Pali Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 As for healers' date=' meh, never played one. Healers suck.[/quote'] Hey, Pali beat Ellowyn to 20 hp in two rounds (Carth told me it was this close later) while I was in my customary white robe, ball of light and healer staff equipment. Healer's don't suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 "Dienne's ray of thruth STEALS YOUR LUNCH MONEY!" This is more a Lacerate. Vampires are mostly unknown, and many person do not know know how to take advantage of their skill/spell set. Newbie Vampires are as easy to kill as newbie Necromancers. Uhril is not the case, he knows how they work. And what to do to ensure maximum efectivity. And Vampires sure have a lot of advantages. Messalanta was also no fool. I you disagree i dare you to roll a cleric or a healer and "try" to give them the Rapes they give. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 efectivity. This is my new favorite non-word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iusedtobesomebody Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 "Dienne's ray of truth STEALS YOUR LUNCH MONEY!" This is more a Lacerate. Vampires are mostly unknown, and many person do not know know how to take advantage of their skill/spell set. Newbie Vampires are as easy to kill as newbie Necromancers. Uhril is not the case, he knows how they work. And what to do to ensure maximum efectivity. And Vampires sure have a lot of advantages. Messalanta was also no fool. I you disagree i dare you to roll a cleric or a healer and "try" to give them the Rapes they give. I can guaran-damn-tee Ellowyn was no newbie. Tell you what Mya, you roll a vamp and I'll roll a halfer cleric. We'll PM names. We both get to 50, and I'll roll you. No johnson-waving, no ego, no talking smack. Have you ever played a vamp, if not, you've got NO trustworthy opinion. OH, and fyi, I did oblits and disintegrates to Ellowyn. Consistantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRins Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 Vamps right now have a tiny advantage the others don't...no sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 Vamps right now have a tiny advantage the others don't...no sun. Tiny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 No, i never played a Vamp on FL. Nor do i think i will. I are even less atracked to Vampires than i am to Warriors. The problem of all this is that we cannot speak openly. But i can speak on ray. You will not pull consitent a === DISINTEGRATE === or *** OBLITERATE *** unless his santuary drops and his saves fail. I have personaly pulled "">>> ANNIHILATE <<<"" on a Ogre, but that was because his saves failed, and he had no sanctuary or protection. You will need a lot of luck to pull a ***Obliterate*** on a Vampire just throw Santuary. Add protection and saves and you back to Lacerates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iusedtobesomebody Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 re Mya: Ray is based primarily off your opponent. Since you know everything, I don't have to tell you why. Check your outdated code you love to reference. Even IF your assumption regarding damage is correct (and your track record in that department is less than stellar), I highly doubt a LACERATE a round would cause an elite player with a caballed, eldered, titled powerhouse to avoid my little uncaballed halfling cleric like the plague. I have the logs, but unfortunately they are in my old laptop which functions as a paperweight. I would love nothing more than to post them and show everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangelion Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 RE IUTBS: Granted, the fact that Ellowyn had a million bajillion PKs might have had something to do with why your Ray of Truth was so effective. Re Mya: Roll a dwarf or halfling cleric, and you will see how easily vampires can be taken down. I killed Sirican in three rounds with Listaria, while he was an uber decked Elder of Nexus. And this is towards the end of his reign, when Mudder actually had half a clue what he was doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Child Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 I've one rounded a vamp with an avian (i think, might have been gnome) voker. Yeah, they didn't have sanc up. Their fault eh? Frankly I find drow shamans much more annoying than any vampire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldbond Posted June 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 that's completely situational. if the vamp is ready for you, you sure as h e l l better be ready for it, otherwise the affair certainly won't be as blase as you make it sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L-A Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 re Mya: Ray is based primarily off your opponent. Since you know everything, I don't have to tell you why. Check your outdated code you love to reference. Even IF your assumption regarding damage is correct (and your track record in that department is less than stellar), I highly doubt a LACERATE a round would cause an elite player with a caballed, eldered, titled powerhouse to avoid my little uncaballed halfling cleric like the plague. I have the logs, but unfortunately they are in my old laptop which functions as a paperweight. I would love nothing more than to post them and show everyone. Without taking anything away from you as a player (and make no mistake, your skill is substantial) or the number of PKs involved (which were no doubt also substantial): I have been told (never tested) during 1.0 ray was VAMPIRE HAMMERING damage. It was changed in 2.0 to OTHER HAMMERING DAMAGE - which is nice but not as VAMPIRE SPECIFIC HAMMERING as 1.0. What is its now is anyone's guess (I've had people tell me its been changed back, and others say it hasn't...). L-A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Child Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 that's completely situational. if the vamp is ready for you' date=' you sure as h e l l better be ready for it, otherwise the affair certainly won't be as blase as you make it sound.[/quote'] Why are you fighting a prepared player if you arn't prepared? If engaged when you are not fully preped, run. Prep yourself up, then toy with him a bit, lead him around and screw with his emotions. Then dash in there when his sanc is down and waste him. Common people thats pk101. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iusedtobesomebody Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 LA: it was changed in 2.0. BUT it is was changed back. it's still vamp smashing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English lad Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 Yeah Iru changed ray back shortly after he took over things. That said I don't know whether ray is just easier to save against now, as i've had similar experiences with it, i.e vampires taking lacerates - dismembers when spelled up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raargant Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 Iusedtobesomebody is right; I convinced Iru to change ray back. That being said, if you do the number crunch, a successfully saved, sanced, and protected vampire will roughly take that amount of damage (lacerates-dismembers), since sanctuary+save=cutting down the damage to 25% of the maximum possibility. Although perhaps something that could play around with...make it so that even if a vampire saves against ray of truth, he'll take 75% damage, as opposed to 50% damage? In which case, normal people who have sanctuary and save against ray would take 25% of the maximum, but vampires would take 37.5% of the maximum...I think it might be worth thinking about, although a time where there is eternal night is perhaps not the best time to be objectively considering vampire balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 You forgot to factor Protection ... Sometimes i doubt that Vampires are Vulnerable to ray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raargant Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 Protection makes the math too annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Twendrist Posted June 6, 2008 Report Share Posted June 6, 2008 Anyway, what if healers were allowed to help even pdeaths? It seems to me that is one of the biggest perks of being good, so why not make it how it was originally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted June 6, 2008 Report Share Posted June 6, 2008 They do help with pdeaths... they prevent constitution point loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Twendrist Posted June 6, 2008 Report Share Posted June 6, 2008 I was under the impression that any deaths other than mob deaths couldn't be helped by a ress... then again, maybe I'm wrong. Also, I was thinking more along the lines of helping the good's 61 lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieman Posted June 6, 2008 Report Share Posted June 6, 2008 J.T. you didn't understand him. Yes you do lose condition even on a res, but you prevent loss of constitution stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Twendrist Posted June 6, 2008 Report Share Posted June 6, 2008 Word. Well, basically, I'm trying to say lets let ress help everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted June 6, 2008 Report Share Posted June 6, 2008 Viri changed because some Knights where living forever. Not that now is a diferent, but with Nexus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Twendrist Posted June 6, 2008 Report Share Posted June 6, 2008 Precisely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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