Unknown Alignments/Classes/Races

I think it would be awesome if there was more secrecy when it comes to char's...like not knowing someone's alignment (with the exception of certain qraces) needing to rp with them to find out...only by actions and word of mouth would people know. No more guild titles...just titles given by the gods and maybe, just maybe, certain quests...maybe have it where you would only know a persons race by actually seeing them in the same room. Have it where you would only know a name, since you need ranking parties and parties for obtaining wares... that way RP is more important than knowing evil/dk/avian I need this/this/this to go kill him...then you run off just looking to kill them. So much rp could open up if we saw the players char's as actual people instead of good/evil pk targets.

Languages would be a welcome addition to FL too, other than Ogre of course...

I disagree with no more titles...but yes, I agree. No more of this "who pk"

Oh three evils....dead dead dead. When maybe that evil persons RP was trying to convert to Light..

good idea. thumbs up

That'd make 'know alignment' that much more useful, too. But, we should still be able to see a race (even if we see a FG or a Drow, doesn't necessarily mean they're evil).. so yes, know alignment and RP would be awesome additions to the change.

99% of the time you see a drow or FG...you know they are evil

While the idea looks good on paper, it ignores many game mechanisms and you are not offering any way to replace them.

Titles given only by immortals? I like. But who is going to be the creative brain behind them? Who is going to face the anger of a player who doesn't like his title? Do a test yourself. Log in with a character. Lets pretend you are an immortal. Try to give each character who is currently online a title and see how easy it is. Alright, not all of them. Just the pinns. Still hard? You bet. It's a free mud, don't put that much responsibility on our staff.

What about "who group"? That is not going to work too?

What about the nice restrings we have?

Actually, it will have much more negative effect if you ask me, since evils will now have a real reason to ask goodies, "Why are you attacking me?".

The concept behind the idea is good. Doesn't mean it's perfect. To promote RP there shouldn't be a who group. You should ask around, get to know people, find out if they are at the peak of their guild, etc.

While the idea looks good on paper, it ignores many game mechanisms and you are not offering any way to replace them.

Titles given only by immortals? I like. But who is going to be the creative brain behind them? Who is going to face the anger of a player who doesn't like his title? Do a test yourself. Log in with a character. Lets pretend you are an immortal. Try to give each character who is currently online a title and see how easy it is. Alright, not all of them. Just the pinns. Still hard? You bet. It's a free mud, don't put that much responsibility on our staff.

What about "who group"? That is not going to work too?

What about the nice restrings we have?

Actually, it will have much more negative effect if you ask me, since evils will now have a real reason to ask goodies, "Why are you attacking me?".

I never said that every player would have a title, titles should be earned through char's that make a name for themselves.

The who/who group/who pk would still work...you just wouldn't know their alignments/race/class...until you met with them, in person. so restrings could show up, plus their descriptions should give something away.

The who/who group/who pk would still work...you just wouldn't know their alignments/race/class...until you met with them' date=' in person.[/quote']

You mean, with who group it will show that goods can group with evils too?

I like that...lol

You group with an evil and he goes and kills a goodie and u get damned? Well too bad, guess you should get to know people before you associate with them!

Well too bad' date=' guess you should get to know people before you associate with them![/quote']

Jesus, this is not real life, it's a game...

You should know people before you associate with them? Huh...

You mean' date=' with who group it will show that goods can group with evils too?[/quote']

Exactly, so, those pious to their Gods had best make a point to really get to know who they are hunting with...of course, there are a lot of ways of knowing what align someone is even if you allow goods and evils to group...by who they sacrifice to...what race they are...what class they are...you just have to figure things out instead of being told straight away with a who command...you would actually have to MEET THEM! :eek:

We are supposed to be famed heroes, especially at Pinn. Words of our deeds is always ahead of our actions and therefore everyone knows who you are, what you studied and probably what alignment you are.

We are supposed to be famed heroes' date=' especially at Pinn. Words of our deeds is always ahead of our actions and therefore everyone knows who you are, what you studied and probably what alignment you are.[/quote']

That just sounds like an easy excuse to pk someone you've never met or even heard about... let's just say we have... pk away... "shrug" we all have different opinions...this is mine.

That just sounds like an easy excuse to pk someone you've never met or even heard about... let's just say we have... pk away... "shrug" we all have different opinions...this is mine.

And to me this whole suggestion seems like, "I don't want to get PKed".

Have you ever had an evil tell you, "You've never met me, who do you know I walk a dark path?" THAT is OOC itself.

With this suggestion you will just give all those evils who are not RPing evils an excuse to ask this question.

shrug

What RP are you expecting a good to have with evil?

That just sounds like an easy excuse to pk someone you've never met or even heard about... let's just say we have... pk away... "shrug" we all have different opinions...this is mine.

That is NOT at all the angle I was taking. If I wan't to pk someone I've never met I'll roll and evil and do it legit. The point I am making is one that I did not invent. Ask any immortal, why are we even ON the who list and not every mob, npc, or shopkeep. BECAUSE drumroll we are ALL famous heroes! That is a simple premise which your "differing opinion" will not change.

This idea is fairly poor for games centered around the good vs evil-setting, especially one where

1] the interaction revolves heavily around this and is executed through acts of conflict - typically as the beginning and/or the end of said interaction.

2] the followers and members of good-aligned factions are under a constant, uncompromising scrutiny from their deific supervisors.

It's a good idea, found generally in games where it is a fitting mechanic - which Forsaken Lands is not.

And to me this whole suggestion seems like, "I don't want to get PKed".

Have you ever had an evil tell you, "You've never met me, who do you know I walk a dark path?" THAT is OOC itself.

With this suggestion you will just give all those evils who are not RPing evils an excuse to ask this question.

shrug

What RP are you expecting a good to have with evil?

You're completely right, whenever someone makes a suggestion to promote rp, they are obviously just trying to avoid getting pk'd...

can't believe I forgot rule #1...pk first, ask questions later...

I have been at many muds over the years before FL that had sliding scale type alignments where it would change depending on your actions. I have sometimes thought that a benefit and in ways not. I do agree with points in the Professor's post pushing for more interaction. If the number of players were much higher I would be for doing away with the who list entirely, but that would never work where we are today. Perhaps having a who bring up a simple list of names and affiliations, no race, nor titles might work....I'm not sure. I still think that all cabal members should have no choice in hiding their flag, but that is just my opinion. Or at least some sort of cabal message that an enemy from an opposing cabal has been sensed. There have been a good number of times where I never even knew some newly pinned char was in an opposing cabal until I see them attacking my guardian.

I have been at many muds over the years before FL that had sliding scale type alignments where it would change depending on your actions. I have sometimes thought that a benefit and in ways not. I do agree with points in the Professor's post pushing for more interaction. If the number of players were much higher I would be for doing away with the who list entirely' date=' but that would never work where we are today. Perhaps having a who bring up a simple list of names and affiliations, no race, nor titles might work....I'm not sure. I still think that all cabal members should have no choice in hiding their flag, but that is just my opinion. Or at least some sort of cabal message that an enemy from an opposing cabal has been sensed. There have been a good number of times where I never even knew some newly pinned char was in an opposing cabal until I see them attacking my guardian.[/quote']

I agree with you, especially about cabals, it would stand to reason that if you've been inducted by one of the prestigious orginizations of Aabahran you have made a name for yourself, which doesn't mean you ranked to 50...but you actually had some affect on the FL world and it's players.

And to me this whole suggestion seems like, "I don't want to get PKed".

Have you ever had an evil tell you, "You've never met me, who do you know I walk a dark path?" THAT is OOC itself.

With this suggestion you will just give all those evils who are not RPing evils an excuse to ask this question.

shrug

What RP are you expecting a good to have with evil?

Don't be ignorant. An evil could ask that, if he was trying to be manipulative. As it is now, all we have to base our IG answers to it is "My God says so." or else you make up a reason and kill them with your ulterior (ultimately ooc [who list]) reasons. How do you figure asking someone why they wish to kill you in game, is OUT OF CHARACTER?

I think giving evils an 'excuse' to ask this question would not be a bad thing. It gives detect good/evil purpose. Paladins can say, "Fuh Q, my God knows you are evil, and I am going to destroy you." If you're neutral, you don't have that liberty. You have to have another reason to kill someone (like it is now except the imms don't have to babysit you and judge your motives.) If you're evil, that's your reason to kill someone, again... like it is now. But that also relinquishes the information to the person and whoever they spread it to. I think the ability to deceive would be greatly increased this way. Also small factors like thief disguise... would come into play as a skill worth using.

This last quote is what makes me sad. If you want to RP, instead of moan as to why you can't, don't need to, or shouldn't.... you WILL RP. Examples...

Goodie and Evil meet in a bar and start to chat. Goodie hates drow because he's heard of their deeds. Evil hates drow because he's a duergar... and there is historically a feud between them. (This is in fantasy history, I'm aware it may or may not be FL lore - Just an example.) Goodie and Evil start talking about how drow should perish. Maybe goodie doesn't recognize evil as a duergar... could look like a dwarf... point is there are infinite possibilities.

Another example, my old Psi Kyril... he was an average elf in mannerisms for the most part, but when he got drunk, he was a big *******. He would talk about killing people (evils, but he was drunk and not much else got across) misery, dark stuff... and could be seen as evil, which would be strange coming from an elf. No reason in this state he couldn't comply with an evil... at least for a little while until his true colors showed.

I just hate the mentality that, pout pout it's too hard to RP that way, or how do you expect this to work that way...

I like the idea honestly, and I played a mud with a form very close to this. You knew nobody unless you heard their name. You would greet individuals and after you did that, THEN they'd be on a who list. I like it the way it is now, too, but I'm never against trial and error.