Standards

Ok, I think its far far too easy to regain your standard once its been captured. I mean their are cabaled players waiting on the way or at your home to regain it while you're still fighting their guard. I mean I thought you were supposed to defend your guard at all costs. What's the point of spending so much time trying to take it down when the player that you're fighting can regain it back within a tick even while you're trying your hardest to fight him, not all class have the offensive power to do anything about it.

All depends on your class, and who you're up against. Some classes will make it hell for other classes trying to get the standard back, and those that find it easy will find it hard against other classes. I think the way it is now. Imagine having the Defender toughened up and trying to retake your standard solo from multiple enemy Caballers.

Dey

So the question comes out..do we design this to be 1vs1 or for groups?

Not sure, but right now I just find it pointless. I see no reason to get their standard other than to impress my cabal imm and get placed in a huge pk disadvantage and to gain a temporary advantage of a tick with them not being able to use their powers.

A little more HP wouldn't hurt I suppose, or something minor. But, it still goes back to that class-vs-class point though, because the time it takes for someone to reclaim their standard is enough time for defenders (depending on their class and the class they face) to lay some beat down on them.

You're right, not all classes have the raw offensive power to be able to constantly ward off attackers, but it's another part of how the classes are balanced against each other IMO. The playing style of certain classes will mean that is harder/easier to defend standard. That it's harder/easier to go and attack the standard. That it's harder/easier to go fight .

Even if it's just a few rounds of combat for them to take it, it's a few rounds that lets you lay down some melee damage for 'free' as a melee class. That lets you get a few mals in, whilst remaining unharmed. That lets you land critical strikes, caltraps, all the rest of it. It is actually more advantageous to you in that respect because you're getting free strikes whilst they target the standard. Looking at the bigger picture, you might capture their standard, they come and take it back pretty quickly but you've weakened them a bit, or landed a mal or two. You chase back to their Cabal and then you have an advantage when you meet them there because of your previous beating on them. You kill them, full loot, take standard and this time it's going to be a lot harder to get it back.

IMO the idea of Cabal Warfare isn't for a Cabal to capture the Standard and then have it on complete lockdown. It'd mean Cabals would be without their standard for a very long time if they were up against a more powerful Cabal. As they are now, it means that players can still get their standard back, even if they're up against multiple foes in some cases.

Just my opinion anyway,

Dey

I returned Tribunal standard in the front of Messalantha. With thief. Just example how relatively easy it is. Tho, got my butt dearly kicked when tried to get trib standard back from Watchers, and ogre ranger was guarding it.

Well ogre rangers are those offensive monsters that will make it a pain in the arse to retreive a standard. Strategically they can guard the standard all day long against most classes relatively easy as long as the player behind the character is exerienced and smart enough. The cabal defenders might need some more hp, but it is alright now the way they are. You have to have a balance when it comes to cabals.

Keep in mind also that many classes can find ways to give sanctuary to the defender. Or you could get a pet to rescue the altar for two-three extra rounds. At the very least, you should be able to get either a decent amount of damage or some spells off in the time it takes to regain it.

On the other hand, I could also see them getting a tad more hp. As Orlick I often was able to regain the WM standard taking attacks from Suunmar/Sarodin, granted I did have good equipment most of the time. However, this was before you could use Member level cabal skills without a standard, so I was significantly handicapped as a gladiator.

I could go either way on this one. For melees it isn't such a problem, but for some classes its extremely difficult to take a standard. Doing so would be either a complete domination of the defender, or just that nobody tries to defend. In my mind, just waiting for it to be captured and regaining would be extremely bad RP for a caballed player.

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This is exactly my point. But its just not bad rp its unfair. Why spend ten times as much time getting a standard when they can get it back so easily and is everyone forgetting, you are weakened upon returning the standard not just from drain but from the attacker, sometimes attacking you as well. They are given this huge advantage to kill you. Many times when I do return it I need rest before I can defend it. Its kinda ridiculous for me and I'm sure my opponents who have done this to me in game can agree, its pointless. And even if I use my only skill to prevent them from getting away, I believe the standard just automatically appears back at their home if they just hide out somewhere, is this correct?

When your returning the standard you get the same bad affects as of when you capture one. Use it against them. And if they are hiding somewhere waiting for it to crumble, tell the IMM's. There was a mandate on that a long time ago. People still do it, I know. They've done it to me. But hey, look at it like this. They're scared of ya.

But the thing is people never go after my standard, I think they're seeing the pointlessness of it as well. I think I've captured my enemies standard like ten plus times already and I've had only one person go after mines just once. And this is when the ratio of cabalers is like 2-6 most of the time.

Well against some classes I wouldn't go for the standard either, i'd just rather wait and pk em. Take for instance thieves. All cabals have one way exits for at least two rooms, some cabals three or four rooms. If you can't detect or defuse traps, do you really want to just walk in there? You are required to defend your standard somehow, as well as it's your duty to regain it. But there is no rule that states "You must go obtain your enemy cabal's standard"

how to protect your standard 101: PK all enemies. repeatedly.