Grappler Posted February 24, 2008 Report Share Posted February 24, 2008 Would it make sense to put extra trains into mana? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangelion Posted February 24, 2008 Report Share Posted February 24, 2008 No. All of your trains should go to health. And as many practices as you can spare to turn into trains, and still have enough to practice cabal skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deykari Posted February 24, 2008 Report Share Posted February 24, 2008 Unless you wanted to roleplay that you were the fastest Halfling Blademaster in all of Aabahran, and could travel long distances faster than anybody else - then you'd just slam all your trains into moves. Dey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aulian Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 I like Deys idea :D But Bali is right, hit the HP because there are items that take VERY FEW slots that will raise your mana VERY easily. Where as HP slots arent as easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corpsestomp Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Unless you wanted to roleplay that you were the fastest Halfling Blademaster in all of Aabahran, and could travel long distances faster than anybody else - then you'd just slam all your trains into moves. Dey I can think of 2 items that add a total of 200 moves... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deykari Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 But if you roll a halfling blademaster, put your trains into HP and get +move EQ and claim you are the fastest in any single race, and then I do the same except I throw my trains into moves AND and get the +moves EQ, I'd have the advantage. Dey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corpsestomp Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Avian? Edit: Why are we even having this discussion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deykari Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Paladin with heroism!?! Edit: I have no idea. Somebody shoot us. Dey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest emp_newb Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 Erm, Maybe you mean the best trained, because well, you run faster with speed not farther Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deykari Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 Assuming two people have an identical running speed, and run back and forth from Val Miran to Miruvhor, twice, using the exact same route, without mount or flight, who’s more likely to finish the fastest? I meant faster in the sense that they could get places faster than other people (which they would, taking into account that once about 600 moves or so were used up, the person who didn't put trains into moves would have to rest whilst the other could keep running. Dey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dolgan Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 bha.. your logic is failed. Who is faster, Maurice Greene or Haile Gebrselassie. Maurice Green with have a higher speed ergo faster.. But Haile can run for longer, ergo more endurance. = more moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deykari Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 Aren’t there two ways of looking at it? Two people run 1500m – one of them is a fast runner, but cannot keep his pace for long. One of them is slower, but keeps that pace consistently. The first runner is the fastest in terms of the top running speed – however if the second wins due to his consistent, albeit slightly slower running speed, and thus achieving the fastest time – doesn’t that make him the fastest/quickest in terms of how long it takes to get from A to B? One such dictionary definition for 'fastest': 2. done in comparatively little time; taking a comparatively short time: a fast race; fast work. With the FL example, two people running the same speed from Val to Miruvhor and back twice but one has more moves – the one with more moves is faster because he has finished the run in a shorter time and another. One word, many meanings. Dey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 dun know dey, always felt moves was about endurance. Hell the "ic" way to say your out of moves it to talk about how your feet/legs are tired. course could always build a delay into the game based on Dex when moving, hahahaha, wouldnt that suck for giants...takes them .6 seconds longer to move one step east giving a giant a .6 second lag on moving. hahaha... as it is now, sans running into walls, everyone moves at the same pace from one room to the next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English lad Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 From a logic point of view it only works to have max moves as speed and regen rates as endurance, as said above everybody moves at the same rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deykari Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 dun know dey, always felt moves was about endurance. Hell the "ic" way to say your out of moves it to talk about how your feet/legs are tired. course could always build a delay into the game based on Dex when moving, hahahaha, wouldnt that suck for giants...takes them .6 seconds longer to move one step east giving a giant a .6 second lag on moving. hahaha... as it is now, sans running into walls, everyone moves at the same pace from one room to the next. Doesn't matter if it's speed or endurance. I meant being fastest not in terms of speed, but fastest in terms of getting A to B quicker than another. Same word, slightly differing definitions. Dey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 So that means that my healer is the fastest in the lands ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudder Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Not when your healer is chasing a little halfling PC Healers are cheating bastards! EDIT: Speed is NOT moves. Speed is you! IE: The real person putting in the commands. Speed is how good you are at typing and how well you have memorized the layout of the lands. You can have 100000 moves, but be the worst typer and total newbie. You will not get there faster. You will not be faster. You will just suck, and have a lot of energy to suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deykari Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 EDIT: Speed is NOT moves. Speed is you! IE: The real person putting in the commands. Speed is how good you are at typing and how well you have memorized the layout of the lands. You can have 100000 moves, but be the worst typer and total newbie. You will not get there faster. You will not be faster. You will just suck, and have a lot of energy to suck. Agreed. I'm talking IGly here though, just as a character who roleplays himself as being the fastest - which the player can accomodate and demonstrate ICly by being a fast runner AND having lots of moves, thus being able to get from A to B (assuming A to B requires lots of moves) faster than other players who have an equally as fast running speed but not as many moves - thus making them the FASTEST because they are getting from A to B FASTER than the other player (who will have to rest earlier). People are looking into this way too much! Dey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'tarako Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 'Are you factoring in things like flight or a mount? or is this just on the characters own merit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deykari Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 The entire debate is moot anyway, as a paladin with regular moves would win thanks to heroism. Paladins can practically run forever, and that’s unmounted and without flight. Paladins aside though, what I meant was that I am a decent runner but there are some players better – yet you can bet in an umounted/unflighted footrace I’m going to win with twice as many moves as my opponent. That still means the other player as a player is a faster runner (because he can move faster, I simply would have more moves to facilitate running for longer) but in-game it would be seen as the faster player exerting their energy too quickly and becoming tired whilst my character paces himself and can run twice as far – making my character, ICly in the in-game world, faster. I can’t believe how in-depth this discussion is becoming. Dey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L-A Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 yet you can bet in an umounted/unflighted footrace I’m going to win with twice as many moves as my opponent. Dey No, you are not. They are going to be gone from you where into a bolt hole so fast you can run around the world twice without it mattering. Speed = distance / time. Simple. Who can get there in the least amount of time. Amount of moves is (essentially) endurance. Endurance will not help you when you are moving at half the speed of your opponent. You will be dead within ten rooms of fleeing. EG: Elf vs dwarf: You know that elf is going to get down the 100m faster than the dwarf. That dwarf might be able to run for three days straight, but he is still slower than the elf. L-A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deykari Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 Elf vs dwarf: You know that elf is going to get down the 100m faster than the dwarf. That dwarf might be able to run for three days straight, but he is still slower than the elf. L-A There are two ways to define being the fastest. One of them is in terms of your raw 'top speed' - a person who can run at 100mph is faster than a person that can run at 90mph. The second defintion? Two people run from A to B, that distance being 15,000,000 miles. The first person who can run 100mph can run for only 1 minute before becoming too tired to continue. The second person cannot run faster than 90mph but he can run forever. Even though the first person can run at a higher top speed and making him faster in that sense, the second person can get from A-B much faster, making him faster in that sense. What I am getting at, is that there are two ways of defining what 'fastest' is - top speed, and time it takes to get from A to B. Your formula is the formula for speed. Having the highest speed makes you the fastest only in one definition of the word. Here's another dictionary definition for fastest: 2. done in comparatively little time; taking a comparatively short time: a fast race; fast work. So it stands to reason that top speed doesn't neccessarily mean everything: Your example is right, assuming I run at half the speed of my opponent. I'm not trying to sound big headed or anything (I can't think of any other way to word it without it sounding big headed, so please accept my disclaimer ), but I don't run at half the speed of the other players - I can run fairly well, usually only being caught over a long distance by the top tier runners/PKers. So let's say I run at 9/10 or 4/5 of the speed of my opponent but I have an extra 500 moves. Who is going to get from A-B in the best time then, assuming the distance is a fair bit more than my opponent has moves to run without resting? Let's even take an even scenario - two people run a race that requires 900 moves to get from A to B without resting. Both characters run at EXACTLY the same speed (both leaving and entering the next room at the same time), but one of them has 400 moves and one has 900 moves. The one with 900 is going to have the FASTEST time (because the one with 400 will have to stop to rest) and thus be the FASTEST in the second defnition I explained earlier even though they are both running at the same speed. Please, somebody tell me they understand what I am getting at! Dey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-D&Der Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 Endurance is part of speed in a long race, like a marathon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'tarako Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 'i understand dey. does anyone else think this thread has gone on for toooo long? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grappler Posted March 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 Rofl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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