I think they need to not be able to use them against none cabaled charactors.
I mean it says they are added and weak enough to not be unfair, but I call that bs. It nearly forces players to join a cabal jsut to compete.
Sure, some great players can take them down without being in a cabal, butnot the average player, or even above average player. I think it stinks.
bah! it motivates players to get better
not when two cabal memebers from difrent cabals hunt one un cabaled player.
Motivates me to leave.
A complaint is something to be brought to the prayer forum, not here.
Cabal powers have actually been toned down drastically since 1.0.
My one problem (though it's not really a big one) with cabals and quest classes/races is that I get the impression that mostly it's the experienced players who get them, the elite ones. I'd like to see way more of the middle class players do so (and I'm not just saying that because I consider myself to be in the middle, heh). But I could be completely wrong.
I don't really like the idea, Part of being in a cabal means the "Hey, hes a badass." thing, I look forward to the skills when I get cabaled, makes the game just more fun.
RE: Fiere
That would be the equivalent of giving the class valedictorian honor to a C+ average student, unless I'm completely misunderstanding your post.
The whole idea is to rise above the mediocre and distinguish yourself in some fashion.
And no, not only the same people get quest races/classes and cabaled. If you polled everyone, I bet you'll find the number times they've been cabaled is directly related to time spent playing, not some mysterious "elite" status.
yeah but you don't see a valedictorian??? (wtf is that? lol) beating up on the dumb people.
Sure give it to the elite, but omg have the elite fight the other elite, not pick on some n00b!
and yes im a noob
what!?!? it's based on time played!? Why did you have me write you checks then?
We scammed you.
sigh<
I have been caballed quite a few times...and have you seen me pk?!?!?!?
Getting caballed IS based upon dedication and effort.
Being promoted within that cabal is more a matter of Pk prowess.
I didn't mean to imply that there's some sort of "elite" group of people that get all of the good stuff, so...um...yeah.
I have been caballed quite a few times...and have you seen me pk?!?!?!?
Getting caballed IS based upon dedication and effort.
Being promoted within that cabal is more a matter of Pk prowess.
Heralds? Old school Royals?
There are cabals for the PK-challenged.
My one problem (though it's not really a big one) with cabals and quest classes/races is that I get the impression that mostly it's the experienced players who get them' date=' the elite ones. I'd like to see way more of the middle class players do so (and I'm not just saying that because I consider myself to be in the middle, heh). But I could be completely wrong.[/quote']
I don't know if you played then, but the way you describe cabals now is more how it was in 1.0. In 1.0 it was all imm/leader induction. No clans, you really aimed to prove yourself to one guy and standards were high.
Don't think of things as middle, vet and elite, think of it as understanding the processes. All you have to do is figure out the processes and getting a cabal/quest is not so distant as you would think. And to figure it out, it just takes time. Keep hacking at it and you'll crack that egg.
Some things to keep in mind:
A lot of pitfalls people come up with when applying for cabals and (more in particular) quest races/classes is they either use a cliche angle ('my mother and father are dead and I want revenge!' or 'Your pain sustains me!' or 'I want blood!' or '...' or 'we are all brothers under the sun!
When you apply for a quest race/class, be the character, don't be the story. Thats probably my biggest piece of advice I can give with applications. The Imms will find out your story from you if they want it, they do have tells. I can't tell you how many apps I read as an Imm that were 'I grew up in Rheydin, I hunted in emerald forest, I mastered many skills, I plan to be great.' I have had many apps approved, oddly enough most for undead, and I usually didn't say anything about killing people, I didn't say anything about where I lived, I never say anything about what skills I mastered.
Another thing to keep in mind is that people have been at this a very long time, so odds are something you come up with isn't new. That doesn't make it a bad idea to go with, but don't think you are breaking new ground with anything you do, youre just adding your own spice to it. And for the love of god, do whatever you can not to mention your parents, it's very cliche.
Now, some people favor the long apps, I hate them. I hate writting them, and I hated reading them. I personally feel that if you get to the point quick, and get to it with a certain artistry then that speaks so much more than a two part application.
For instance, this is the app I used to apply to watcher with a Dark Knight, it was accepted.
Dreams seem to be my lot in life. My cause came from a dream, I obtained my dream of joining the Sacred Oak, I've been blessed with a dream so deep I dared never to dream it and yet it became true, I am now a disciple of Nature and Chosen of Eshaine. I have achieved more with my fourhundred and twenty one years than most beings do in a thousand, but I am not complete. I made a promise to a friend, a friend I never knew except through my dreams, but a dream I drempt nightly for eighty years. I promised to... Save her, avenge her, protect her... I know not. But I promised I would do what I could for her, a spirit of the lands, a dryad? A nymph? A lone blade of grass? What ever she may have been, she was my friend, and one I loved, love, dearly. So I ask to you, the Watchers, allow me to join your pack, for I have sacrificed much to be with you, my heritage, my family, my past, and I did it gladly. Allow me to fullfill my promise under your banners, in your name and for the good of all Nature, be it tree, shrub, grub or bug.
I am Saiful Miltiades, the Arm of Nature, Chosen of Eshaine
Notice I did mention my family, I cringed at doing so, but I felt for the flow of the sentance it was needed, not for the power of the note. Now is this an exceptional application? Nah. But it got a Dark Knight into Watcher. It hinted at a story, it wasn't my story. It's sorta like that cocaine peddlar on the corner, he gives you a little taste, but then you have to pay to get any more. 'What's this? A Drow Dark Knight fighting for grass? I must know more!' or atleast thats what I assume went on in the heads of people reading because I got a lot of roleplay out of that note. Also, an angle I find I use more often than not is the trade of power. I offer something, myself in this case, to get something for myself, the fullfillment of a promise(what promise?). And for the love of god, you need to leave some unanswered questions in an app, otherwise you have no need for imm interaction. If your app details every moment of your life when you apply, your imm interaction will be;
tell imm 'Get my note?'
Imm tells you 'Yeah... So... how about this weather we're having?'
tell imm 'Cool. Yeah, it's textualy wet out today... I suppose you have a cool umbrella?'
Imm tells you 'You'd think so, but I'm actually not aloud to make my own items yet. So I've got the same one as you.'
tell imm 'Oh, well, I think I should get back to... roleplaying. Have you heard about my fourth grade teacher?'
Imm tells you 'Yeah, chapter 2, paragraph 4. Very good inspiration, but not as much as your leper uncle, Sam. Tell me more about him, would you?'
tell imm 'Sam... reread the last section in the paragraph 'Inspirations''
Imm tells you 'Oh yeah... need some adoral for this I guess'
tell imm 'Ha! Yeah'
Anyways, you get my point. Inspire thought, make them want more, not less. That is not to say make them feel like they expected more. Be the crack peddlar!
I guess I've gotten carried away, and onto a point not really what was asked about or may not even be too helpful, but hey, I am WC, so it is to be expected. As are gross misuse/over use of commas, so bite off.
WC
I actually found that very informative and helpful, if a bit off topic :} I guess what I was thinking was along the lines of: experienced player whoops inexperienced player. Why does he need extra cabal skills to do it easier? Now, I understand there's a lot more to it than that, and honestly I don't really have a problem with this whole things, was just throwing out a random thought.
Yeah, you'll find that I just need an idea from someone elses post to get carried away on a topic. I don't usually mean it to be a direct response to that person.
WC
Maybe a few examples of Qclass/race applications would be better put to use WC. Most of the time Players just accept applications from characters without reading what was said based on their RP or PK skills rather than their writing abilities (not to say it wasn't good). Imms on the other hand read things from people day after day on different applications on wanting to become an Undead/Demon or whatever else, and usually only accept the really good ones. They don't just randomly vote yes/no on the applications like some of the players will and have done in the past. I always made sure to read through people's applications before accepting them, but a lot of people really don't.
And yeah, 1.0 was a bitch to get into a Cabal with. The only Cabal I managed to get into was Chaos and that's because Zaen accepted my application before he became that Demon Imm. It took a month before I was finally inducted though, and 3 days later, 2.0 came out along with a pwipe.
I have an app or two where I got rejected lying around. If you still want them, I'll post.
