Not true. I've fought and killed (this is bold but I'll say it anyway) every rank from leader on down to inductee. There's nothing too amazing about them. If they've been slightly ungimped recently' date=' I may roll one up later.[/quote']
Used properly, they offer a significant advantage. I don't feel the need to roll one up just to proove my point. Warmaster just isn't my style. However, fighting against them, it is easy to notice that they are enhanced significantly beyond a normal, uncabaled version of themself. That is all you should expect from cabal skills. They aren't there to take your PvP soaring into new heights beyond your wildest dreams. A good player with the skills will have advantages. So much is dependant on the player behind those people you have killed, as well as their class, your class, your equipment, their equipment, skill level differences...you can't use that an absolute comparision to say the warmaster cabal skills are the reason why.
Warmasters?
Never assume player skill for cabal power, BigMac. You can always find instances where you dominate a rank X of Y cabal because a less skilled player has that position, or you're in a position with a class that is made for beating theirs. But get an skilled ogre warrior that's taken serious time to master everything, and I mean everything, and put him at trusted-elder in Gladiator and you'll hear people whining every day, I promise.
The problem is rather a lack of pinned Battle members who are regularly around.
I had a pinned ranger in there for an IG two years as pinn, and two years unpinned. Not once was I promoted, I gave up on it. Made what I wanted to in the first place and was in my chosen cabal within the same amount of time.
Savant is slow to promote, and undoubtedly, so is warmaster. There is a standard in both that is true, however. If warmaster is strong and savant is struggling, promotions are abound, vice versa. I have, however noted on thing not commonly talked about. When warmasters are inducted, they are inducted in masse, not one by one. This might just be a mortal's interpretation of assuring a WM victory, but it has always seemed strange to me that they came like that.
Continuing, I was Sarodin, around the time of Senrail and all his denizens vs. Suunmar and I only. I've found ther cabal abilities are disgustingly sick. For instance, a well rared out bmg goes to half health within five rounds because of Cabal abilities. Add that to possibilities of anatomies, an we got a lot on our hands here.
Actually Savant promote about normal speed, everyone else just promotes too fast. 
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I had a pinned ranger in there for an IG two years as pinn
Isn't two years like 6 days? Are you saying you played a full 6 days as pinn (ie 144 hours) or you were in there for 6 RL days, playing a few hours a day maybe and didn't get promoted?
I had a pinned ranger in there for an IG two years as pinn' date=' and two years unpinned. Not once was I promoted, I gave up on it. Made what I wanted to in the first place and was in my chosen cabal within the same amount of time.[/quote']
I simply don't believe that you played for 2 IG years in battle clan (which, if as Marc says, is 144 hours) and didn't even get one promotion. I don't see how you wouldn't have been promoted....and anyway, isn't promotion automatic every ten hours upto the rank of V?
It often makes me laugh (I'm not talking about you here Chromatic, just in general) how people complain about not being able to get into Cabals or get promoted, simply because one thing many people fail to do is to actually take an interest in the clan and Cabal's goals. Providing you put effort into RP and PK and display an active interest in a Cabal, and are patient, you will more than likely get in. I may be wrong, but I'm sure Imms of a certain level and higher can induct members to Cabals that are ran by another Immortal should said Immortal be away.
The problem with Cabals when they go under rarely has anything to do with the Immortals running them being "inactive/away" and "not recruiting" (speech marks meant to show that often, that isn't the case) like some people say. It's usually a shift of power that some players can't deal with (going from a winning side to a losing) and there are a lot of people who don't have the guts to try and bring a Cabal back alive. Those that do have that some determination to get into the Cabal, might not have the PK ability, keep dying, and eventually lose morale, and then quit. A skilled PKer can bring a Cabal back alive.
It doesn't even take a skilled player to help get a Cabal back on their feet, IMO. If somebody, regardless of their PK ability, had the determination and willingness to learn, to be able to just keep on pluggin' through the hard times, I would bet good money on people rolling WMs to follow the wave. If you logged on and saw a WM that always quit out when Savants came on, you might not be impressed, but if everytime you logged in, you saw that one WM constantly online, constantly fighting against Savants, constantly dying and getting looted, but instead of getting phased, they were constantly looking to learn and improve, and going after Savants off their own back, I bet you'd have WM wannabes following up simply because that one WM is standing as a "beacon of hope" if you will, to many people out there who want WMs but didn't have the guts to make the first move against a strong, established Cabal.
Put simply, if you want a WM, go join battle with . Show an active interest in the goals of the clan/Cabal. Communicate with your clan, via sending notes or whatever, take up a role and get recognized within your clan, and you'll get there. The question then is, do you have the balls to stick it out?
Just my opinion anyway.
Dey
You get autopromoted in the cabal but not in the clan. Some Imms promote for different criteria than others, some only induct T, others even I, so clan rank isn't that important. If you hang in there at 50 regularly for some time, chances are high you will get in.
Well, I dunno what to tell ya, but I'm not lying...
Only time I ever fought Rompkei, he had just got to fifty I think, no cabal. I was Cyclopant, T of nexus and I thought I came to unprepared against him, so I ran hurt, came back fully prepared and still got Rompkeid. Never fought him as WM leader but I'm sure he was 10X more powerful.
Well' date=' I dunno what to tell ya, but I'm not lying...[/quote']
I think I - might - know which char you are talking about.
Usually you need to be there regularly AND do **clan quests **at least. I wouldn't give up on getting in so easily.
Im not rolling a WM, screw that... I always get the black ball when I do that...
Valione VS Nexus... Cough
Yewahntul VS Tribunal Cough
I'm tired of being on the bottom of the food chain... I'm rolling a SAVANT! lol
Dey: If someone rolls a WM, gets in and continually fights vs Savant by the time they run through half their deaths (30) they will have well and truly learned to fight the Savants (if not learned to fight, period).
Once this happens the balance of power usually shifts as you have one player who's second nature is to fight and survive in a harsh environment. From there, its all gravy :-)
L-A
Make waves, talk over clan chat, ask questions, I mean, if you really want in the cabal. Race people for the quests, always ask how you can help people in the cabal and clan.
It might take some time, but eventually you'll get noticed and maybe inducted. I don't know how each clan works, but maybe send a note to the Imm, (if you're at pinn) claiming how you're ready to take on the responsibilities. You'll either get bitchslapped or commended, but either way, you'll get noticed.
Rompkei definitely dominated the crap out of just about everyone. He really was a massive beast.
Until someone showed him the power of a bmage. Hehehehe, funny, I think.
The master of the battlemage, Mr. Deravgner. Beat with his own tool.
lol, nah, props to them both. They both are awesome players, I've learned alot from both of them.
Dey: If someone rolls a WM, gets in and continually fights vs Savant by the time they run through half their deaths (30) they will have well and truly learned to fight the Savants (if not learned to fight, period).
Once this happens the balance of power usually shifts as you have one player who's second nature is to fight and survive in a harsh environment. From there, its all gravy :-)
L-A
I don't think you can say that in half of a characters life they could go from being a sucky/moderate PKer (I am assuming here that the person getting beat down constantly is within that range) to being an icon of fear to the opposing Cabal..especially as in this case, the opposing Cabal has a particularly strong Leader that appears to strike fear into 99.9% of the playerbase.
I was in a similar situation with a previous character, where I'd be on alone with enemies about due to my UK timezone, and by the time I was at the end of my life I went from "Player who sucks, gets beat down all the time" to "Player who still sucks, often gets beat down, manages to get the odd kill against strong Cabal enemies with a bit of luck and can hold his own against the weaker cabal enemies".
Mind you, that's just me. I might just be a slow learner. 
But yeah, I do agree to some degree, that as time goes on, they will learn to at the very least, survive against the Savants, and plus they'll have more WM skills available to them to help too.
Dey
I don't think you can say that in half of a characters life they could go from being a sucky/moderate PKer (I am assuming here that the person getting beat down constantly is within that range) to being an icon of fear to the opposing Cabal..especially as in this case, the opposing Cabal has a particularly strong Leader that appears to strike fear into 99.9% of the playerbase.
Dey
OH yes they can. Anyone remember the parallel situation in 1.0? Kentry leading the warmasters? How quickly that balance of power shifted when he didn't play for, what, a week? A few new people got into Savant, myself included. First real PK character I'd ever had. Ended up having tons of forum posts whining about invokers being overpowered because of him. Trust me, it can happen.
EDIT: I realize things now are different from 1.0, this is simply meant to be an example of a similar situation.
I think I - might - know which char you are talking about.
Usually you need to be there regularly AND do **clan quests **at least. I wouldn't give up on getting in so easily.
Yeah, when I last checked, I had been promoted. Considering going back to that character and working on him so more. I understand why I haven't been promoted further. It was just disheartening not seeing anyone else who had been promoted at the time. But now that I think about it I should've thought how with effort, I could've been ahead of everyone. -stupid me, lol.