Cleric Hater's Got there Wish

[sarcon]

Well, it seems all of you who hated clerics finally have been rewarded. Minister is garbag. I am uncertain if they have a fiew bugs to fix out.. but basicly there is no lag at all. I decided to go test it on multiple people and didnt lag anyone.

So, if you have decent armor dont be afraid of minister it does nothing.. and yes I mean decent, dont even need to be stacked, and if you are stacked it wont even land in the first place (rarely). There is no point in even lasting longer, and draining your mind abit.. no point. Might aswell make it also drain your legs to even be affective. I would rather minister be 3 hours and kept the same. Even 1 hour and kept the same.. 10 times better then what it is now. Might aswell get rid of it.

This is the story of my life anyways.. make a doomblade, many say they are unfair then they make changes ofcourse, make my first cleric and changes are made aswell.. I am sure if I become a warrior bash will be reduced.. lol.

Anyways.. All you cleric haters enjoy.. you got your wish.

[WagesofSin]

What's the big deal. This just makes evil clerics on par with goodie clerics. Don't cry because you actually have to work for your kill, like everyone else.

[sarcon]

Crying.. far from it. I work for all my kills. 90% of my kills are without minister, that was just a bonus. As I was saying, I would rather them reduce the time instead of changing it so it is worthless.. As for good clerics.. they can bloody portal. If I could portal as an evil cleric.. or lord. There is no point in even cursing them.. Wow.. The fun that would be.. Hrm.. I might just make a good cleric now.. Hah!

[sarcon]

Or what they should do.. Is make the first 3 hours normal and the remaining ones save checks.. Now that would be logical. Or even the first 2 hours.

[TheNewGuy]

Whine, whine...

[sarcon]

Wow.. Many cleric haters indeed. Well.. Back to the Doomblade however I wont be like my last one Dagizon.. I think instead of a duegar I am going to go slith.. thats always fun.

[TheNewGuy]

make a zerk. then you can be sure they wont gimp you

[Pali]

This is the kind of complaint that deserves to be on the Prayer forum, not here. I'm certain that, as they do whenever they make other changes, the IMMs will keep watch over this and make alterations as are deemed necessary. If you want to help them in this, start logging whenever you're ministered, mark the logs as to how much lag you got, how much you had in the way of saves, etc. Don't just whine that it's now a useless skill, help them make it so that it's a) useful and not TOO useful.

[BobcatFan]

I think that sermon was overpowered in the first place though. Evil clerics have tons of tools at their disposal which is why there are one of the 2 most played classes IMO. Any character that I had that fought a cleric was almost certain to die once sermon landed. If that cleric is doing any damage to you at all, your gonna be in bad shape. Sure, you can run pretty far in a tick, but once that sermon hits, any decent chaser is on top of you landing more spells.

Just my 2 cents. Good change.

[archgold]

actually sermon is pretty fair right now....I had -35 svs in mental and it failed half the time for the lag....but even with the saving against it doesn't mean you can rest up and whatever, you still don't regen. So instead of clerics just relying on a tick timer or whatever people use to count the hours, they have to learn to chase as well. it's looking pretty good with the new change now.

[sarcon]

This is true, I am noticing that I have to utilize more skills and talants, I was just originally shocked that someone who was not that well protected didnt feel the affects. If you are well protected then by all means.. You diserve not to feel the true horror of Sermon.. But for someone 2 ranks lower then me not even that dressed.. Now that is abit off. However, had to starting chasing my foes alot more.. Reminding me of the good old Syndicate days. I say Get rid of the Lag all together then and just attack there legs.. That would be uddles of fun.. ahh and even bring on fear or terror..

[BobcatFan]

I think its a good change just for the fact that evil clerics dont even have to be so-so chasers if sermon landed.

[Pali]

The primary reason why I think it is a good thing is that evil clerics are not meant to be killing gods. They are CLERICS, for crying out loud. They've got the best defensive spells in the game outside of healers, they can heal themselves, they can defend decently against melee attacks, they've got steel wall for anti-melee and spell turning for anti-mage... they shouldn't have great offensive spells/abilities, but DECENT offensive spells/abilities, which is sated by their ability to toss out a single spell that both does aff damage and drops mals every round.

[BobcatFan]

Good point. The scariest characters for me to fight are clerics by far.

[Tantangel]

If it says anything at all, I'd rather play a Gnome Warrior facing a Vampire than anything facing an Evil Cleric. Not sure how the change went as I haven't logged on to anything really since the change went in, but at least with Vamps I know I'm dying quick and painfully, Clerics sermon was always a bitch times seventeen because the chance of survival if they managed to land anything on first path and no saves went through to stop it, if they have a rank advantage you have a hard time surviving after that unless your recall is on the other side of Aabahran, then you might be able to live and if you're cursed, teleport time and hope that you don't get killed by the MOB on the other side.

[Anume]

This change has been in the coming since Suunmar. Had not much to do with any current clerics if that makes you feel better

If you think that there is no lag whatsoever, post us the log on prayer that makes you think so.

[WagesofSin]

Heh, too bad Suunmar isn't around anymore. What took you guys so long!?

[Evangelion]

Don't know what the big fuss about Suunmar was.

*buff's nails on cloak*

[Anume]

Slay Balinor.

laugh.

[Calron]

I don't mind a change to this, but I don't think this change is the right one. This change basically hurts those who already suffer from sermon primarily even more. Sermon is very difficult to land through moderate/good svs, meaning that the person should have had plenty of time to beat up the cleric at this point. In the event that it does land, it is infrequent enough that the victim can just run away and fight a bit later.

This change makes it so that those who are likely to fail the save in the first place get punished even more by the longer duration of the spell, since they are likely to fail the save each tick. Those who have moderate saves will now not only be very difficult to land sermon on, but they also have little to worry about in the rare event that it does land.

This basically makes those who are hurting hurt more (melees), and those who have the saves even more impervious (mages). I would simply have made it so that the duration remained the same, and if the save was succeeded the lag would be 2 rounds; than it would be four rounds if the save was failed.

[Unknown Criminal]

Whats the complaint? Someone said it didnt lag and was useless now?

I was on earlier and fought a cleric, he ministered me, I fled. After him making about 6 attempts to land it he finaly did, and while running away I made a sucessful saves check 5 out of like 9 times, so it only lagged me like 4. The entire time I was ministered I couldnt regen, and anyone who knows pk knows you need to regen mid battle vs skilled opponents. Did the cleric catch me? No, minister wore off and I left. When he landed it the battle shifted totally to him, should I complain that im not regenerating because of minister? No, you never regenerated while ministered, but now the lag is just missing if you make the saves check, everyone should like this change, even clerics. Because now, when you kill someone, they cannot complain about a skill that lags them every tick on the tick with no chance in saving against it:)

UC

[Chayesh]

Whats the complaint? Someone said it didnt lag and was useless now?

I was on earlier and fought a cleric, he ministered me, I fled. After him making about 6 attempts to land it he finaly did, and while running away I made a sucessful saves check 5 out of like 9 times, so it only lagged me like 4. The entire time I was ministered I couldnt regen, and anyone who knows pk knows you need to regen mid battle vs skilled opponents. Did the cleric catch me? No, minister wore off and I left. When he landed it the battle shifted totally to him, should I complain that im not regenerating because of minister? No, you never regenerated while ministered, but now the lag is just missing if you make the saves check, everyone should like this change, even clerics. Because now, when you kill someone, they cannot complain about a skill that lags them every tick on the tick with no chance in saving against it:)

UC

Ahh, but they can, do, and will.

I love my job.

[Nightmare_from_hell]

For as long as I've played my evil cleric, Minister was rarely an end-all-be-all of a PK. Did it help, of course. Was it a game winner, no. As it has been said, there are many options open to Evil Clerics, find what they are, use them, loot the corpses. So far I haven't been able to test the changes on any chars that I never had trouble landing minister on b4, but if it really is as bad as you say it is, (though I seriously doubt that the IMPS would bring it from test port if it hadn't been tested thoroughly (sp?)), then people really will be dying to the powers of the cleric and not the "Without minister I would have owned you" argument. These days it seems to me that everyone wants everything handed to them on a silver platter and be spoon fed. A change was made, find a way around it and above all, HAVE FUN!

[corpsestomp]

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[Nightmare_from_hell]

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