TheNewGuy Posted August 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 I proved it not correct myself, by saying I even know someone who know someone who plays it. But then again, I showed you how far between AMfootie players are here. I can't speek for the sport in all of Europe, but in Sweden it is about as big as icehockey is in China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewGuy Posted August 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 w00t, was trying to find out how many licensed players there are in Sweden, and found out... We won the Euro Champs 2005! Hey, maybe we are good, for a non-yankiee nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewGuy Posted August 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Ok, so... Sweden has 3000 licensed players. Juniors AND seniors. So Team Sweden facing the local team from a small Amercan town should be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 The american football VS Soccer thing is funny to me, especially since I played soccer here in america from age 4 - 24..played in europe too in several junior international tournaments... anyways the point being that in high school several of the football players tried out for soccer and got their butts beat...because when they are standing there with their hands on their knees exhausted after 40 min of straight play (not even a whole half) the rest of us were still just trotting along at full speed ready for the next 50 min. All my life I have had to put up with the BS inaccurate opinion that soccer players are wimps, hah..I have never seen someone who plays football come out on a soccer field and be able to do it for the full 90 minutes (and they toss lip when you twist that jersey up in your fist or knock them off the ball with a legit shoulder tackle...which is soooo ironic)...heck..I wanna see someone who has only played football make it through the first day of a tournament (thats three 90 minute games in one day for those that dont know). Whats even more ironic is it is always the football players that talk smack about the soccer players from my experience, its like they have to establish they are better...at least verbally As far as rugby is concerned, it rocks, and really is one hell of an adrenaline boosting, heart pounding, warrior-feeling-inducing sport. I havent played in a while other than some semi-organized pick up matches a few years back, but man oh man...if you wanna hit someone HARD (or learn what seeing stars really means) thats the game to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Voodoo Doll Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 hijackers ftw Man, this one always comes up, and it's always thought to be made valid with the pads/no pads argument. I played both: IMO, football > rugby as well as tougher than rugby You can make the arguement that rugby players are tougher certainly but the game itself is not tougher. Also there is not a great range of diversity on rugby teams. In football you have a lot of 6'7" 330 lb linemen who bench 520+ and 5'10" 210 lb running backs who bench 425. You've got DBs who are 5'11" to 6'1" and run sub 4.3s. Let me ask you this, who would you rather have hit you: a 275 lb DE that runs a sub 4.5 or a 230 lb rugby player who runs a 5.0? Julius Peppers or Jamie Lyon? Looking at the Kangaroos the average size is about 6'2" and just over 200 lbs. Hell, Jamie Lyon is only 6' and 210. Puhleeze. Never, ever, ever make the assumption that it's easier to be an American football player playing on the line than it is to be a Rugby player in a scrum. Never. For the pads people, it's quite simple. Helmets make the hits hurt more. Shoulder pads make the hits hurt more. I've been hit by both and in my experience it's less painful to be hit by shoulder muscle than from plastic that has no bounce or give to it. Kyzarius, level the field for a moment: If that was their first day out for soccer hell yes they're going to be winded. That's like making Marilson Gomes dos Santos run the 60m in the Olympics or Maurice Green run the NYC Marathon. Your example is from high school. Give the athletes from a professional team or even just a legit D1 school the time to adjust and you'd sing a different tune. I'm not saying soccer players are wimps, I've got a lot of friends who played, just don't knock the football players until you've gone and run shutes, hit the sleds and been bending down and bursting at full power, repeatedly. Let's also make the connection here, that IF the best athletes in the NFL, NBA and MLB gave a **** about soccer, joined the team and conditioned themselves for it, America would pwn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raargant Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Not fair to compare the athletes on the basis of who is able to 'last longer', as the dynamics of the game are different. Soccer players last longer because that is what the game requires. Football requires more muscle. To flip your example around, how many soccer players would be able to act as a linebacker in a football game before being sent off with injuries within the first couple of downs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chayesh Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 I however would like to see Europe(its countries) and other countries become involved in the NFL. Maybe even be thrown into the schedule of the NFL. Ummm....you mean like they have for the last 16 years until it closed this season due to no one giving a damn? http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d801308ec&template=without-video&confirm=true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangelion Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Lets see Sweeden put together a football(USA football) team and beat anyone of our 32 NFL teams in a exibition match. I played soccer for a long time' date=' and besides all the running around I find it to be the most boring wimpiest sport in the world. I however would like to see Europe(its countries) and other countries become involved in the NFL. Maybe even be thrown into the schedule of the NFL.[/quote'] Actually, no. Baseball is the wimpiest sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chayesh Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Actually' date=' no. Baseball is the wimpiest sport.[/quote'] Just because your Orioles got rolled for 30 runs by Texas last night is no reason to misjudge the whole sport, heretic. I'd have to say that Curling, while interesting, is definitely up above baseball on the world's wimpiest sports list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangelion Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Hah! Even Olympic diving is more masculine than baseball. What's better than having 30 million women worldwide stare at your junk while you win a gold medal? Whereas baseball is standing around... running a little... standing around... attempting to run a little, but getting caught and having to go back to standing around... more standing around... a home run, where you basically mosey your way around the bases in the quintessential celebratory showboating... more standing around... And then it all ends when some guy leans over the outfield wall, and catches what would have been the winning hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Not fair to compare the athletes on the basis of who is able to 'last longer', as the dynamics of the game are different. Soccer players last longer because that is what the game requires. Football requires more muscle. To flip your example around, how many soccer players would be able to act as a linebacker in a football game before being sent off with injuries within the first couple of downs? I really dont have anything against any football player and put in 3 years as a reciever on our HS football team since the seasons didnt overlap. Course reciever is one of the best crossover poistions for a soccer player, speed, agility and endurance being the mainstay here. Like I said, its always football players that have to make the "real man sport" comments and claim superiority all the time...most of the bias in my post was really just to show that situationally you can say any sport has its physical demands that might just wipe out someone from another sport. I will readily admit..you wont see a center striker from a soccer team playing nose-guard or center, and if his skinny *** does get out there they will make shoe leather out of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chayesh Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Hah! Even Olympic diving is more masculine than baseball. What's better than having 30 million women worldwide stare at your junk while you win a gold medal? Having all that AND actually liking women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Questioner Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Manliest Sport? Waterpolo. Nuff said. How many people can grapple, punch, kick, throw a ball, tread water, avoid getting your gonads stripped from your body, and all inside a thirty meter pool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangelion Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Hah. You win this round, Chayesh. But we can still agree that baseball is extremely unmanly, and is actually demeaning to anyone who acts masculine in any way, shape, or form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chayesh Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Hah. You win this round, Chayesh. You might want to have that permanently on your clipboard to cut and paste into other posts in the future. But we can still agree that baseball is extremely unmanly, and is actually demeaning to anyone who acts masculine in any way, shape, or form. Nope. We don't agree. If you can either throw or hit a 95 mph fastball in all your manliness, let me know. Personally, it's pretty damn manly to stand there with little to no protection and let someone hurl a speeding bullet at your ribs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iconz Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Lets see Sweeden put together a football(USA football) team and beat anyone of our 32 NFL teams in a exibition match. I dunno... i think theyd have a good chance of beating the Texans... hell, the University of Texas could beat the Texans right now... American football? Thats like ruggby but with fluffy shoulder pads and lots of rest between playes, right? Yeah, thats a real many sport. Throw in a pink purse with all those shoulderpads and it will be perfect. Clearly youve never played american football... i have... and one of my friends played both american football and rugby... by his own admission, american football is a much more painful sport... you think shoulder pads make you not feel anything... no... it just makes people have the confidence to hit you as hard as they can...unlike Rugby where most people pull their hits... Way more dangerous and physically demanding than the fat afro-sumo competitions with pads that is American football. Hey.... think you could you be a little bit more offensive? Yeah... thanks... It's called American football in the rest of the world (you know, where "soccer" is football), for a reason. You are the only ones who play it, because you're the only ones who need pillows to play rugby. So, well, there more or less ARE no Am footie players in Sweden. Though I think we actually had a kicker (whatever those do ) in NFL once upon a time... And my little brothers former teacher plays it. American football is played in Europe (or at least was) and Canada... so the U.S. isn't the only place that plays it... as to kickers... LOL... ill put it this way... Kickers and Punters are the pansiest position in american football. And usually, they are played by soccer players. At least thats how we did it in high school... since soccer and american football were not in the same season... the kickers and punters would be soccer players. Man did i hate kickers and punters... wed spend our whole practice beating on each other and doing drills... while these bastards would be on the other field practicing their kicks and trying...and failing... to hit on the cheerleaders... All my life I have had to put up with the BS inaccurate opinion that soccer players are wimps' date=' hah..I have never seen someone who plays football come out on a soccer field and be able to do it for the full 90 minutes (and they toss lip when you twist that jersey up in your fist or knock them off the ball with a legit shoulder tackle...which is soooo ironic)...heck..I wanna see someone who has only played football make it through the first day of a tournament (thats three 90 minute games in one day for those that dont know). Whats even more ironic is it is always the football players that talk smack about the soccer players from my experience, its like they have to establish they are better...at least verbally [/quote'] I wouldnt say soccer players overall are wimps....even though theres a bunch of them that are... i give props where props are due... soccer players have ALOT of stamina... but they tend not to play hurt... David Beckham anyone? Meanwhile... in American Football you are constantly playing hurt... there was a guy who played a whole season with a broken leg for the 1977 Rams. Another thing I always remembered about soccer was that it was usually played by the rich kids where i came from... the rich preppy kids who looked down on everyone else... so maybe that is another reason i had issues w/ the sport. I dunno... im not even an American citizen... so its not that i have this USA bias because "American football is our sport"... i played it... i also played soccer growing up. My thing is that i tend not to watch sports unless they are big games (playoffs, championships, etc)... and the biggest soccer games only come around once every four years... so... Anyway... to end my post with a bit of humor.... click this link: __________________ Iconz - Pities all you foos! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chayesh Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 "Flawless victory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 "Flawless victory." "Iconz opinion LACERATES you." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewGuy Posted August 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 American football is played in Europe (or at least was) and Canada Like I said earlier, Sweden have just 3000 active players, juniors included. And we won the European champs a couple of years ago, so the other countries can't be far ahead. So, yes, there ARE European players. I bet there are even African iceskaters to find, if you look hard enough. My thing is that i tend not to watch sports unless they are big games (playoffs, championships, etc)... and the biggest soccer games only come around once every four years... so... I recommend the Champions League. Many players would rather win it than the world championships. After the groupstage, there are ONLY big games in that tournament. And you could watch the European Championships, it's almost as big as the WC, and there are only 3 non-European nations that has won the WC ever anyway. Except for Brazil and Argetina, all of the best national teams comes from Europe. There are some Derbys that are good too, spec Real Madrid - Barcelona. So there are good games to watch every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewGuy Posted August 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 By the way, someone said something about injured players, and that they play in your football, but not ours. Well, I don't know about your rules, but ours makes playing while injured very unbenefitial. You can only sub 3 players in a whole game. The rest of the players MUST be fit to run for 90 minutes. A coach will want to use his 3 subs for tactical changes, players who are doing poorly for the day, and injuries that you just can't keep playing with. That means, if an injured player is to start a game, there ought to be a damn good reason for it. Also, an injured player have to be damn good to outpreform a non-injured one. Either that, or the the non-injured is really poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Voodoo Doll Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Nice post Iconz. Here's a nifty little read. He came off the snap and started upfield, the linebacker dead in his sights. Brian DeMarco -- 6-foot-7 and ripped at 320 pounds; the rare pulling guard who could run like hell and bench press 500 -- led his tailback, Corey Dillon, into the hole. DeMarco, with a full head of steam, was set to bury the linebacker, put a helmet between his numbers, and plant him, when someone tripped Dillon from behind. Dillon fell crosswise on the back of DeMarco's legs, pinning his knees to the turf. In slo-mo DeMarco was falling forward himself when the linebacker lowered his helmet and drove through DeMarco, knocking his chest downfield as his hips went upfield, practically cleaving him in two. "I heard the pop in my back as I was going down and just felt this pain like I'd never felt before," says DeMarco, who had recently signed with the Cincinnati Bengals after four solid years with the Jacksonville Jaguars. "I'm at the bottom of the pile under a thousand pounds of guys, and I'm thinking, I'm never getting up. I'll never walk again." In the grand scheme of things, he'd been hit harder: shots that broke ribs and left them slapped on sideways; head-to-head collisions that knocked him senseless and smashed the orbital bone around his eyes; blows that sheared knees and turned elbows inside out. None of those, however, had managed to shove his spine forward on his pelvis and shave off bits of vertebrae like ice chips. Here was terror: DeMarco couldn't work his legs, and the pain between his hips sawed him in half. They got him to the sideline, where the trainer and his staff laid DeMarco on the bench and tested his legs. He wasn't, in fact, paralyzed, though he couldn't sit up. And so the doctor stepped in and did what doctors have done since the banzai days of Vince Lombardi. He produced a four-inch needle, hiked the player's jersey up, and injected him several times with lidocaine. The numbness set in, DeMarco got to his feet, and, minutes after breaking off bits of spine, reentered the game. He was 27; in a few months he would be out of the sport, a young man with an old man's body. Rest of it is here Pain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewGuy Posted August 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 "He was 27; in a few months he would be out of the sport, a young man with an old man's body." I don't know if this happened for real or not, but this quote is the WHY it is damn blasted zero intelligence at all stupidity to play when you are injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EyeSeeU Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Thanks for backing me up Iconz. When its all said and done and your team needs you in the NFL unless you can't walk your gonna play. This game is the ultimate team sport, and by far one of the most exciting to watch at all times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EyeSeeU Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 You might want to have that permanently on your clipboard to cut and paste into other posts in the future. Nope. We don't agree. If you can either throw or hit a 95 mph fastball in all your manliness, let me know. Personally, it's pretty damn manly to stand there with little to no protection and let someone hurl a speeding bullet at your ribs. Yeah baseball is not wimpy by far, just for the fact that they play 162 games, and they play them usually back to back to back to back. Aaron Rowand is my hero if anyone ever called him a wimp I would say watch his highlight reel of catching baseballs in the outfield, tell him hes a wimp when he stares straight at the wall running at full speed knowing hes going to faceplant into it and still catches the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted August 24, 2007 Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 Playing while injured is just darwin at work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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