A little break

[Guest emp_newb]

Im gone for a bit guys, it has been blatantly shoved into my face that this game is divided almost in half, there are people who want to enjoy an immersive multiplayer experience, and people who play the game like it is hack and slash, If I wanted to play hack and slash I would roll power combos, or play baldurs gate. Not pointing fingers, I just notice that I can identify who plays someone by how they act alot of the time, and that should not happen in an rp environment, you need to evaluate your ideas if your (ONLY AN EXAMPLE NOT MEANT AS A POINTED FINGER) Elf Sigil BMG has the same temperment as your FG zerk barb. I love the game, and have been playing for about six years now. It sucks but this is not a singleplayer game, people need to not play like it is, Unless of course you are attempting to roleplay out a lonewolf, which if it is good rp it works, but the Im gonna kill you because I can rp, it just does not work, even charles manson had an angle.

[BobcatFan]

You talk about Rp and how not many people have it and use an example of an Elf Sigil BMG and a FG zerk barb being played similarly. Can it not be rp for the elf to play in a similar style. ;ljkasdfg;jasdgo;ijadsgo;jasdgoijdsgiojadgoijasdg I get sooooo tired of looking at people complain and bitch about what goes on in game. Its appearant you suffered a death on your character... get over it, go get some eq, and if you can find it in your rp to kill, go for it. If its not in your rp to kill someone that is attacking you or to defend yourself etc... then you should not get mad ooc that you are taking deaths. You must know that this is just as much of a pk mud as an rp mud. just because rp is enforced, does not mean that it should neccacarily take presedence over the pk aspect. If it was rp only, we could talk instead of killing things to rank. This mud is driven by killing things to gain power and gain rank, eq, etc. Therefore, suck it up if you die. We have all been killed and taken deahts from times that sucks.

It is very annoying when people complain about getting pked. Think a player is going against his established rp by killing you? Rp it with the character. I warn you though, you will find it very hard to convince the other person that them killing you was against their rp. Hell!!!!! THEY MADE THE CHARACTER!!!! It is completely within someones bounds to change the character at will. I am not the same person I was 10 years ago, why should my character stay the same!!!!!!

[The Forsaken]

There is an agressor sub cabal and a non agressor sub cabal to Knight and Nexus. Sigil are supposed to be the wise ones, and help 'ferret out' the evil, not actively hunt it down and destroy it like their counterparts the Praetorians. Same thing goes with Pandemonium. They are supposed to cause strife, play mind games, and pretty much just lie and piss people off. Then the Reavers are supposed to be out slaughtering the innocent and such.

Personally, I've had the same views as you and think that the sub cabals should be watched closer. Then again, some sub cabals are made for certain classes. Sigil is made for caster class, and Pandemonium as well. So are we saying that all casters have to be passive aggressive? Are we saying you have to gimp yourself by taking a sub-cabal that doesn't offer you as many perks? No, because we can't. It's a game, and it needs to be played to the fullest. However, if an elf battlemage as you said is in Sigil and running around clearing their pk range of evils while there's a paladin Praetorian sitting around, then there's defiantly something wrong there RP wise.

[Izlimak]

Oh come on...you should know that everyone wants to have the ultimate badass killing machine roleplay. Even the gnome bards.

[The Forsaken]

You must know that this is just as much of a pk mud as an rp mud. just because rp is enforced' date=' does not mean that it should neccacarily take presedence over the pk aspect.[/quote']

RP should ALWAYS take precedence over the pk aspect of the game.

Hell!!!!! THEY MADE THE CHARACTER!!!! It is completely within someones bounds to change the character at will. I am not the same person I was 10 years ago' date=' why should my character stay the same!!!!!![/quote']

Exactally, if a Sigil Bmage is changing then let it change. Into a Praetorian.

[Aeva]

after being away for a couple years, i have noticed that there is a lot less creativity in the rp now (at least from what i see), and a lot more of the standard (and very tired, old) "i am awesome and better than everyone, i pk you now" rp.

no my char didnt die, no i am not bitter about anything, just observing o.0 pk is fun, but even a little bit of creativity thrown in makes for much, much more fun.

[Guest emp_newb]

Ok, this is not about a damn death, jesus christ I played elf warriors dying is def on my skill set. Im just saying that I get tired of playing the with the same types of chars, different race/class/cabals. There are people trying VERY hard to rp and I ****ing respect that, but do not jump down my throat because you are reading between the lines where there is nothing to read. I said its not about a damn death, and its not. I am taking a break because I want the game to evolve a bit more before I return, things to shift out a little.

[Kyzarius]

I hear ya emp, just remember this when I post my next "quitting" thread :eek:

[Guest emp_newb]

Its cool, this is honestly not a pk thread, this is just I want to take a break because the current players I am always interacting with are rubbing me the wrong way, thats it.

[Guest emp_newb]

You talk about Rp and how not many people have it and use an example of an Elf Sigil BMG and a FG zerk barb being played similarly. Can it not be rp for the elf to play in a similar style.

And no, I did not say not many people have it, read my post. And no An FG zerk barb should NOT be anything like an elf Sigil Bmg. Why was Rorrik turned Praet? For being *drumroll* TO AGGRESSIVE.

['tarako]

'you didnt complain last night...

[Kinicky]

I have to agree with emp here. I love the PK element - and I generally choose characters that are less reliant on equipment so that a death does not bother me as much.

However, it seems that almost everyone has nothing more than variations of 'I'm good, so I must therefore attack all evils.' or 'I'm evil, so I must kill everything.' The reasons may differ, but it seems that everyone is basically the same.

Granted, there are some unique RP chars out there - I had a great chat with a Siren the other day. Odd things was, it was a good align char chatting with an evil align char, and guess what - THEY DIDN'T ATTACK EACHOTHER.

I'm not saying that PK is not a HUGE part of this game, but it should not be the principal part. PK should enhance RP. Anymore, it seems that people are creating a paper-thin RP just to mask a reason to PK. The richness of this environment has diminished drastically, and we all need to take a look at why.

[HBwillie]

And no' date=' I did not say not many people have it, read my post. And no An FG zerk barb should NOT be anything like an elf Sigil Bmg. Why was Rorrik turned Praet? For being *drumroll* TO AGGRESSIVE.[/quote']

Right on. The only problem was, and this isn't a knock on my former cabal mates, but I felt it was my responsibility as Elder to be the first to defend. I also moved to take the Standard or against the Nexus characters before other Knights because it seemed as if the Praetorians always had an excuse, save Chomba, who I believe had a very slow internet connection at the time? Right, Tant? Anyway, I guess I'm just trying to defend myself, but I did RP. I fought like a madman, but I did RP. So much fighting though, that I earned myself a subcabal change. And because Rorrik was pissed in game, he left Knight and went at evil on his own. Wasn't as fun without vengeance

[HBwillie]

Oh and newb, bud, you do play power combos

[The Wayward Knight]

RP has degenerated considerably, I think was the point of this thread.

[Kinicky]

RP has degenerated considerably' date=' I think was the point of this thread.[/quote']

Agreed. So how do we fix it?

[kahlos]

Emp- roll a power combo that has at least 250 PKs and less than 10 deaths and then tell us this.

It's unfair to bag RP after PK only guys (I know I'm more on that side of the scale). Some play this game for that reason only. Some do not have the time to log on just to stir up RP (we can do that with our wives/girlfriends )

Does that mean that they aren't allowed to play anymore? They can get better at RP yes, but to be an awesome RPer IS NOT a requirement of this MUD- meaning you won't get banned if you aren't a Despiser type of RPer. Yes you have to have RP, and I believe everyone does and the Imms will enforce it.

There are a lot of RP only MUDs out there. Heck I even know a married couple who met in one.

The other solution I have to this is.. DELETE IMs. DELETE THEM.

I deleted mine AGEEEES ago and I have 0 negative things to say about this MUD. Why? Coz no one else can tell me how to enjoy it. Still won't work? Then you're doing the right thing. Lot's of other things to do out there.

Anyways.. all the best man and hope to see you soon.

[kahlos]

Agreed. So how do we fix it?

I believe only the Imms can genuinely fix it. Why? It's VERY hard for players to start RP plots WITHOUT using OOC means. Imms can go OOC all the time and can plan plots/endings/twists and then keep a very close eye on the participants. Things like the fall of Val Miran.. all Imm work. It's very difficult to interest others if PK is not involved... unless it is forced on you. You can RP all you want, but you can't make others RP as a mortal- see Carnival. That's just how it is.

But seriously, RPG should seriously be renamed to PKG. IMVHO, a solid RPer who can't back it up with PK is uber boring. You need to have the PK skills to get noticed by the majority. PK is the better RP IMO. You don't even have to say anything. (I know a lot will argue, but there are 2 sides to this always.)

Example: I look at Triathix / Kyatha and I don't even need them to tell me who they are, their plans, their beliefs- before tearing my character a new one. Their fame in PK makes me fear them and want to know them better- to RP with them. While guys like Faulch and the Heralds are awesome, but I seriously can't be bothered to strike up a convo with them unless they start it.

[Tantangel]

Right on. The only problem was' date=' and this isn't a knock on my former cabal mates, but I felt it was my responsibility as Elder to be the first to defend. I also moved to take the Standard or against the Nexus characters before other Knights because it seemed as if the Praetorians always had an excuse, save Chomba, who I believe had a very slow internet connection at the time? Right, Tant? Anyway, I guess I'm just trying to defend myself, but I did RP. I fought like a madman, but I did RP. So much fighting though, that I earned myself a subcabal change. And because Rorrik was pissed in game, he left Knight and went at evil on his own. Wasn't as fun without vengeance [/quote']

I have DSL but my connection blows if anyone uses another computer in the house because they usually drain the bandwidth down to null by downloading **** or going to high demand websites. About the only time I play with a decently clear connection is in the middle of the night. That and I was the only Praetorian for a long while there and suddenly more people joined all wanting to be Praetorian.

[Questioner]

While guys like Faulch and the Heralds are awesome' date=' but I seriously can't be bothered to strike up a convo with them unless they start it.[/quote']

It isn't up to them to strike coversation. It is up to you. What effort you put into the plot makes the plot. Faulch has done a lot to stir things up. All the Heralds in fact have done a lot of work. Props.

[CruelEdict]

That sums it up rather well. The IMMs are among the biggest motivations in the game, from plots they create to enabling characters to live up to big claims and big dreams. I think RP has diminished to an all-time low and I mean no offense by that guys, but what was the last really memorable RP? The last two? Do they live up to the global events of old? I don't think so. A lot of them have become very exclusive and keep non-50s out of the loop. Yes, notes are a good way of getting people into the fray, but lets be honest with ourselves here. Not a lot of people read the notes, not a lot of pre-50s are interacted with almost at all unless they force the conversation and even then they are usually ignored (I have actually gone out with lowbies to prove this, to a degree, so it is not unfounded).

What I think we need is a game overhaul. The code and areas and all that are solid. The game is mostly balanced, with a few trends that always come and go with the nature of PK in the game (toning up and down of skills, etc). What we need is to revitalize the RP element. The recent idea of an Aabahran Wiki would help, as would the website being updated. The IMMs, for all their hard work, haven't put as much into the RP element as some of the older staffs have (and I mean this in a constructive way, guys, so don't get upset).

If we were to all contribute to the Wiki, making the folklore of the game based on its past and establishing timelines, histories, lore, and all that, the game could take on a much needed dimension. The Clan system should be overhauled, I think, as well as making more dynamic cabals (and allow players the chance to make their own clans and cabals, to reflect the changes in the realm). I think the IMMs, if they worked more closely with the players, would make a game that had that same draw as 1.0 and early 2.0 had. Big plots, major game-altering events that drew in everyone from rank 1 to rank 50.

Voting only gets us so far, but a stagnant game will not draw in new players (nor will the focus on PK that has overtaken the balance we used to have). It is up to us as players to make a lot of these changes. The staff will help, because they love this game too. I think a lot could be done to make this place what it once was and better.

Sorry if I got up on a soapbox, but I love this game and have played it for a long, long time now and want to see it succeed and get back up to those numbers and quality of RP it used to boast.

I believe only the Imms can genuinely fix it. Why? It's VERY hard for players to start RP plots WITHOUT using OOC means. Imms can go OOC all the time and can plan plots/endings/twists and then keep a very close eye on the participants. Things like the fall of Val Miran.. all Imm work. It's very difficult to interest others if PK is not involved... unless it is forced on you. You can RP all you want, but you can't make others RP as a mortal- see Carnival. That's just how it is.

But seriously, RPG should seriously be renamed to PKG. IMVHO, a solid RPer who can't back it up with PK is uber boring. You need to have the PK skills to get noticed by the majority. PK is the better RP IMO. You don't even have to say anything. (I know a lot will argue, but there are 2 sides to this always.)

Example: I look at Triathix / Kyatha and I don't even need them to tell me who they are, their plans, their beliefs- before tearing my character a new one. Their fame in PK makes me fear them and want to know them better- to RP with them. While guys like Faulch and the Heralds are awesome, but I seriously can't be bothered to strike up a convo with them unless they start it.

[Guest emp_newb]

I never wanted to ever insinuate the rp was down at all, it just seems the same type of rp is ever present anymore, hell today I saw some absolutey great roleplay all around byrsypherus (props to ALL who did this with class today) Their are extremely solid roleplayers right now, and there are very talented PKers, I just felt that I myself needed to distance myself from the mud so Im not sucked into the pk aspect, I like to fight, but I like to be my characters too.

HBwillie: Never ever tried to make that out to you did not rp, you did the entire time, and did it well, you where Rorrik 100%. Rorrik was a powerful char, Im glad he existed. The last char I played that was remotely powerful was Krondrin/Vasraema, I quit playing Vas because it turned into constant PK, it was just how we had to operate, and I did not like that much, and playing the same thing back to back is a bit boring as well.

[kahlos]

Cool. Krondrin was good.

[tassinvegeta]

Odd i'm noticing alot more strong and interesting rp out there. Guys like Waraz, Byrsypherus, Wyslign, Gahnlr, Atsul, Drayson, Tnaris, Fisllantus, Aeaola, Masokant, Felhara, Florita, Torav really spark my interest and are yet only a handful who whom have great rp in my opinion. When I was a noob back in early 2.0 the big guys would just stomp me out instead of talking to me. Now it seems to be alot different than what I remember. People USUALLY make an attempt to rp and talk to you first. These are just my own personal views that I've encountered from playing all these yrs up until now.

[CruelEdict]

The 50 range should be full of good RP, but the MUD as a whole, I feel, isn't what it used to be. That is just based on my experiances as of late.

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