Malchaeius Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 I am getting very, very, -very- tired of having to babysit people on the shout-outs forum. This will be the last warning. The forum is for SHOUT-OUTS. It is NOT for flamebaiting. It is NOT a place for you to vent about how you were wronged. It is NOT a place to put down others. It is NOT a place for subtle/veiled jabs. Considering how it has been abused in the past (i.e. the bug/trick that allowed you to find out peoples identities) as well as how it continues to be misused today, despite constant bans being handed, it is becoming more and more of a hassle than it is worth. I am not sure how to get it through to people, or if some of you even really care. However, I assure you that there -are- players who DO care, and I am becoming more and more frustrated that some of you will ruin it for the majority who do appreciate it and use it for its intended purpose. If people continue to refuse to use it for what it is intended, it will be removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewGuy Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Maybe you should start dishing out permabans. Sooner or later we should run out of immature people. Actually, after some constant flamers/whiners were banned, nobody named, things have been much, MUCH better, even though you still see a locked thread now and then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangelion Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 I'm all for the removal of this forum, and here's why: When the bugs to see who played who still existed (I'm assuming they don't anymore), the shout outs forum wasn't secure anyway. Anyone who wanted to could find out who you played. Now that the rule of character anonymity has been lifted, I see no reason to perpetuate the problem. Anyone who doesn't want their character known should be smart enough to not post in the shout out forum anyway, because anyone can find out about it. So I say that we use the General Discussion forum for shout outs, because if you want people to know who you are, that's great, shout away, and if not, keep on keeping on with your anonymity. I just fail to see the point of it anymore, with the recent rule changes. It's, as you said Malch, a lot more hassle than it's worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewGuy Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Big differance is, in the shoutouts only those who really want to know will know who you play. Post in general = everyone knows. And I can't see why the flamers wouldn't keep flaming, just doing it in general instead. I don't think removal would help. Permabans do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cephirus Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 It is difficult to say whether just permabaning everyone who decides to vent their frustrations on the shout-outs forum will be truly effective. Maybe having a place to vent that frustration will help. A separate, Flame section that anyone can vent how they have been wronged, etc. However, in this too could be problems, people like to take things out of hand, give them an inch and they want a yard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malchaeius Posted August 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 There will be no flame section as long as I am an administrator of this MUD. It was tried, and it failed miserably. Instead of allowing people to vent and feel better, it only increased the overal frustration of the entire pbase. If players want to create their own forum where they want to flame each other, I will not attempt to stop it, but this official forum is not going to approve of such actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewGuy Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 Maybe a flame section in the prayer forums. One that the imms don't need to read, it's just there to vent on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 Maybe a flame section in the prayer forums. One that the imms don't need to read' date=' it's just there to vent on.[/quote'] That is such a great idea. Make it so it can be a place where people can let some steam off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cephirus Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 That is such a great idea. Make it so it can be a place where people can let some steam off As Malch said, it was tried and only made things worse. Perhaps the only real solution for people in a situation where they feel necessary to vent, is to do so away from the computer or at least take like five or ten minutes away. I find when things are not going well for me, the best thing to do is log off, and find something else to occupy my time with. Helps you keep your head cool and hopefully you unwind and approach the game from a different direction. There is always a solution to every problem, sometimes it is hard to see when your eyes are red with bloodlust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L-A Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 If you feel the need to flame so badly simply open up word/notepad/wordpad and go nuts. You don't have to moderate your language, you don't have to worry about anything. Give it to the guy right between the eyes. When you're done, close without saving. You'll feel better and you won't get a permban from the actual forum to do it. L-A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewGuy Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 No, it was not tried the way I suggested. Maybe you don't need this. I don't either. But I want to keep the shoutouts, and people who have nowhere to bitch and whine tend to go there.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malchaeius Posted August 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 If you feel like whining / flaming, better you do it on the prayer forums than anywhere else on the open forums. (Actually, better that you do not do it at all, but you get the idea). However, we staff members may just reserve the right to flame back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-D&Der Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 If a character really bothers you, I would suggest making a hate page on the Internet about him. Oh and be sure to use your real name too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tantangel Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 Not sure how this forum works, but there's usually an easy way to create a 'flame' section that you could post in you just couldn't view it afterwards to correct it or anything and it'd only be viewable by Admin of the forum. Basically no one would ever see it unless the Admins wanted to view it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewGuy Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 Yeah, that was what I meant... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewGuy Posted August 24, 2007 Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 Nice to know that it took just over a week from this notice until we got the shoutouts locked down. And we even were spared once, even though it was said on the next offence. Too bad that so few spoil stuff for so many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tantangel Posted August 25, 2007 Report Share Posted August 25, 2007 Yes, well the warning was there to do exactly that. I don't think it really helped when you started flinging more out though, everything is easily fixed by a calm mannered style of talking, in that last thread it was just way out of hand and could've been easily settled. It's gone now for the time being though so people will just have to get used to it. I wasn't sure what the bug was to figure out who people played, but now with the repeal of people saying who they play it's not really needed either. The last post entirely was just gasoline to a fire so I don't see why people are surprised about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Twendrist Posted August 26, 2007 Report Share Posted August 26, 2007 Personally I think it is silly that it came to the need to remove the shoutouts. As for flaming, why bother? It only puts a bad taste in your mouth and doesn't do anything constructive. Why add to it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted August 27, 2007 Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 Personally I think it is silly that it came to the need to remove the shoutouts. As for flaming' date=' why bother? It only puts a bad taste in your mouth and doesn't do anything constructive. Why add to it?[/quote'] What I find funny is that the flaming in the days leading up to the shut down was all done by someone "protecting" the rules... Heck I saw at least two totally innocent shoutouts get flamed that where just vet players reaching out to newbies they might have bowled over, trying to give them a bit of encuragement, tell them their things are still there...etc etc. Just to get told they were "dic waving" or whatever. Why cant people just let the Imms mod and leave it at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonforger17 Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 Permabands dont really matter. I mean i know a guy that been permaband like one hundred times. All you do is change your ip get a new account and your back real easy to do on dial up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chayesh Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 Permabands dont really matter. I mean i know a guy that been permaband like one hundred times. All you do is change your ip get a new account and your back real easy to do on dial up. Let me assure you all that it is not nearly as easy as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Twendrist Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 So, will the shoutouts forum be opened up again eventually? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangelion Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Actually, Chayesh, it's easier than that. There are hundreds of free proxy lists on the net. It is easy to get one, and connect to the internet via it, and you are once again home free with the MUD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest emp_newb Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 so, instead of keeping a viable method of banning for some, you go ahead and tell everyone, including those that did not know, how to get past the biggest punishment the IMMS here at our wonderful piece of the internet can dish out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Twendrist Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Haha... it's like on the news when they talk about leaked information reguarding troop movements and other plans... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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