Im done again

[Crucial]

Im done playing this mud again. Im fed up with how effort is not being rewarded. Peace out guys.

[Tantangel]

What? In which sense? Effort is always rewarded even if it is in the long run. If you just put effort into a description and didn't get anything for it, maybe it wasn't as spectacular as you thought. If it's because you were RPing to get into a Cabal and someone else was chosen over you, give it a little more time. Seriously though, people need to stop saying they're out because they're fed up with not getting what they want or the likes, especially when there's no constructive criticism behind it.

[Unknown Brother]

Anyone just get a pk?

[Crucial]

Fine you want Contructive Critisism Ill give it in the most respectfull ways.

When you put in more than 100+ hours on 3 seperate characters you expect something in return on ANY game.

Pkyers are always rewarded first here, then Rpiers and hte loyalist who arent good or who arent elites are taking the backseat. PK is rewarded over everything here. Heres an example. A Dark knight plays for 30 hours he kills the most elite players ill name a few

Corinkorth Jevrax Draklor Rorrik I coudl go on anyways, he bags em all. He almost immediatly gets What cabal he wishes. When you go for demon you are asked to kill so you are rewarded for pkying. Same with all qraces qclasses Maybe not druid. heh. Anyways.

If you come here and you put in immense amount of time hoping to get a satifactory reward of some kind of compensation. You watch as the others who well, just know how to pk get what they wish. You cant help but to think about going somewhere else especially in todays gaming world.

Im not a great pkyer. Im a decent rpier (I can only atttribute to getting a tattoo in the past) BUT PK rules all here. And if you disagree thats fine. Im not just imagining all this wasted time. I like other am getting frustrated over the lack of "pat on the back"

Do you guys owe me something for playing for free?

NO

Do I think I should be rewarded just as much as the elite who pks like a monster, YES. Its about effort and effort isnt JUST pkying. Its MUCH more. IMO.

I did just get pkyed by a qrace, and a cabaled player. Does that make me mad, ofcourse. I could of done several things to get out if I was properly prepared. I wasnt. My fault. Thats not the point. It is the fuel though. I dont want to put in another 100 hours. 100 hours might not sound like alot to a few of you. but When I go to the videogame store here ain a few to get a 360 game I will be only putting in 30 hours on xbox 360 and be getting immediate gratification, its not the same as MUD, thats why Im here. But Ill have alot less grey hairs and feel alot better about my time spent. And nobody can take it away from me. (full loot)

so your a champ at pk. And your great at rp. And this guy puts in more than 10 hours a day cause he has no life. Guess who gets the short end of the stick? ALL effort isnt rewarded. Bashme if you like its the truth. Im not blinded by anger. Yet.

[HBwillie]

lol, maybe i shouldn't have full-looted.

[Tantangel]

You must be spoiled then if you're getting things consistantly at 100 hours or below because I've spent upwards of 300 hours on a character before getting anything and that was with PK and RP. Qclass killed you? ****, I don't trust that guy for the life of me as is, why would I want to get close enough to him to let him PK me? Probably had ranks on you too, but that's life in FL. Full loot? ****, be happy that that was it. Could've been worse, like him killing you 5+ times in a row and each time you get one piece of armor he still takes it from your corpse. I've never gotten gratification from games because it took me only 30 hours to complete. That's one of the reasons why I prefer RPGs over anything else because they usually dedicate at least 30 hours to the main story and if you include side quests that can rack up to 80 more hours if needed. Hell, like LA said in another thread, if you have 3 characters with over 100 hours each on them, maybe you should focus on one character and get 3 times the hours on him? You'll definitely get what you wanted then.

I don't know what to really tell you other than that's just life. Life isn't there to wake you up in the morning to smile at you and bring you good luck throughout the day. It's there to say, "Hello self, today is going to be a good day." Then you go out and find out your car wont run and you can't get to work then find out that you live in a right to work state and without some evidence that your car wouldn't run you're fired. Then life is there to say, "Hello self, sucks to be you."

[Roykagh]

I'll bite.

When you put in more than 100+ hours on 3 seperate characters you expect something in return on ANY game.

Yes, you do - it's called your own personal enjoyment.

Pkyers are always rewarded first here, then Rpiers and hte loyalist who arent good or who arent elites are taking the backseat.

Incorrect. Infact, so incorrect I could laugh. See my coming comments.

PK is rewarded over everything here. Heres an example. A Dark knight plays for 30 hours he kills the most elite players ill name a few

Corinkorth Jevrax Draklor Rorrik I coudl go on anyways, he bags em all. He almost immediatly gets What cabal he wishes.

Not if their RP is not of the minimum standard expected for a Caballed player. Caballers are expected to be involved in PK, and so an excellent PKer may be able to catch the attention of an Immortal first I admit, as you can measure PK - you cannot measure RP without observing. If the said player then lacks the standard of roleplay expected, they won't be allowed in. Somebody with poor PK ability and fantastic roleplay ability has just the same opportunities with EVERYTHING in this MUD except they may need to take a little longer to prove themselves solely through roleplay.

To summarise, roleplay minus PK ability can get you what PK ability minus roleplay cannot.

When you go for demon you are asked to kill so you are rewarded for pkying. Same with all qraces qclasses Maybe not druid. heh.

Incorrect. It is a myth that you must go out and actively hunt, and kill for a qrace, with maybe the exception of Avatar, who's entire existance is based around slaughter in the name of Irumeru - unless you are specifically asked by the Immortal. PK for other qraces/qclasses is generally to prove that you can at least look after yourself well enough to be given said qrace/qclass (and even then, they can be achievable with just superior roleplay, as has been the case in the past). You are gauged upon both PK and RP. Fantastic PK ability without RP ability = rejection. Poor PK ability with stunning, amazing roleplay = possible acceptance.

Anyways.

If you come here and you put in immense amount of time hoping to get a satifactory reward of some kind of compensation. You watch as the others who well, just know how to pk get what they wish. You cant help but to think about going somewhere else especially in todays gaming world.

If you aren't enjoying PLAYING the game, play somewhere else. Simple. You don't pay for this game. You have nothing to lose going elsewhere.

Im not a great pkyer. Im a decent rpier (I can only atttribute to getting a tattoo in the past) BUT PK rules all here. And if you disagree thats fine. Im not just imagining all this wasted time. I like other am getting frustrated over the lack of "pat on the back"

You can be the greatest PKer and RPer in the world, and not get what you want. You're forgetting the third element - your attitude as a player.

Do you guys owe me something for playing for free?

NO

Do I think I should be rewarded just as much as the elite who pks like a monster, YES. Its about effort and effort isnt JUST pkying. Its MUCH more. IMO.

Players that roleplay well (or put the effort in to try to roleplay if their roleplay ability is not the best) whilst maintaining a good attitude are rewarded if it is fitting.

Now, if that's truly how you feel about the MUD, then please feel free to spend your time playing your Xbox 360. You will be satisfied to no end.

[Crucial]

your a complete *** I was respectfull to say the least and you lied to back up your statements

Incorrect. It is a myth that you must go out and kill for a qrace, with maybe the exception of Avatar, who's entire existance is based around slaughter in the name of Irumeru. PK for other qraces/qclasses it to prove that you can at least look after yourself well enough to be given said qrace/qclass (and even then, they can be achievable with just superior roleplay, as has been the case in the past

you lie, the lich is asked to kill to no end I remember a lich having to get 15 souls (which he did in the same day asked of him) to get lich. Dont just lie to make yourself look good. And that nifty little door thing was a little less than cool.

I can beileve how full of it you are. Im getting banned for speaking up now because you had to go bashing. I never said anythign like This imm staff is lame ect you speak of attitude but look at yours when someone says they are going to leave, I might be the only one saying anything now about effort but that doesnt mean many arent thinking it. If they speak up RESPECTFULLY they get a pic of the door., GROW UP.

[Dead Voodoo Doll]

That's was a damn funny picture right there though. Fo sho.

[Roykagh]

your a complete *** I was respectfull to say the least and you lied to back up your statements

I have not lied.

you lie, the lich is asked to kill to no end I remember a lich having to get 15 souls (which he did in the same day asked of him) to get lich. Dont just lie to make yourself look good. And that nifty little door thing was a little less than cool.

I edited my post as soon as I posted, evidently after you read it - look it back up. Unless specifically asked by an Immortal, you are not required to go out and actively hunt/kill other players, with perhaps the exception of Avatar.

I can beileve how full of it you are. Im getting banned for speaking up now because you had to go bashing. I never said anythign like This imm staff is lame ect you speak of attitude but look at yours when someone says they are going to leave, I might be the only one saying anything now about effort but that doesnt mean many arent thinking it. If they speak up RESPECTFULLY they get a pic of the door., GROW UP.

Whilst I feel perfectly within my rights to leave the picture up (and still do), I removed it in the name of wanting to maintain a civil discussion. I was even going to consider an apology. Almost.

[Unknown Brother]

Well said Roykagh.

Edit: The first one more so.

[Roykagh]

I can beileve how full of it you are. Im getting banned for speaking up now because you had to go bashing. I never said anythign like This imm staff is lame ect you speak of attitude but look at yours when someone says they are going to leave' date=' I might be the only one saying anything now about effort but that doesnt mean many arent thinking it. If they speak up RESPECTFULLY they get a pic of the door., GROW UP.[/quote']

Further to my previous post, you never simply said you are going to leave. Your very first post on the thread is borderline saying that we Immortals don't know how to do our job.

If you have an issue like this that you wish to talk about, post in the Prayer Forum. The fact that you make a huge scene over your leaving, calling us out (whether unintentional or not) is a sign of disrespect in itself.

In regards to everything else you've mentioned, please see my first post.

[Crucial]

Well I dont know about any other qrace qclass but I KNW the lich islildien was asked to collect 15 souls. by a imm. Malch. And I thank you for the respect of removing the pic. If it wasnt against me I would of laughed I guess.

So whgen you said only avatar or with the exception of avatar in your first statment that was a lie. Ill call it a mistake so I dont get banned, your not a liar you were just mistaken. I refrained from bashing the imm staff cause I have respect for a few of them. It seems as if you took it personal when I said I dont see the reward from effort. Anyways. I hope this gets buried cause its already becoming a mistake to post that your leaving because of frustration. I like the community however and I have friend here so ill still like to post in the ooc if I could, respectfully anyways. Erm, and this mud isnt all bad you know. good times and bad. And yes im free to leave if I feel that this free game isnt up to par for me. I appreciate you pointing out the obvious.

[Crucial]

this is becoming a bickering argument, I did say I was leaving with the title. Im done again. Jeez.

[Mindflayer]

When you get frustrated, just leave-don't post. No one really cares, because we all come back at sometime. People here (in my opinion) respect that sometimes you have to walk away for awhile, only to come back refreshed with new RP/PK ideas. Good luck.

[Kyzarius]

On the avatar note, I can say you dont have to be good at pkill at all.

With Silviana I got Avatar AND Knight even though I could barely get one kill at pinn before getting slammed into nothing by the superior abilities, at the time, of morchial and vynycar(sp) as well as many others...heck an invoker killed me 5 times in a row. I did, however, rp constantly...recieved advice from belegriel almost and really turned things around pkill wise for every character I made later. Why did I get this? Persistence.

With Stytnlye I got into savant for a combination of reasons, one being foremost in my mind was Anithraril commenting on my persistence even when I died...raised two zombies and got pkilled again..yet instead of "breaking rp" I continued to maintain the characters persona and didnt give up. Made savant in record time. While!! With vorqwuith all I did was pkill, heck my first real pkill intensive character, had 40+ souls in my locker....but didnt rp worth a damn, he got nexus after two people got pushe din before him and never made trusted.

Lately I have had a conversation with Anume, giving a rather bold yet honest critique of some of my rp...my response? well I could have pissed fire been a jerk about the dry comments regarding "behaving like an eight year-old sometimes" but no, behaving like an adult I took adapted and hopefully improved.

Being good at rp..yes that can get you into almost anything, as well as being good at pk...because being just awesome at pkill can get you a break on your rp. The main thing though you need is an attitude and behavior that shows you are willing to make an effort at IMPROVING in both areas.

Some poeple dont quite understand it...but most of the imms spend the majority of their time watching you. They sit there, trailing behind you as you run through your daily mud activities, ESPECIALLY if your in a clan or a qrace/class app. Now, if your poor at pk..then they see this, and if your good at rp they see this as well. BUT! they also see how you react when you lose, they see how you talk to people after you die. They see a measure of how much you WANT to succeed in both RP and PK.

You want to get into cabal's? you want qclass/races? then make your character something that is not only entertaining to watch but invites interaction. That stands up for itself, and shows a persistent will to succeed in the mud. Play with that attitude, never breaking pk, and you will find many many doors open for you.

I can tell you that 100 hours is NOTHING, I invest that much time in a character lvling/rping/training/pking before I even ever reach pinn (heck silviana had 300+ hrs when she got avatar, almost 350 for knight). Maybe you should try (as was suggested I believe in another thread) focusing on one character at pinn. Log it in equip it, train it, and make it your persona in the mud...give the imms a movie, not a commercial. Also, dont "break character" when you die...not saying you have, but IF you have that is (I am quite sure) an excellent way to lose ground on any standing app or cabal.

[Malchaeius]

Since I saw my name on this post, I will respond.

* Islidien was not asked to get 15 souls. He already had more than half what was necessary for him. (8-10). So all in all, he had to get maybe 7 souls max.

* Secondly, I spent a long time watching Islildien. His actions, his behavior.

* Thirdly, he wrote a great application

* Fourth, He logged an excellent amount of hours.

So please do not try to make it seem that I based my decision just on his PK. That is putting down the effort that the character put in, and it is also insulting to what I did.

Furthermore, refer to my post "My thoughts" - it talks about playing for rewards. Your reward should be that you are having fun enjoying your character, if you are not having fun, then by all means you should pursue something that is better suited to your enjoyment.

Qraces/Qclasses have to maintain a balance of RP AND PK. However, there are exceptions of people who can cover one with the other, but not by much. However, if your character is not standing out - it is not our fault.

From my experience, I have given a lot of people opportunities to be in a cabal against my better judgment. Either I could see their PK was struggling, or their RP was not sound. In the majority of those cases, the character has either deleted due to frustration, or had to be removed because of their behavior.

Enjoy your break.

[Evangelion]

The first line of your complaint is the problem.

100+ hours on three seperate characters? That's 33 hours per character, average. I've been here for 7 years, and most classes, I can't even train and pinn in 33 hours.

If you think you're something special because you can churn out pinns like Dharg, and then expect to be rewarded for not selling them on Ebay, then you've got another thing coming.

Everyone else has been pretty respectful to you so far. I guess it's my day to be an ***.

Here's the door:

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Don't let it hit you on the way out.

[Tantangel]

I'm pretty sure he meant 100+ hours per character. Still though it's not enough a lot of the time to prove yourself unless you're absolutely spectacular which can happen from time to time for people but not always.

[Evangelion]

I'm pretty sure he meant 100+ hours per character. Still though it's not enough a lot of the time to prove yourself unless you're absolutely spectacular which can happen from time to time for people but not always.

Even so, you're absolutely right.

Taeim was at 120 hours before he even got caballed, and this was at a time when Athara was DESPERATE for Warmasters.

[Crucial]

100 hour on each of the three chars ofcourse. Gawd.

Youre a dork evang and its sad you had to jump on the band wagon, everyone looks at your post now and says it didnt need to be done. let it go little boy.

[Malchaeius]

Well this thread has run its course.