Evangelion Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 Everyone make sure you wear some article of pink or purple clothing tomorrow. Even if you're not LGBT, it doesn't hurt to support people who are. We live in a society with far too much hatred and prejudice, and something so simple as wearing pink or purple clothing could make a difference in someone's day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zrothum Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfdude Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 **** I have a purple y-shirt i'll wear it tommorow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warmongrel Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 i'll wear my pink thong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewGuy Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 Did I miss something?:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangelion Posted October 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 October 11th is National Coming Out Day in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 Quite honestly, I don't have anything that is either pink or purple. But my skin tends to be fairly pinkish anyways... that count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinicky Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 No offense, but that's not something I will support. The fact that we even have a National Coming Out Day strikes me as wrong. And so you don't take this the wrong way, I am in no way hateful or prejudiced. A number of very close friends of mine are LGBT. I've chilled with them at gay bars. However, they also know that while I love them to death, I don't approve of their lifestyle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangelion Posted October 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 I would love to hear why you don't approve. It would certainly make for an interesting forum topic, if it can be kept flame free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zrothum Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 wtf is LGBT? Last gay battle testimony? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raargant Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 I'm not quite sure that homosexuality is considered a lifestyle choice, unless you consider heterosexuality to be a lifestyle choice as well. LGBT=Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinicky Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 In response to Bali and to Raargant: There are several reasons why I both disapprove and consider it a lifestyle choice. The same-gender attraction does not bother me so much. However, the choice to ACT upon it does. It seems that the gay culture is incredibly centered on sex. I believe that sex outside of marriage is wrong, regardless of gender. Therefore, a homosexual lifestyle (which I define as actively engaging in sexual activity with a member of the same gender), is sexual activity beyond the confines of marriage, and therefore also wrong. That said, let me also toss on an addendum. I believe that we all do/have done things we believe are wrong. If we were to be honest, all of us could list something within the past week, day, maybe even hour that we have done which violates what we believe as right. It may be small, it may not. But my point is this: until I am at a point where I never make any actions or speak any words that violate what I believe to be right, I can pass no judgment on other people violating what I believe to be right. I try to live that out. But that does not mean I have to agree with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangelion Posted October 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 Actually, that's a common misconception about the gay community. A lot of gay people are looking for a loving partner, to spend the rest of their life and, in a lot of cases, even start a family with. The fact that a lot of people see the gay community as gay bars, internet hook-up sites, etc. is because that's all they see of it. There are a lot of gay people that lead normal lives and have normal relationships - therefore, much like everything else that is considered normal, they do not receive any attention. All the attention is focused on the more... risque? aspects of the lifestyle. After all, straight people go to strip clubs, and bars, and dance clubs. It's just the fact that there are men seeking men and women seeking women withing gay bars and gay clubs that attracts people's attention. I actually had a really interesting argument the other day, in my Political Science class. We were discussing genocide, and in doing so, we had to distinguish between race and ethnicity. Well, I raised the question: "Does homosexuality meet the qualifications for an ethnicity?", and actually stumped my professor. Depending on which (academic) definition of ethnicity you look at, homosexuality does in fact qualify as an ethnicity. It has a shared culture, a shared history, and to a degree, a shared territory. So my biggest point in the longwindedness is that homosexuals are not, by definition, leading promiscuous lifestyles. That is merely, and quite unfortunately, the aspect that gets publicized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raargant Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 It seems that the gay culture is incredibly centered on sex. I believe that sex outside of marriage is wrong' date=' regardless of gender. Therefore, a homosexual lifestyle (which I define as actively engaging in sexual activity with a member of the same gender), is sexual activity beyond the confines of marriage, and therefore also wrong.[/quote'] Actually, I think American popular culture as a whole is incredibly centered on sex. If you disapprove of sexual activity beyond the confines of marriage, incidentally, there are going to be a loooot of people whom you will have to disapprove of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinicky Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 I didn't say promiscuity. I have a buddy of mine who has been with his partner for something like 30 years. But they still have sex - and its the sexuality that I think is wrong. If a person is attracted to the same gender, but does not act on it - I have no problems. But in every conversation I have ever had, the progression starts something like this: They are dating girls. That doesn't quite do it. They sleep with the girls. Still not enough. It continues to escalate until they suddenly realise that they are not getting anything from a sexual relationship with a woman, so they turn to their own gender - and realize that this was where their attraction has been all along. Now, do I believe that they were born gay? Possibly. I think that has yet to be completely determined, but it is seemingly becoming more and more apparent that the genetics play a large part, although not necessarily the entirety. However, I do not believe that it is natural, nor were we initially created that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinicky Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 Actually, I think American popular culture as a whole is incredibly centered on sex. If you disapprove of sexual activity beyond the confines of marriage, incidentally, there are going to be a loooot of people whom you will have to disapprove of. Yes, Raargant, you are correct. Included in that, is myself. My wife was not the first one I was with. Do I think that my being with other women was good and right? No. But that also ties back to what I said before - until I can fully live up to my epitome of what I believe to be good and right, I can in NO WAY judge another. It is NOT the people I disapprove of. It is some of the choices we, as human beings, make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raargant Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 Yes, Raargant, you are correct. Included in that, is myself. My wife was not the first one I was with. Do I think that my being with other women was good and right? No. But that also ties back to what I said before - until I can fully live up to my epitome of what I believe to be good and right, I can in NO WAY judge another. It is NOT the people I disapprove of. It is some of the choices we, as human beings, make. Good enough for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 In my country Homosexuals are not allowed to give blood. The explanation someone told me is that according to a statistic 50% of them have multiple partners, so the risk is greater. State says that now it has been found most HIV transmission is male/female, but the law remains the same (and probably will for many years, due to inertia). Personally i could not careless. GLHT do not mess with me, nor do i encounter many of them. Strangely a (straight) friend of mine has been harrased on several occasions... Evangelion how do GLHT constitute famely in US ? In here they are blocked from adopting. So they must father/mother the child with a diferent sex person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangelion Posted October 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 Lol. Raargant edited his post before I could reply. But the question he asked was: "How do you expect them to discover their sexuality without sex being involved?" This is actually a really big point. I think that sexual orientation is the wrong term to describe homosexuality and heterosexuality. A person can have an emotional and even physical attraction without wanting to get in the other person's pants. There really is a problem in general with the way humanity addresses the whole issue of homosexuality. Stereotypes, misunderstandings, and ignorance all contribute to the problem, and that's part of what National Coming Out day is about. Eliminating ignorance and stereotypes, in order to provide people a safe environment to live in, where they can be comfortable being themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 By the way why do you guys have this concept that people should only have sex after married ? WRONG!!! "I am catholic and I do not share the same view, nor i condone condoms." CORRECT!!! I am a catholic and I do not share the same view. Sex pre marriage is ok by me. Condoms are ok by me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangelion Posted October 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 In my country Homosexuals are not allowed to give blood. The explanation someone told me is that according to a statistic 50% of them have multiple partners, so the risk is greater. State says that now it has been found most HIV transmission is male/female, but the law remains the same (and probably will for many years, due to inertia). Personally i could not careless. GLHT do not mess with me, nor do i encounter many of them. Strangely a (straight) friend of mine has been harrased on several occasions... Evangelion how do GLHT constitute famely in US ? In here they are blocked from adopting. So they must father/mother the child with a diferent sex person. Well, actually homosexuals cannot give blood in the United States either, which is a highly controversial issue right now. And statistically speaking, African-American and Latina women are significantly more at risk of contracting HIV than homosexuals. As far as LGBT families... I'm actually not very clear on this myself. I believe that homosexual couples, civil unions, and spouses (in states that allow gay marriage) are permitted to adopt, but I could be wrong. There is also the possibility of artificial insemination (for females) and arranged surrogacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinicky Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 Well, Bali, I do have to say that my impressions are not based on media or streotypes. They are based on the relationships that I share with a number of people who are gay, and the conversations like these that we have. In fact, two nights ago I was chatting it up with a buddy of mine who was gay, and we were discussing much of the same things. Oddly, he takes the view that gay people are NOT born gay, but are "made" gay by their environment - ie., no father figure, no mother figure, bad relationship with a g/f, etc. This just struck me as odd because every discussion I have had with a homosexual individual has ALWAYS been the opposite. Anyhow, my point is that this is coming from the mouth of real people in the gay community, not a media spin I have bought into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinicky Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 Homosexual couples HAVE adopted, but th eprocess is very, very, VERY difficult. Largely because, as Bali noted, they are rarely acknowledged as married - and therefore are not considered a stable home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangelion Posted October 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 Well, I'd have to agree to disagree with your friend on that point. I certainly respect his right to have an opinion, even though I think it's the wrong one. I'd be quite the hypocrite, if I didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The End Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 Well' date=' actually homosexuals cannot give blood in the United States either, which is a highly controversial issue right now. And statistically speaking, African-American and Latina women are significantly more at risk of contracting HIV than homosexuals.[/quote'] Incorrect. Homosexuals can give blood, they can NOT give blood if they have sex with another man. The reason being that in the 90's the aids numbers jumped increadably fast because of bi-sexual men giving it to men not thinking they could get it. Awareness was a lot less than what it is now. Why is it still in place? The same reason you can't get a tattoo within a year of giving blood. The unknown. People are still unsure of how rapidly the symptoms occur when transmitted from one man to another, instead of vaginaly. Lesbians can give blood without problems, just men. Don't agree with it, but it is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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