Allow Undead app from 15-50.

Alow PC who wish to be Undead to apply from 15 to 50.

I see this characters waiting at 30 for approval, when we as a Mud would benefit a lot more if they kept ranking up into the 50.

This way they would not bore to death by forcing them to stay at 30.

And the characters that failed would probably bloom into another roleplay point.

This also gives the IMMs a better view of the Characters RP.

While we are at It, lets remove the Uncabaled requirement for QClasses.

We all know that they will leave the cabal after they remort. And while they are cabaled the game is richer with better interactions.

PSI REQUIREMENTS

Classes : Necromancer, Invoker, Battlemage, Monk.

Races : Illithid, Elf, Half-Elf, Human, Gnome, Avian, Faerie

Level : 50

• MUST INCLUDE WORDS "psi application" in application subject

• Must be good or neutral aligned. Illithid is the exception

• Cannot be a member of any cabal

UNDEAD REQUIREMENTS

Classes: All

Races : Human

Level : 15-30

• MUST INCLUDE WORDS "undead application" in application subject

• Must be evil aligned

• Must be follower of powers of Death

You must send a scroll of application to Immortal, scribing of your

history, goals, and any deeds you think may help your chances to be

approved. The scroll must bear the title which includes words Undead

and application or it will not be considered. If your scroll is

approved you shall be made to know what else is required of you.

See Also: HELP UNDEAD

Well I guess we also know who is trying for Undead Cleric.

While we are at It, lets remove the Uncabaled requirement for QClasses.

We all know that they will leave the cabal after they remort. And while they are cabaled the game is richer with better interactions.

i don't agree with this part but the rest makes sense, people should not join a cabal if they plan to re-string. it takes spots for other people who plan to stay in the cabal and will make people care less about cabal matters because they are just going to re-string anyway.

I would also add that if someone re-strings at 50 they should keep their remaining number of lives not have it reset. So people don't go around throwing lives away.

I would also add that if someone re-strings at 50 they should keep their remaining number of lives not have it reset. So people don't go around throwing lives away.

No, I don't agree with that.

can you give some reasoning?

can you give some reasoning?

Longer lives = more enemies. Besides that and the fact that most qraces/classes are pk orientated and also carry a BIG red flag and good luck getting to 50 before you condie. Just ask any of the current qrace/qclass how many they had after them in comparison to before they remorted. Besides, your deaths are not reset completely.

Longer lives = more enemies. Besides that and the fact that most qraces/classes are pk orientated and also carry a BIG red flag and good luck getting to 50 before you condie. Just ask any of the current qrace/qclass how many they had after them in comparison to before they remorted. Besides' date=' your deaths are not reset completely.[/quote'] I agree, while the qclasses are given a boost to cover what may have been lost in the "waiting" period, they certainly are not "restored". A qclass can apply for more lives as I did with Jevril, but you are fooling yourself if you think that Staff is going to go approving such applications willy nilly. They aproved Jevril's at almost the last possible moment, which if I were a staff member would be common protocol, make you prove you really want to play that character. And as for throwing lives away, some could argue I was throwing my life away with Jevril every time I attacked Masokant, I knew I was not likely to win, but in Jevril's mind, he was the only one who could possibly stop the demon, so I attempted every time I was dressed, and a few times I wasn't. Dying for a cause your character believes in, is the opposite of throwing your life away, its far more like spritual preservation. JMO

And as for throwing lives away' date=' some could argue I was throwing my life away with Jevril every time I attacked Masokant, I knew I was not likely to win, but in Jevril's mind, he was the only one who could possibly stop the demon, so I attempted every time I was dressed, and a few times I wasn't. Dying for a cause your character believes in, is the opposite of throwing your life away, its far more like spritual preservation. JMO[/quote']

I agree whole-heartedly.

I agree whole-heartedly.

me as well.

I have gotten more promotions, restringed items, titles, and succesful q-apps by rushing in against insurmountable odds.

I agree as well. Sometimes you just have to be a psycho homicidal jungle cat and dive into the fray. I have had a few titled chars, with several restring items as well because of those tactics. You would also be amazed how often you can actually get a win by defying normal tactics (check anisters pk logs).

I wouldn't mind seeing this change, it might help get rid of the problems with leveling since we have such a small pbase. It's irritating to log on and see two people that you could hunt with, only to realize they're qrace wannabe's and you're SOL.

why not make all apps 15-50?

There are certain reasons why you would never want to be pinned, and get a qrace. Cannot really go into them, but suffice to say on some classes I wanted to stay at 25 to submit my undead apps.

Why not make ALL QClasses/QRaces 30? Crusader, Psi, Lich are the big ones that require 50, and Avatar is usually 50 before approval. If all these people were capped at 30 it would make for more interesting roleplay/battles between qclass applicants at that rank and cut down on there just being evil humans sitting at 30.

I would add that there must be some enourmous change so we can bring new people and the old players back.

Why not make ALL QClasses/QRaces 30? Crusader' date=' Psi, Lich are the big ones that require 50, and Avatar is usually 50 before approval. If all these people were capped at 30 it would make for more interesting roleplay/battles between qclass applicants at that rank and cut down on there just being evil humans sitting at 30.[/quote']

I like this idea more to be honest.

I never understood why you need to stay at 30 and then continue to 50 for some Qthing, and for others, not even that strong, you need to pinn, wait there, get back to rank 1 and then pinn AGAIN.

Makes no sense.

Total overhaul of class skills and spells compared to your class you were before? There is no 'qrace' that requires you to remort at 50, only some classes.

I'd rather remort at 1 then get to 50, be changed to my qclass, and find out all my skills are 1, have no pracs to or trains to count for it, and be screwed.

Total overhaul of class skills and spells compared to your class you were before? There is no 'qrace' that requires you to remort at 50, only some classes.

I'd rather remort at 1 then get to 50, be changed to my qclass, and find out all my skills are 1, have no pracs to or trains to count for it, and be screwed.

I'm not sure I understand this argument...and would point to vampires as a classic example of that practice being EXACTLY as is (and very painful for first time vamps). The thought is to keep the remorts as remorts, but have them remort at lvl 30 instead of 50.

I personally always think its lame that avatar takes so long, since you are being robbed in a way by not lvling as one.

I was posting in response, to f0xx, Ghrisnak. Not you. I just don't use the QUOTE tabs as much as I should, considering, I replied right after he made the post.

As for everything be remorted at 30? Sure, why not. But the fact still stands. DKs -> Vampires possibly have the most similar skill set from class to qclass, and it's okay to remort at 30. Same with rangers -> druids.

Crusaders, Liches & Psions? Considering the amount of classes they can be before they remort to their ultimate qclass, the skills and spells they might or might not receive will not be similar or even close to useful after remort. Dropping back to 1 (whether it be at 30 you get it, or 50) is the best possible solution.