brsingr Posted August 20, 2007 Report Share Posted August 20, 2007 First - does anyone have a killer comp? meant to play graphics intensive games? and if so, what kind of cooling do you use? I was wondering if anyone knows if it's possible to have two liquid coolers at once - one for SLI graphics cards coolers, and one for the CPU, or if I'll have to use the liquid one for the graphics card, and an air cooler one for the CPU? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMac Posted August 21, 2007 Report Share Posted August 21, 2007 Yeah, I've got a killer computer. I don't use any special cooling. My case is an Aspire X-Cruiser. It has a duct that fits over the heatsink that sucks air straight out of the case. It's overclocked, too. There's really no need for tons of extra cooling unless you're doing something dumb and unnecessary (like running a pentium processor, or overclocking your memory or GPU(s)). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted August 21, 2007 Report Share Posted August 21, 2007 The biggest and most effective improvement to cooling I have found it to ensure that you are taking away what you put in. Something that most people I know miss when designing their computer is the importance of airflow. Having all fans blowing in, or all fans blowing out of your case really creates either a heated inperfect vacumn (all out) or high pressure heat (all in, and the worst you can do). It may seem slight, but in truth having a planned method of bringing cooler air in AND removing the air once heated is very important and can increase your dissipation by at least 50%. Now your case is most likely not air-tight, but these airflow issues even if your case has large spaces to allow air to escape, can cause serious cooling problems. My Computer Here is a pic of my PC, the fans on the side and front blow in while the back and top blow out (keeps air out of your face) I run a 3.4ghz proc and vid card is high end for gaming purposes and have zero cooling issues. The air flow blowing accross the onboard heatsinks and onboard fans, which really just helps to move things out of the sinks into the open case to be pushed out the back and top. I know it sounds so simple as to be rediculous, but in truth if you havent looked at your airflow that might be why your having profound heating issues even though your using what you feel is adequeate. (oh and the case is all acrylic, my wife got it for me at christmas ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brsingr Posted August 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2007 http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=15900 http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=414 http://www.coolitsystems.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=160&Itemid=92 EDIT: this, too http://www.coolitsystems.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=140&Itemid=85 This is the case and cooling I wanna use. I will have two nVidia geforce 8800 GTX cards in SLI, and I will have 2-6 GBs of DDR2 RAM, which will be moderately overclocked ( Made for overclocking ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted August 21, 2007 Report Share Posted August 21, 2007 ahh, I thought you were designing the case architecture yourself. I am sure that the fans will come in a configuration that has some blowing in while others blow out to pull out the air thats heated by your components. heh, was under the impression you already had your PC built and didnt know how to fix an existing heat problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brsingr Posted August 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2007 I do have another one that I need to fix some heat problems with, as well as another, custom case from korea that I'll be messing with. I want water cooling because It's just as efficient, and way quieter - I dont want my comp to sound like a hurricane.... plus the one that I linked to - it's internal, no ugly box sitting next to my computer.. with that monsoon II CPU cooler, my friend overclocked his CPU to double it's original speed, and his system is still stable. He has a cheap processor running at 4 GHz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMac Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 What processor does your friend have? I'm very interested to know what kind of CPU you can overclock to twice the factory speed and have it even complete POST. Also, what operating system do you plan on running? The reason I'm asking is because most microsoft operating systems don't support more than 4GB of memory. The ones that do (to my knowledge) are: Windows Server 2003 Enterprise Edition (32GB) Windows Server 2003 Datacenter Edition (64GB) Windows Vista x64 Home Basic (8GB) Windows Vista X64 Home Premium (16GB) Windows Vista x65 Business/Ultimate/Enterprise (128GB) Those are all from memory, so they may not be 100% accurate... but I'm pretty sure they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 What processor does your friend have? I'm very interested to know what kind of CPU you can overclock to twice the factory speed and have it even complete POST. his friends, duh! Personally I always avoid overclocking...in truth it really cuts down the life time of any hardware. Not only the proc or mem stick but your MB as well. Plus a processor being overclocked does not perform nearly as well as a processor designed to run at those voltage levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMac Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 a processor being overclocked does not perform nearly as well as a processor designed to run at those voltage levels. Not true. I overclocked my proc the day I received it and built my machine and it's been running fine for two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 I geuss I should be more specific...your processor instead of working for 100 years, according to manufacturers, would only work for 50 overclocked. Of course since we havent really had processors for 50 years yet...and after like...6 months there is something better out on the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aulian Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Does someone want to tell me whats goin on in English? Im interested but have no idea what the hell anyone just said.. QUIT YOUR GIBBER JABBER FOOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMac Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Basically, a computer's processor is its brain. It's what performs all of the calculations necessary for a computer to work. Processors come in various different speeds, measured in Megahertz (MHz) or Gigahertz (GHz). Hertz is the measurement for how many calculations (also called cycles - performed by electrical-induced vibrations) a processor can perform in a second. The speeds that they're designed for aren't set in stone. You can overclock a processor (make it operate at faster than it's designed speed) by increasing the voltage to it. The only drawback to that, is with more vibration and more voltage comes more heat. Heat creates electrical resistance, and electrical resistance is your enemy. Heat can potentially destroy a processor (or anything, really), so you've got to find that happy balance between fast and safe, and you're in good shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brsingr Posted August 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 sorry, it wasn't double, I was mistaken about it's factory speed, it went from 3.6GHz to 4.3 GHz... while we're on the topic, how do you overclock RAM and GPUs> is there a universal way, or does it variate. I might be overclocking the two nVidia 8800 GTX in SLI mode.. with it's specs, (758 MB each), however, I think it'll be completely pointless. and I know I will be overclocking the RAM (it's specialized DDR2) Also, I will be running windows XP professional until DX10 games start showing up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chayesh Posted August 24, 2007 Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 Some graphics cards (like mine) had "management" software on the drivers disk included. "Management software" is nothing more than a euphimism for "overclocking utility" that allowed you to set fan speed, memory clock, and shutdown procedures if critical temp was reached. As for RAM, you really can't overclock RAM, as far as I know. It's autodetected. Perhaps you mean CPU? That's easy enough to do through CMOS on most BIOS that are installed in today's m-boards. You just raise the CPU clock speed. BTW, DX10 games are out. Check out BioShock. It's supposed to absolutely unreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMac Posted August 24, 2007 Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 As for RAM, you really can't overclock RAM, as far as I know. It's autodetected. Perhaps you mean CPU? That's easy enough to do through CMOS on most BIOS that are installed in today's m-boards. You just raise the CPU clock speed. You can overclock RAM. And yeah, overclocking the CPU and GPU are easy through most motherboard BIOSs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zrothum Posted August 24, 2007 Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 Overclocking is just voltage, essentially. You can overclock any component on a motherboard, theoretically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chayesh Posted August 24, 2007 Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 Overclocking is just voltage' date=' essentially. You can overclock any component on a motherboard, theoretically.[/quote'] Yes and no. Current speed is amperage, not voltage, but your theory is partially true. The problem with overclocking "nearly any component on the motherboard" isn't so much the theory as it is the access. I fully admit to not knowing how I would access my memory's clock, for example, to dial it up. Perhaps it's just a BIOS function I've never seen as I have an upgraded older system that still uses DDR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brsingr Posted August 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 heh, our family computer is a stock comp, still using SDRAM, and the fan is loud as hell - like an airplane taking off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brsingr Posted August 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2007 I have an intel pentium 4 processor that runs at 3.00GHz stock, but i cant seem to find an option for voltage in my bios... do i have to remove the faceplate, and physically change it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chayesh Posted August 25, 2007 Report Share Posted August 25, 2007 Does your BIOS have anything about PC Health? My option to affect it is on the right side of the menu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zionpsyfer Posted August 25, 2007 Report Share Posted August 25, 2007 Yes and no. Current speed is amperage' date=' not voltage, but your theory is partially true. The problem with overclocking "nearly any component on the motherboard" isn't so much the theory as it is the access. I fully admit to not knowing how I would access my memory's clock, for example, to dial it up. Perhaps it's just a BIOS function I've never seen as I have an upgraded older system that still uses DDR.[/quote'] Indeed, look for the clock speed for your FSB. If your bios allows it, and your ram is capable of it you are golden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chayesh Posted August 25, 2007 Report Share Posted August 25, 2007 Ah, that's why then. My older tech DDR is maxed at 333mhz which is also the max FSB for my m-board. Good thing I have a gig of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brsingr Posted August 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2007 there are no tabs, really (in the bios) - just the one screen that shows CPU and memory info, i cant change anything, other than set the CPU from normal to compatible mode(?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMac Posted August 25, 2007 Report Share Posted August 25, 2007 Then your motherboard sucks. If you have a pre-built machine (dell/hp/compaq) then your BIOS isn't going to let you overclock the machine. You've got to get a motherboard and do it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brsingr Posted August 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2007 ahh... that's what i thought. I was curious if i could overclock the family computer, it's a dell XPS 8300. I didn't think i could, but it would've been nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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