Just my opinion, but I don't think missile shields should stop thrown weapons. Nor should that BLM stance. For the classes that do use thrown weapons they are instrumental in there success. They already have a two round lag for all that can't use them automatically. The classes that can use them automatically SHOULD be able to, that's how they're designed. That initial burst damage from murder rounds is the staple of being a rogue.
Locked Ehrendil (elf battlemage) vs Kotrag (feral ninja) round #2
Just seems a bit much to me. His AUTO throw demolishes THROUGH sanc, while the battlemages damage spell, costs mana, lags, and mangles with NO SANC.
now make the throw command itself hit that hard, but shit...auto unavoidable damage that costs them nothing but some edge prep time to pull off? Auto throw does more than a hellstream, ice storm, mind blast, etc etc
I mean look at this...
<289/1062hp 1002/1248m 194/548mv 47520tnl 7335gld M 10>
You yell 'Help! I am being attacked by Kotrag!'
A shadowy blade launcher's poisoned bite MUTILATES you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
Kotrag's poisoned bite devastates you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
Kotrag swings wildly and misses you by a mile.
Kotrag's poisoned bite maims you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
You parry Kotrag's attack.
Kotrag's form blurs with speed!
You are blinded!
Someone's strike grazes you.
You sure are BLEEDING!
You parry someone's attack.
Someone's tsuki strike injures you.
You sure are BLEEDING!
Someone throws his something and hits you with several of them.
Someone's throw *** DEMOLISHES *** you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
Ehrendil: [=--|---|---|---]
<53/1062hp 1002/1248m 194/548mv 47520tnl 7335gld M 10>
where
You parry someone's attack.
You parry someone's attack.
Someone's poisoned bite maims you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
You parry someone's attack.
Someone's tsuki strike grazes you.
You sure are BLEEDING!
Someone blocks a scythe's slice with his weapon.
Someone dodges scythe's slash.
Someone blocks a something's crush with his weapon.
Something's crush LACERATES someone!
Someone parries your attack.
Ehrendil: [=--|---|---|---]
<13/1062hp 1002/1248m 194/548mv 47520tnl 7335gld M 10>
flee
You can't see a thing!
Ehrendil: [=--|---|---|---]
<13/1062hp 1002/1248m 194/548mv 47520tnl 7335gld M 10> Something settles down and returns to you.
You flee from combat!
You can't see a thing!
Someone throws his something and hits you with a few of them.
Someone's throw MANGLES you!
You have been mortally wounded!!
You manage to completely halt your bleeding.
You are too hurt to do anything for a while.
Really! his throw does a demolish and a mangle, and he has to type in just one command to get it done. Murder. And this is through Sanctuary!
While this is the flip side Kotrag has NO sanc here...
You create a mass of metal shards and sends them hurling!
Your sharpmetal MASSACRES Kotrag!
Kotrag has quite a few wounds.
Ehrendil: [===|===|=--|---]
<594/1062hp 1145/1248m 457/548mv 47520tnl 7335gld M 6>
A shadowy blade launcher's poisoned bite misses you.
Kotrag's poisoned bite devastates you!
Kotrag's throat cut scratches you.
With a deft slice Kotrag gores your throat!
You parry Kotrag's attack.
You parry Kotrag's attack.
Kotrag's poisoned bite devastates you!
Kotrag's tsuki strike injures you.
Kotrag's blood loss scratches you.
You sure are BLEEDING!
Kotrag's asphyxiation scratches you.
Kotrag blocks a scythe's slice with his weapon.
Your scythe's slash DISMEMBERS Kotrag!
Kotrag blocks a a carpenter's hammer's crush with his weapon.
Kotrag blocks your attack with his weapon.
Kotrag has quite a few wounds.
Ehrendil: [===|===|---|---]
<513/1062hp 1145/1248m 457/548mv 47520tnl 7335gld M 6>
cast sharp
You create a mass of metal shards and sends them hurling!
Your sharpmetal MANGLES Kotrag! <--a mangle with NO sanc up on the victim.
Kotrag has quite a few wounds.
Ehrendil: [===|===|---|---]
<513/1062hp 1137/1248m 457/548mv 47520tnl 7335gld M 6>
Kotrag's poisoned bite MUTILATES you!
Kotrag swings wildly and misses you by a mile.
You parry Kotrag's attack.
Kotrag's form blurs with speed!
Kotrag's strike misses you.
You parry Kotrag's attack.
You parry Kotrag's attack.
Kotrag's tsuki strike injures you.
Kotrag's blood loss scratches you.
You sure are BLEEDING!
Kotrag's asphyxiation scratches you.
Kotrag dodges scythe's slice.
Kotrag dodges scythe's slash.
Kotrag dodges a carpenter's hammer's crush.
His weapon won't budge!
Kotrag parries your attack.
Kotrag has quite a few wounds.
Ehrendil: [===|===|---|---]
Ehrendil actually loses more Hp in this section than he takes off of Kotrag. He is lagged a round each time which means kotrag could just flee and murder anytime. If he flees he catches more damage with sanc than he can dish out with no sanc. That seems so unbalanced to me.
And he cant defend against it.
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Something tells me that other high powered melees can do the exact same thing or worse to Ehrendil. Would like to see logs if there are any out there. However I think many of us (Chesta being one of the best bmg players) included, mentioned that BMG's were kinda left behind over the years (I predicted this would happen after the ac change esp for bmgs and armorcraft saders since that's the main source of there strength). In this particular case (with fury and fire vuln negating not in the picture) I think many of us are directing the problem to the wrong source.
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I don't get why throw isn't affect by ac. It's just this unsaveable massive damage with no counter. Everything else that does that kind of damage can be countered or prepared against in some way.
The counter to autothrow is blind, btw.
Ah, the thing not everyone can do easily. Even dirt kick is hard to land these days.
We should just rename the game to roguehran:, the rogue lands and be done with it. Give thieves ninja throw and we can all have murder spam battles.
you are so misinformed I dont even know what to say about your posts wade lol
btw throw can miss, and is based on AC.
also not all edged throwing daggers/shurikens are created equal, there is some knowledge required to get the best edged stuff.
Can you show me the bit of code that proves that? Because Ive read it and didn't see any hint of what you claim
Rogues are built to be mage killers. The only class that can easily beat a good rogue is a great invoker for the simple fact that they can dish out the damage faster and prevent murder spams. I agree that the throw damage is a bit extreme but without knowing his exact gear i cant make an accurate assessment.
The facts still won't change....Battlemage are way behind the times.
@Chesta6384 so whats the rogue bane? Kotrag would outmelee me while being able to use missile shield.
I also fought kotrag with my bmage when I had around 700ac and I distinctly remember him lacerating me and his throws at least mangled me.
I found as my invoker, kotrag would just push me out of Firestorm. The class seems to have an answer for everything.
2 hours ago, Chesta6384 said:
Rogues are built to be mage killers. The only class that can easily beat a good rogue is a great invoker for the simple fact that they can dish out the damage faster and prevent murder spams. I agree that the throw damage is a bit extreme but without knowing his exact gear i cant make an accurate assessment.
The facts still won't change....Battlemage are way behind the times.
I agree.
@WadeI think you, with your patience, could go negative necro and give Kortag a fight. The acid blast will hit, the corrosion will take affect and stack. Have seen very large changes in enemy AC through this tactic. Hit and run until you see your minions stop missing. Just remember not to flee without ordering the minions to rescue first. And always keep a professional soldier, or troll with you, they dirt a lot.
1 hour ago, Wade said:
@Chesta6384 so whats the rogue bane?
The bane of rogues has always been one - high damage output classes that can lag.
Just like the one you rolled specifically to kill me.
But if you think you will achieve it by just spamming bash, like you tried to, you are very far from the truth. You are not Ashuga after all.
It saddens me when I see players like Kyzarius, who play characters with PK records of 50-1 (with their sole death being to me), try nerf the single character that manages to kill them.
It saddens me that when one cannot defeat a character in game, he must do so on the forums.
It is because of this negativity, jealousy, and contempt players like Trick don't play anymore.
It also saddens me that the IMMs allow all this to happen publicly.
Kotrag
Anonymous poster hash: 25cab...45e
I know of more than 1 person who has QUIT the game because they're tired of fighting you with every character they roll.
I'd rather have you cry about being nerfed than have multiple people quit instead.
48 minutes ago, Wade said:
I know of more than 1 person who has QUIT the game because they're tired of fighting you with every character they roll.
I'd rather have you cry about being nerfed than have multiple people quit instead.
Ok this seriously needs reigning back in. Kotrag's player has done nothing wrong by playing a strong combo - to a very high standard, using equipment made available by the staff. No Player deserves to get so much negative focus due to playing well - did we learn nothing from the Despiser debacle.
Personally I have an issue with any Feral being able to get rid of their Fire Vuln - as the race is balanced around it - but that isn't Kotrag's issue - its a staff decision to make.
There has been way to much Kotrag bashing - and its just not acceptable IMO.
Enough.
On one hand you all stamp your feet and say; why do we need rp points? Why do we slow cabal promotions? Why can't I just have it all when I want it with zero moderation.
If you seek the answer to these questions please review the obvious reasoning above.
Enjoy your time off.
I am going to make this VERY clear right now.
IF ANYONE BRINGS THIS CRAP TO THE FORUMS, THEY WILL BE ISSUED A SHORT VACATION (or not so short, for you potty mouths) . THAT WILL BE YOUR WARNING BEFORE A VERY PERMANENT VACATION.
You are all way too damn old to be acting like children over a damn game. Be adults, or move along. This goes for everyone.
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