"That's why I kill people": A Retiree's Thoughts on Counterstrike-RP, FL, and more

[Questioner]

...be nice f0xx. This is a public forum.

[Neewie]

a huge problem is the extremely poor website (the link to the forum is not even right) (the extremely weird forum activation procedure), combined with the fact you are not allowed to ask any questions which would actually help you not to get steamrolled in game. (find out in game - yes thats much fun when you are eaten by a syndicate vampire in one bite).

[KRins]

Neewie you are in the second stage of becoming an FL whipping boy (Twinblades has moved up so there is a slot next to me). It is called the DAMN coping method.

D-Denial = There's no way...that was a fluke when that vamp ate my face

A-Anger = THIS IS BS! EVERYONE IS AGAINST ME!

M-Mentorship = You basically spam PMs to one of the esteemed vets until you crash the forum.

N-Noobhood = Welcome...you are officially an FL whipping boy like me, unfortunately you can still beat me in a PK by just giving your keyboard a sharp glare.

Everyone takes their lumps, hopefully you can learn from them...unlike me who actually loses and then somehow gets even worse. Roll a goodie (yeah I know...who wants to RP the pansy? Pretty much me...and ummm...me?), it is a LOT easier to get someone to walk you down the paths you may or may not need to go.

[Pali]

(find out in game - yes thats much fun when you are eaten by a syndicate vampire in one bite).

Heh... I remember being multikilled by cabal leaders pre-50 without a word when I first started...

[English lad]

KRins rocks

Neewie you are in the second stage of becoming an FL whipping boy (Twinblades has moved up so there is a slot next to me). It is called the DAMN coping method.

D-Denial = There's no way...that was a fluke when that vamp ate my face

A-Anger = THIS IS BS! EVERYONE IS AGAINST ME!

M-Mentorship = You basically spam PMs to one of the esteemed vets until you crash the forum.

N-Noobhood = Welcome...you are officially an FL whipping boy like me, unfortunately you can still beat me in a PK by just giving your keyboard a sharp glare.

Everyone takes their lumps, hopefully you can learn from them...unlike me who actually loses and then somehow gets even worse. Roll a goodie (yeah I know...who wants to RP the pansy? Pretty much me...and ummm...me?), it is a LOT easier to get someone to walk you down the paths you may or may not need to go.

This is pretty good advice, and is actually what most of us went through if we weren't 1.0 vets. Whilst i would in no way consider myself a vet, I have played a few 50s and a few caballed characters, and I'm happy to give tips via PM if you want Neewie. Having a unplayable east african internet connection for the next 6 months seems i want really be playing, but I am on the forum. As regards a Syndicate Vamp killing you? Well TBH a syndicate vampire should roll over you, its one of the toughest combos in the game, played by one of the most skilled Pkers in FL history. The point is that this game isn't supposed to be easy straight away - if it was, none of us would still be here years later. Its supposed to take that amount of time and dedication.

[L-A]

a huge problem is the extremely poor website (the link to the forum is not even right) (the extremely weird forum activation procedure)' date=' combined with the fact you are not allowed to ask any questions which would actually help you not to get steamrolled in game. (find out in game - yes thats much fun when you are eaten by a syndicate vampire in one bite).[/quote']

Well, I'l make you a deal:

1) I'll give you a shopping list of eq and locations for vs that vamp.

2) I'll give you the class to play.

3) I'll give you the strategy.

4) I'll tell you the skills you'll face and how to counter-act them.

and here's the kicker.....

5) That vampire/veteran player is still going to put his foot so far up your @$$ the water on his knee is going to quench the thirst in the back of your throat!!!

The only way you get to win battles is by getting better - and not everything can just be as simple as 'I know the eq and what do do, fait acompli that my PK record is +1 after this....'

Even with all the knowledge you'll lose to any vet because of their greater experience - heaven help you when you face a vet who is in mid-stride of a powerful character that other vets are having to put on their 'game face' to stand up to.

Honest to Virigoth every post like reminds me of Sheldon on Big Bang who learnt to swim on the floor and actually thought he'd learnt something.

L-A

PS - in case you missed it: Forcing you to learn things by yourself makes you work it out so when you have to face off vets you have the tools to learn how to beat them. Its a direct real life realisation of the 'teach a man to fish' line. Of course, while you're learning to 'fish' you're going to be set on fire....

[Imoutgoodbye]

not everything can just be as simple as 'I know the eq and what do

Listen to the man. I'm living proof that just because you KNOW what to do....

I've been killed by almost everything....never fought a demon though.....I've got the tactics. It's just whether or not my head's screwed on straight. By tactics, I mean, I could probably survive if i wasn't so intent on trying to finish the PK.

[Dead Voodoo Doll]

Sheldon on Big Bang who learnt to swim on the floor and actually thought he'd learnt something.

Sheldon FTW

[mya]

And even when you know what to do and are experienced the fact is that there is a lot of things going on that must be second nature.

If you stop playing a class for a certain amount of time, your skill with that class will drop.

Example. I used to play Paladins. Then i stopped and played other stuff.

Then one day i decided to play my paladin and faced some big shot Battlemage (not hard for paladins).

The casted Sear, and blinded me. I proceded to ran around like a chicken waiting for the blind to pass because i had no gyvel.

The thing is, Paladins have Cure Blindness at 5 mana cost. But i could not remember in the intensity of PK because... i had lost some feel of the class.

If you want tips, PM people. They will give them. Don't expect field manuals, but some help will pour down to you.

Here is a free tip. Unless you are a Giant warrior you will have little chance vs a experienced Vampire as a newbie. Even less if its an elite like Messalanta or Uhril.

Vampires have a diferent trick in the book to screw each class.

Best combo vs Vampire is a Mino Warrior wielding a Vuln Staff, or a High Average Rare one. Make yourself invisible to him, by not being in the same area or by other means and strike by surprise. Make sure it is day, you have sanctuary and he does not. Surprise charge him, eat enlarge and bash.

He will flee for puting up sanctuary. Lead with charge and Bash lock him.

Be the aggressor not the victim, only Communers (Paladins/Clerics/Healers/Shamans) can be prepared at all times. And thus enjoy the glory of letting others initiate PK.

[Neewie]

well I think all of your answers are the reason why this mud does not get many new players.

you put success in this game making new players dependant on an extremely steep learning curve in pk - i mean why is this stuff secret, isnt it an RP encorced mud? you force me to have a steep learning curve and frankly it makes this game for the VERY few. I think its a little sad that there cant be forum activity and posts educating players in doing a little better so they dont get steamrolled. i ask an extreme amount of questions in game (youll know when I write who I am when I condie soon), but sometimes im alone online, or i can have weeks when only fighting philly, and thats when I come to the forum and ask. I dont want people on aim /msn, thats why I ask here. And I think its a little stupid that your reply is, find out in game (in other words - add people on aim - because im asking here when I there is a think I dont want/cant find out in game)

[Kyzarius]

well I think all of your answers are the reason why this mud does not get many new players.

you put success in this game making new players dependant on an extremely steep learning curve in pk - i mean why is this stuff secret, isnt it an RP encorced mud? you force me to have a steep learning curve and frankly it makes this game for the VERY few. I think its a little sad that there cant be forum activity and posts educating players in doing a little better so they dont get steamrolled. i ask an extreme amount of questions in game (youll know when I write who I am when I condie soon), but sometimes im alone online, or i can have weeks when only fighting philly, and thats when I come to the forum and ask. I dont want people on aim /msn, thats why I ask here. And I think its a little stupid that your reply is, find out in game (in other words - add people on aim - because im asking here when I there is a think I dont want/cant find out in game)

roll adventurer, roll moderate pk

both options were added to allow poeple ot learn things IN GAME with less pressure.

you can find things out in game you just have to look/ explore/ read

Until you do these things, even if every little nook and cranny of the game was ruined with some kind of walkthrough, you would still die horribly in pk. It takes practice and experience to improve. People might be bale to tell you what rare to find but noone can teach you how to go from east gate to south abby in 2 seconds.

not divulging every little items location and what it does in some comprehensive walkthrough merely preserves the games integrity.

[Imoutgoodbye]

well I think all of your answers are the reason why this mud does not get many new players.

you put success in this game making new players dependant on an extremely steep learning curve in pk - i mean why is this stuff secret, isnt it an RP encorced mud? you force me to have a steep learning curve and frankly it makes this game for the VERY few. I think its a little sad that there cant be forum activity and posts educating players in doing a little better so they dont get steamrolled. i ask an extreme amount of questions in game (youll know when I write who I am when I condie soon), but sometimes im alone online, or i can have weeks when only fighting philly, and thats when I come to the forum and ask. I dont want people on aim /msn, thats why I ask here. And I think its a little stupid that your reply is, find out in game (in other words - add people on aim - because im asking here when I there is a think I dont want/cant find out in game)

*shrug* If you want the freakin' walk through for the game, I'm sure there are jerks out there who will give it to you. I don't agree with it and I hate it and I wish you would stop being so stubbornly negative about it.

Is it a steep learning curve? Not so much anymore if you use the moderate system. Learning the in's and out's of this game take time. If you want to be truly great, you'll put your time in. Play the Ruthless tier and you'll have Philly cheese steak all over your face every time you unghost. Why? That's what she does. I'll lay down money you're a Trib.

Someone great put a lot of time into making this game. The IMMs put in a lot of time making sure the spirit of this game is passed on.

I don't care how many people don't like it. I'm incredibly happy with it and I get my butt kicked day in and day out.

EDIT: Late post...Kyzarius beat me to it....time for bed.

EDIT2: Try a Healer...enjoy some RP.

[f0xx]

well I think all of your answers are the reason why this mud does not get many new players.

you put success in this game making new players dependant on an extremely steep learning curve in pk - i mean why is this stuff secret, isnt it an RP encorced mud? you force me to have a steep learning curve and frankly it makes this game for the VERY few. I think its a little sad that there cant be forum activity and posts educating players in doing a little better so they dont get steamrolled. i ask an extreme amount of questions in game (youll know when I write who I am when I condie soon), but sometimes im alone online, or i can have weeks when only fighting philly, and thats when I come to the forum and ask. I dont want people on aim /msn, thats why I ask here. And I think its a little stupid that your reply is, find out in game (in other words - add people on aim - because im asking here when I there is a think I dont want/cant find out in game)

Now neewie, I know who you play. I've personally given you **A LOT** of advices in-game. You either refuse to use them, question their effectiveness or simply use a different excuse, that I've simply given up giving you advices.

You use Philly as a rule, when she is not a rule. She is an exception, played by a player who has been around for 10+ years, a VERY strong Qclass which holds an Elder spot in a cabal specifically made with the sole purpose to KILL.

Do you really think you are the only player who has died against her? Look at Dey's Scholin? That vampire has walked over anyone and the only characters who stand a chance against her at the moment are Turnus and Faye. So please, I really don't want to shoot you down, but do not use Philly as example.

Also, I am aware that your race/class combo is a weird one, but your current cabal position compensates a lot for that. Yes, you would have done better with another race, but for that you can blame only yourself.

[Pali]

i mean why is this stuff secret' date=' isnt it an RP encorced mud?[/quote']

You're missing the basic point L-A tried to make - this stuff being secret is NOT what causes the learning curve. As L-A said, I could give you a list of all the eq in the game, all of the effects of that eq, I could give you strategy guides for nearly every class that explain the ways to fight every other class... but it won't make a difference. You will still get floored by vets, because fighting in this game is NOT about knowing the numbers and following formulas - it's about quick thinking and adaptation, about instinct, and most importantly about experience. You can't learn these things by reading eq lists - you can ONLY learn them by playing the game. And that is a huge part of why you have to learn things like eq locations in game as well... to encourage you to learn through experience, not through studying eq lists and strategy guides, because experience is the ONLY way you can get through that curve.

[alldaymuddin]

you can ONLY learn by playing the game. And that is because experience is the ONLY way you can get through that curve.

This is serious! This is the truth and the only truth! Lately I have ran through a few characters faster then normal but that things I learned with each improved my skill drastically. ALLDAY will be a legend someday!

This quote was slightly altered.

And will be used for sometime.

[Neewie]

Now neewie, I know who you play. I've personally given you **A LOT** of advices in-game. You either refuse to use them, question their effectiveness or simply use a different excuse, that I've simply given up giving you advices.

You use Philly as a rule, when she is not a rule. She is an exception, played by a player who has been around for 10+ years, a VERY strong Qclass which holds an Elder spot in a cabal specifically made with the sole purpose to KILL.

Do you really think you are the only player who has died against her? Look at Dey's Scholin? That vampire has walked over anyone and the only characters who stand a chance against her at the moment are Turnus and Faye. So please, I really don't want to shoot you down, but do not use Philly as example.

Also, I am aware that your race/class combo is a weird one, but your current cabal position compensates a lot for that. Yes, you would have done better with another race, but for that you can blame only yourself.

if you play the one i think you do, I really do use your advice, there are just some rp and religion issues that does that I cant be THAT grateful

[mya]

You use Philly as a rule' date=' when she is not a rule. She is an exception, played by a player who has been around for 10+ years, a VERY strong Qclass which holds an Elder spot in a cabal specifically made with the sole purpose to KILL.[/quote']

To take this down a notch. Philly is player is very experienced but not the end all in Vamp experience. Although it always appeared to me that it was not his first experience with Vampires and he shows quite some xp in them (female, things i saw during ranking). I have yet to see him use some of the tactics i have seen others use.

Or in other words.

Make no mistake. The players is good, but not god.

For me it goes:

Messalanta >> Uhril > Valadar ~ Philly

There were others, but i never had much interaction with them.

By the way:

Vampires are overpowered. TM

[f0xx]

Vampires are overpowered. TM

Word

[Imoutgoodbye]

Pffft....invoker vs. dispelled vampire....FLY YOU FREAKIN' UNDEAD THING!

Yeah, nothing like a good dispel from an invoker with a fully charged staff to send a vampire runnin'....ah, the good old days....

[mya]

Good luck landing that.

I have fought Vampires wish so many saves that you cannot pass saves with Ray/Dispel Evil.

When you land the Dispel he will just flee and Put it up, or smoke one in battle.

Dispel is no longer the end all that used to be. Especially since Mana charge only affecting AFF spells change.

[Twinblades713]

When you land the Dispel he will just flee and Put it up, or smoke one in battle.

Fail.

[f0xx]

She is right actually.

[Twinblades713]

She is right actually.

That's weird. However it's one of those things I can't say here, and it seems to breach the consistent RP. Oh well. My fail.

[Deykari]

That's weird. However it's one of those things I can't say here' date=' and it seems to breach the consistent RP. Oh well. My fail.[/quote']

Actually, in what you're thinking, you're right.

Dey

[Twinblades713]

NAH HA! I knew I was right. Dey>f0xx

This calls for celebration.