhaar!
You spot a lucrative opportunity!
Your groin kick mauls Zhaar.
Zhaar blocks your attack with his shield.
Your flame LACERATES Zhaar!
Zhaar blocks your attack with his shield.
The Meat Kleefer adorned with a razor crystal adorned with a razor crystal digs into Zhaar's body.
Your wrath injures Zhaar.
Zhaar's fire shield wounds you.
You feel a rush of endorphins, numbing your pain.
You parry Zhaar's attack.
Zhaar's punch mauls you.
You parry Zhaar's attack.
You parry a light sword's slice.
Zhaar has some big nasty wounds and scratches.
Rangoku: [===|==-|---|---]
Zhaar narrows his eyes.
You feel unclean.
Zhaar has some big nasty wounds and scratches.
Rangoku: [===|==-|---|---]
You execute the 'Armaggedon Smash'.
Your flame MASSACRES Zhaar!
Zhaar looks pretty hurt.
Rangoku: [===|==-|---|---]
Your poison scratches you.
You fire from a warforged shortbow and hit Zhaar with a couple shots.
A warforged shortbow's arrows maim Zhaar!
Zhaar blocks your attack with his shield.
You spot a lucrative opportunity!
Your groin kick injures Zhaar.
Zhaar has fled! WIMPY FLEE
Zhaar flies west.
Yllythyss: [===|===|===|---]
Your trip misses Jarius.
Jarius is in awful condition.
Yllythyss: [===|===|===|---]
Jarius's punch mauls you.
Jarius's hands flash holy power!
Jarius's divine power injures you.
A glowing aura of light flashes around you.
You resist Jarius's attempt to apathetize you.
Your flaming bite decimates Jarius!
Jarius has fled! WIMPY FLEE
Jarius crawls east.
The irritating part of wimpy is it makes PK automatic and not skill. Mid round fleeing is ridiculous as well.
Assuming wimpy will not be removed or changed to stop these strategies of putting your wimpy as high as you can and just fleeing all around the game while you try to land certain skills/spells, then make the flee from wimpy have a higher lag. You want instantly out of combat with an automated feature of the game? Then you can have a higher lag because of it.
Man if that's not sketch I don't know what is, and I haven't even felt the sting of a wimpy fleeing enemy lately.
You could always lag them to prevent it entirely, wait till prot shield or flight drops and it game over
espeially doing multiple lacerates per round.
Its also a part of his strategy, if you murder him while he is blinded he could take up to 8 unanswered
attacks from a dual wielding warrior. If your opponent is wimping out from the arrow shot then remove the arrows,
wimpy saves those classes without blind fighting and i dont think it should be modified.
UC
Make wimpy a perk.