Arath got elder vamp before I was an Imm...but, I never really noticed a difference. That being said, I wasn't the greatest for paying attention so could have just not noticed significant buffs.
Locked Why guard qrace info so closely.
Man, I remember fighting Arath with my first level 50 cabaled character, Rothgal (a duergar berserker warmaster) and getting the vampire down to big nasty. I was pleased 
This makes me want to roll a vamp.
I am certainly no stranger to the frustrations involved with a qclass/race. Be it bugs, commands that do something, but you have no fricking clue what they do, or even worse in my opinion, not knowing they exist. I do not think opening the vault on qclass/race knowledge is necessary to solve those issues though. I think once you become said qclass/race, you should have access to a database on the qclass/race that at least hints at what different commands are used for. Obviously this is true, at least to a certain extent, for all the qclass/races, but certainly could use some improvement. Having played nearly every qclass/race, and not to my surprise because it is the oldest one, vampires are the best flushed out in this regard. All the commands, (except for one, as I have learned from a previous post in this thread) are well explained in a helpfile, or at least to the extent of where you have a basis to start and explore.
As to another point previously mentioned regarding the number of a qclass/race allowed, I have not found much of an issue regarding this. This might be a more recent decision made by the imms, but I had an undead monk at the same time another person just was given undead, as a monk. Obviously this is not guaranteed to happen for every race/class, as certain ones have a greater impact than others, but it does occur.
So in summation: No, I do not think we should open up qrace/classes beyond their current limits. I do however think the helpfiles for their abilities do need to be created for those that are missing. Then just include those abilities as helpfiles to see when you type in help "that qrace/class".
By that you mean PMing someone in the FB group and asking about the quest?
If thats what you want to do then do it I guess.
If you want to spend $100 bucks on a PS3 game, get home and download the walkthrough then do that too.
Cant stop you if you want to WRECK your own experience.
The quests are not that hard. We have qclass/races running around all the time. Someone must be getting them right
If thats what you want to do then do it I guess.
Why Aulian, you are very good at assuming things.
If that is what I wanted to do, I wouldn't have failed my PSI quest, as I mentioned above.
Some of the quests are really hard though and considering you've waited a LONG period of APPROVAL, I see no reason for the existence of those quests. Having in mind the applicants are being hand picked, making someone wait 100 hours just to fail a quest, because he wanted to play fair and not ask his OOC buddies in FB is silly.
What I meant, Aulian, is that the existence of those quest encourage OOC communications.
The existence of the quest itself does not encourage OOC communications, a persons willingness to cheat to get what they want is what encourages ooc communications. For instance, I am about to start a new job myself. In order to get that job, I had to fill out a job application, along with several other people. After my potential employers screened my application, along with others, (your guys quest applications) we were called back to take an assestment test of our skills (the quest itself), I scored the best out of my testing group, and now I'm waiting on my background check to clear before I start.
Much like a job to be filled, there are many qrace applicants at a given time, sometimes for the same position. Your application gets you noticed, and gets you the chance to take the assesment. But if you can't pass it, there's more then likely another applicant waiting for the chance to take thier test, like any business or in this case, immortals -as thier characters- want the best applicant possible for the role they're trying to fill.
Unlike a job, not passing the quest doesn't mean your s.o.l. Depending on the qrace, of course, you can re-apply at a (much) later date.
But rejection is always great for character developement. You ever have relationship troubles and got piss drunk as a result of it? I have, your character -might-. Most people act differently when they're piss drunk then when they are sober. Most people regret controversial actions they might take while being drunk, once they sober up. The old adage, when one door closes another opens, is quite true.
Bimpni, to think that waiting for a job is the same like waiting for an application is just madness.Rejection is great for character development? Sure, if I am a masochist, to spent 100 hours acting like monkey for one nice bonus in a game and then to be rejected.
The existence of the quest itself does not encourage OOC communications' date=' a persons willingness to cheat to get what they want is what encourages ooc communications. For instance, I am about to start a new job myself. In order to get that job, I had to fill out a job application, along with several other people. After my potential employers screened my application, along with others, (your guys quest applications) we were called back to take an assestment test of our skills (the quest itself), I scored the best out of my testing group, and now I'm waiting on my background check to clear before I start.[/quote']
That's a very very bad example. You don't approve multiple people for Qthings. You approve one, who has been watched many hours and has been deemed worthy.
Qraces should be about RP and PK, not previous/OOC knowledge.
Bimpni' date=' to think that waiting for a job is the same like waiting for an application is just madness.Rejection is great for character development? Sure, if I am a masochist, to spent 100 hours acting like monkey for one nice bonus in a game and then to be rejected.[/quote']
Unlike general RPG's, FL is supposed to be a real interactive world where you adapt to things that happen beyond your control. I think Bimpni makes a very good comparison, if you apply for a job you really wanted and do not get it you arent going to...delete...you will carry on living and look for another job. Nightmare, basically you are saying you only did x, y and z so you could get q. That is the sort of attitude that cheapens the game and makes it feel more like a shoot em up than a living breathing fantasy world.
I don't believe waiting for 100 hours should automatically mean you get the quest race/class you're gunning for. That'd be ridiculous.
Also, where did 100 hours come from? Recently it was changed to 9 days (give or take a few) from sending your app to getting accepted/rejected. It takes less than 20 hours to get to lvl 30 and fully train, while doing that you can start getting noticed. The level 50 applicants invest more time obviously, but I think the average time to pinn and train is well under 60 hours and there is plenty of time to get noticed along the way. I see the Imms giving out all kinds of Q things to people who earned it, I really don't see anything to complain about regarding the Q system. Ironically I think the characters who would keep on going even if rejected are the ones that get approved, so they seldom have to do it.
As for the tests, I found them fun and challenging even the second time around when I had forgotten how to pass them because it had been so long.
Plus when you fail a test doesnt mean thats the end of the road.
I failed my vamp quest.. I still go vamp. Just took me 3 days longer and I had to personally impress anume.
If you want something dont give up so easily.
Some of the quests are really hard though
What I meant, Aulian, is that the existence of those quest encourage OOC communications.
I swear you said you liked hard...something about Erana...I'm sure she could code a harder quest for you.
That being said, saying the existence of those quests encourage OOC communications is like blaming the pen in your hand for your spelling mistakes. The correlation simply is not there. It's an assumed position. Just because it happens does not prove any cause and effect scenario.
If you fail, you have two options before you: Delete or continue. Personally, I would encourage continuing. Deleting or quitting simply tells me you had no true vested interest in the character if you couldn't check something off of an OOC objective list.
I don't believe waiting for 100 hours should automatically mean you get the quest race/class you're gunning for. That'd be ridiculous.
I never said that?
Hence we have denials.
Maybe I should quote people from now on. That was meant for the_nightmare.
let me put it this way, we do approve people one at a time, but I hold off on -rejecting- an application, to see if the character that I thought was the best choice for that slot, in terms of rp, (as with most qanything rp > pk) passes the test or not. If the first choice fails, I approve the second choice as soon as I find out the first failed the quest. If you get rejected soon after you submit your app, (at least by me) its for one of two reasons. 1) You did something -really- bad after submitting your app 2) Your app sucks, plain and simple. I log on at -least- once a day, more often then not, several times throughout the day, just to check on new apps/keep up with cabal events etc. I average at -least- twenty hours a week on my imm. So after all that, my point is, if you're waiting a couple of days, its usually a good thing. It means you're being considered, for whatever reason, something about your character we think is qworthy, else, you'd be rejected awfully fast.
And yea, others explained it better then I did, but if you get so into your character, and don't just delete and roll something similiar and throw a crappy app together just to get at the quest again, that you stick with it after failing your chosen quest. Guess what? I'm likely not going to have to spend -as much- time debating on whether or not so and so is going to stick to thier rp the next time I get a qapp from them. Its more spending time to get a grasp of what thier current rp is, and does it mesh with what thier going for? Will thier qapp also require a restring? Those are alot easier to decide, at least for me, then it is to decide if these people are going to continue the level of rp they've established for themselves after they get what they want or not, or just as soon as they get thier demon dk go and hit 50 and start killing lower levels with little to no rp, or just systematically make thier way through who shows up on 'who pk', again, with little to no rp that they previously demonstrated themselves capable of.
Does the time it takes suck? Yes, it does, and we try to get things approved as quickly as we can, because guess what? All of us, have been players, still -are- players, and we've all sat around waiting for previous staffers to approve our qapps. If you're wanting to play anything because of its a new way to pk, or you think you can pk more, well, you're playing half the game. And you have a good number of race/class combo's to play half the game with. If you want to play a qclass/race you need to be playing the other half the game too, plain and simple. If anything, we cater to the pk side of things too much imo as it is. If you don't want to rank something, train something, wait a week or so, and risk failing, don't do it. Likely 80 percent of the possible race/class combinations are open to you as it is.
Qthings while generally stronger, are generally much weaker to different base race/classes. Its balance. Its not necessary to have a qanything to have a pk machine. Triathix, Morchial, Grylok, Istendil, Suunmar, just to name a few, common race/classes that own (or owned, or were restrings only) Now its true they were all elders, or leaders, that I named, but you don't get L on -just- rp either.
No one forces you to submit an app. If you don't wanna wait, and risk rejection/failing, don't submit. Less work for all of us.
The existence of the quest itself does not encourage OOC communications, a persons willingness to cheat to get what they want is what encourages ooc communications. For instance, I am about to start a new job myself. In order to get that job, I had to fill out a job application, along with several other people. After my potential employers screened my application, along with others, (your guys quest applications) we were called back to take an assestment test of our skills (the quest itself), I scored the best out of my testing group, and now I'm waiting on my background check to clear before I start.
Much like a job to be filled, there are many qrace applicants at a given time, sometimes for the same position. Your application gets you noticed, and gets you the chance to take the assesment. But if you can't pass it, there's more then likely another applicant waiting for the chance to take thier test, like any business or in this case, immortals -as thier characters- want the best applicant possible for the role they're trying to fill.
Unlike a job, not passing the quest doesn't mean your s.o.l. Depending on the qrace, of course, you can re-apply at a (much) later date.
But rejection is always great for character developement. You ever have relationship troubles and got piss drunk as a result of it? I have, your character -might-. Most people act differently when they're piss drunk then when they are sober. Most people regret controversial actions they might take while being drunk, once they sober up. The old adage, when one door closes another opens, is quite true.
Guess we can go about this many ways, before I personally embarked on an interview for my current job of 7 years I approached someone I knew who had gained a position there a year before to get a feel on what would be asked in the interview. I don't believe I was cheating, just being proactive so I didn't have the interview freeze up where I had to think of examples on the spot.
This is where I'm going to lock this thread.
We do not condone cheating. We will not deconstruct the meaning of the word cheating. We will definitely not compare OOC contacts for quest information to an interview process and how to "get a leg up".