Zrothum Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 Predictions? Kimbo Slice, KO 30 seconds into 1st round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPapa Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 His glass jawed opponent Thompson lost 6 out of his last 8. They are putting in some over the hill punching bags for Kimbo. They want him to be the next greatest thing. Kimbo is also on the cover of this months ESPN the magazine. First round knock out for sure, don't know about 30 seconds.. he might dance a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zrothum Posted May 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 I see Kimbo going far man. He is a beast...and with Rutten training him...it's gonna be an interesting career to follow. edit: And although he's popular on the internet...he is a nobody in MMA. You can't expect his 1st fight to be for the championship. I bet one of his next three fights is HUGE, assuming he remains undefeated. All the big wigs in MMA think he is a joke, they will be BEGGING to get in the ring with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montahg Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 I see Kimbo going far man. He is a beast...and with Rutten training him...it's gonna be an interesting career to follow. edit: And although he's popular on the internet...he is a nobody in MMA. You can't expect his 1st fight to be for the championship. I bet one of his next three fights is HUGE, assuming he remains undefeated. All the big wigs in MMA think he is a joke, they will be BEGGING to get in the ring with him. Kimbo is an absolute bull of a man. He's got so much power in his punches, but at the same time is an absolute joke when it comes to any groundwork. I love Bas, and he'll do wonders for Kimbo, but the level of competency that Kimbo will need to beat the best takes much, much longer than one year of groundwork - I don't care if you're trained by Bas, the militech camp, the quest camp, or anyone short of Jesus himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zrothum Posted May 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 I don't disagree with that at all....however I think we can both agree on this -- It will be an interesting career to follow. I think he has the brute strength to actually be decent/good on the ground. If he can get some technique in the mix to actually be able to apply the strength he has...it could get nasty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iconz Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 Hmmm.... Kimbos ground game is beyond suspect... and his conditioning is not where it needs to be. In the 2nd round i thought the ref was going to stop it after Kimbo was gettin ground n pounded for like 1:30 straight and he was barely defending himself... but the other guy wasnt doin much damage to him on the ground ... so its hard to say they should have stopped it. Its just i have a bad feelin that there was a conspiracy to help Kimbo win... you know... its good for ratings. Props to him tho. Four devastating punches to end the fight... but it could have gone longer... Anyone else think that the chicks fighting were the best part of the night? Those ladies hit hard and pushed the pace... i thought they were the best fight of the night and i wish the UFC let more of them fight. __________________ Iconz - On a sidenote Thompson had the worst case of colliflower ears i have ever seen... the hell was he carrying in those things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killalou Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 I also thought the ladies fight was exceptionally. Those women were on HASTE. For the Kimbo fight I dont know about a conspiracy I think Kimbo won, but he won barely. His ground offense is very, very, weak but his ground defense was good. He managed to put off most of Thompsons grapples but at the cost of energy. As for hand to hand. Man...Kimbo is the man. Thompson had no chance hand to hand because Kimbo always slaughtered him thats why I think he always attempted a grapple. Its funny though, all that trash talking and he loss. Lesson learned, always be humble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRins Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 I would have to say it was a conspiracy...the dude was still standing. Still attempting takedowns...but the ref stopped it because his ear was bleeding? Did anyone see the Eddie Wineland/Chase Beebe title fight in the WEC? Wineland lost like a quart of blood it seemed like but fought the entire fight. Same injury too, busted ear. Also, the ref stood them up in the second when Kimbo ate about 12 elbows when Thompson had pretty dominant side control. Then later in round 2, he landed about 30 unanswered undefensed punches and elbows from the same side control. Granted they weren't earth-shaking...but Kimbo wasn't even pretending to defend himself other than turning his head. The ref decided early on the Kimbo would win...it was obvious to anyone who has been in a cage before. Thompson was screwed as soon as he got off the plane. Kimbo on the ground is an absolute joke. He had zero offense and just about zero defense on the ground with the exception of that scissor sweep which was sloppy as hell and looked like he pulled it out of his ***. Had it gone to the cards, I don't feel there is any way that it would have been 30-27 kimbo...if anything I would have considered it a draw consider that Kimbo won on the feet...and lost everywhere else. My favorite fight was the Robby Lawler fight. It was absolutely sick. I can't believe the doctor didn't reassess after giving the fighter his full five minutes, as they are supposed to do. Granted, you never ever say you can't do something in the cage...but the rule states five minutes for a reason. A reason that was ignored...I'm glad they both got the win bonus, anything else would have been a travesty. RE Zrothum: His gigantic physique might seem like a great weapon for groundfighting, and I would tend to agree that from full mount it will help, but giant muscles = severe lack of flexibility. Defensively, those big old arms saved him...any normally sized person would have gotten kimura'd that Kimbo managed to avoid based solely on the fact that Thompson couldn't bend his arm at all. I'm convinced that if Kimbo tried to work a rubber guard he would rupture his quad. You would think those big ol' legs would have helped his takedown defense, but a good stiff breeze (that could shoot a head outside single anyway) would knock him over. Thompson wasn't even shooting, he was just bending over and reaching and still was scoring takedowns. Kimbo should stick to backyards and parking lots until he can even spell wrestling much less jiu jitsu. RE Iconz: He was carrying all that blood you saw on his face...that and maybe an alien fetus as the announcers were implying. Side note: Can anyone else not stand Frank Shamrock's voice and attempted jokes? Further more: Having just watched the replay since I TiVoed it...Thompson could have rape choked Kimbo out towards the end of the second, that was the lack of activity on Kimbo's part. If he had any flavor of submissions, Kimbo was donezo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zrothum Posted June 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 Will be an interesting career to follow. I have alot of respect for the guy. Very humble, very down to earth. Nothing to prove to anyone out there, except to himself. And your ignorant comment about him not being able to spell wrestling? C'mon, have a little more class than that...And if you do rewind it again, watch Thompson's face after the last little flurry of punches that he took. His eyes, not just his ear - They almost were rolled back into their sockets...he was about to get knocked out, I assure you of that. I don't think Kimbo felt the desire/need to defend himself when he was trapped simply because the strikes were more like pats on the head. Due to his inexperience, I'm pretty sure it wasn't running through his mind that the fight could have been called because he WASNT attempting to defend, even if he felt he wasnt in particular danger. Just like when Thompson had that choke locked in and Kimbo gives a thumbs up? lol And Thompson is looking at the Ref like 'wtf i have this choke on, why isnt he giving up yet?' Like he said, he's got alot to learn and a long way to go. 3-0 Kimbo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRins Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 My only counter and the only one necessary is...when the fight was ended, Thompson was defending himself considerably more than Kimbo did either time he was on his back in the second. Obviously the wrestling comment was a joke, I'm sure he is intelligent enough to spell...but his takedown defense was well below average, and Thompson's takedowns were not especially amazing at all. This is one of the first fights I've seen stopped when the loser was still standing, the others being a live fight in Tampa that was more of brawls in a cage then a technical MMA match and when someone (name evades me, not anyone special) got his arm broken by a blocked high kick in Cage Rage. Even then the dude's arm was dangling in such a way that it was plain it was badly broken...compound seperated fracture. In slow motion you could see where the bone broke and made a nasty lump in the middle of the gap between his bicep and tricep. I agree kimbo was about a half punch from finishing it...but it wasn't over when it was stopped. I hope he does learn more and becomes sick nasty, because it would be a great success story...but it will be a long road. How old is he these days? I know they mention it right before the fight, but I'm too lazy to reroll the TiVo right now. His age might be the real limit on his career. Frank Shamrock went from scary to mary pretty quickly at about 38-40. He was 1/2 the fighter I remember from Pankrash when he fought Cung Le for the Strikeforce belt. Side note: I thought the ref was about to land the real knock out punch when Thompson grabbed at his neck/face region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zrothum Posted June 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 I saw that too and was like man did he just B*tch slap the ref? Wonder who they will put Kimbo up against next... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRins Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 I really want to see him fight Andrei Orlovsky...only because I haven't seen that dude fight in a while. Or he could fight that prat Michael Bisping (even though he is on the next UFC card right?). I had a little prayer that the ref would just jump a flying triangle after Thompson touched him...who doesn't love flying subs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iconz Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 I was thinkin the same thing as Scrotum... "did he REALLY just slap the ref for stoppin the fight???" Man.. Big John wouldnt have taken that crap... he would have slammed him on his neck. So... uh... i notice that we have some MMAheads in the house...but no one said anything about UFC 84:ILL WILL yet... anyone watch it? I caught some of it online... i watched the Tito vs Lyoto fight in its entirety... the Sylva v Jardine fight in its entirety.... and the last bits of the BJ Penn v Sherk fight. Jardine is really an anomaly...his record is the ultimate wtf of wins and losses... beat Liddell and Forest Griffith... but lost to Houston Alexander and Wanderli in under 1 minute!?!? I think the nastiest part was when Wanderlei was holdin him by the throat and just punchin him dead in his grill... Wanderlei put a hurtin on the dean of mean... Im happy that Tito lost... i really dont like his attitude. Hes a prick... and all those post victory celebrations he did mocking the people he beat (most notably an aged Ken Shamrock... who would have wrecked him if he was 15 years younger) just always left a bad taste in my mouth. I gotta say tho... Lyoto was a little boring to watch... but my favorite parts of the match include when Tito (clearly frustrated at being evaded) is like "come on! fight me!" and Lyoto lets him hold a 2-piece combo to the face... that sick knee that dropped Tito... and when Tito *almost* locked in the triangle/armbar at the end of the fight... And what can you say about BJ Penn? He is the Prodigy for real for real.... Dropped Sherk with that knee and just wrapped up the fight... Anyone think this Pulver v Faber is gunna live up to the hype? Faber is ranked as one of the top 10 pound for pound fighters right now... i think hes number three (my man Spider Silva is chillin at numero uno)... but does he really deserve it? WEC is kinda a JV squad aint it? I mean... my brother told me that Faber's only loss was against a UFC caliber dude (Tyson Griffin) where he just got tooled... now Faber is like the king of the JV MMA fighters... but this is getting top billing like its gunna be the greatest fight at 145 of all time. I give my man Lil Evil props... but was he demoted to the JV squad after BJ choked him out? Does he even have it left in him to teach the young buck a lesson? Blah... i guess either way... they are getting what they want.. cuz i will be watching the match... __________________ Iconz - Anxiously anticipating Floyd "Money" Mayweather to drop a CD entitled "Boxing is Dead" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRins Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 Faber has improved by leaps and bounds since his only loss. WEC is in no way a JV team. Maybe they don't have the prestige of the UFC, but there is only one original. You can't call Pulver's move to WEC a demotion, considering he dropped a weight class (his new class I consider UFC's weakest). Faber is sick, Rob McCullough is sick, Brian Stann is scary, and I can't think of an amount of money that is high enough for me to spend 10 seconds in the cage with Pulver. Cub Swanson just frightens me (even after the Pulver loss). WEC is hot...if you can't consider it on par with UFC then it is an amazingly close 2nd. Otherwise I don't respect your opinion on MMA. I'd like to change my opinion on who Kimbo should fight next... Brian Stann vs. Kimbo Slice. When I picture it in my mind, the punches have the freaky air waves around them like in those crazy anime shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iconz Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 If UFC didnt dismantle PRIDE... id have to disagree more firmly. Most of the guys that came from there have just owned UFC... Spider Silva... Rampage Jackson... Dan Henderson... Fedor Emilianko. But since they bought it and then basically tore it apart... its really kinda default for WEC (who is owned by the UFC) to be #2... but the caliber of their fighters are nowhere near UFC caliber. Even if it is kinda a moot point since PRIDE is gone... but name me 3 WEC fighters (that came up from the WEC) that can compete in the UFC on the level that these PRIDE fighters have? If you can... ill respectfully remove my claim that WEC is their JV Squad... __________________ Iconz - Thinking about how weak it is to have Cub be your first name as fighter... and how cool it is to have Pulver be your last name as a fighter... almost as cool as this hockey player's name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quigt Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 Eventually somebody's gonna have his number and knock him out. I don't think he'll be undefeated for very long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoneemus Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 I don't keep up with this as much as I used to, but uhh...Wanderlei Silva is a frenetic beast. If his Pride contract let him fight in the UFC back when he was dominant, he would've easily beaten everybody. I really hope he gets back into form, because he's exciting to watch (even without the brutal stomping/kneeing). You know who else I want to see again? Gilbert Yvel. You know,once he stops beating up helpless refs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRins Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 Faber (ranked #1 at his weight in the world), Rob McCullough (former world champion kickboxer), Paulo Fihlo (I believe he was the Brazilian jiu jitsu champ in the past but that could be wrong), Chael Sonnen (who knocked out Fihlo even though the ref did not stop the fight, then said Sonnen verbally tapped and I honestly didn't see it. Also a former D1 wrestling champ.) There are more, but those are some of the better ones in my opinion. I did not even mention current champs in WEC like Jamie Varner (former d1 boxing champ and he won the belt from McCullough) or Brian Stann (just a beast...and a former Marine lieutenant which I think deserves respect even if he couldn't fight). I'm not trying to say that the former Pride fighter are not any good, because they are amazing, but the WEC has some of the top ranked fighters in the world. I chose to exclude Pulver because he only recently came over to WEC, though he is a perfect 8-0 at his new weight class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfdude Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 put him up against fedor! oh yea kimbo is a ****ing joke he has marginal boxing skills and his ground game is non-existant. http://youtube.com/watch?v=CKb1jeg-fgI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HouselessRogue Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 I would think a whole lot more of Kimbo if he was 24. But he is not. By the time Rutten (a very, very bad man) gets done with him he'll be 40. Too little to late. He'll make some waves with sheer power but in the end he can't hang with the top 10%. Fedor, minotauro... please... they would destroy that guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iconz Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 Whos not gunna be undefeated for long? Kimbo? Thats for sure... the dude got into the game at too late... hes just entertaining to watch. Elfdude... its a bit harsh to say he has marginal boxing skills... the man is a brawler... not a boxer... but he has punished boxers. Filho was a PRIDE fighter homie... Shonen has consistently lost to UFC caliber dudes (Forrest Griffin, Jeremy Horn 3 times..) Varner hasnt really fought nobody Stann hasnt really fought nobody Im not sayin these guys aint got potential... but thats what a JV squad is! Where you put dudes to get experience before you toss em to the big dogs... its nuthin to be ashamed of... most dudes dont start their pro careers in the UFC... i thought they shoulda let Brock Lesnar spend more time in the JV squads before tossin him to a vet like Frank Mir... and then Dana has the nerve to say Kimbo is a joke and the UFC would never participate in that kind of freak show to sell tickets.... what do you call Brock Lesnar (a former WWE superstar) basically getting handed a ticket to fight in the big leagues *rolls his eyes* You know who impresses in WEC cuz of his record? Miguel Torres (33 and mf'n 1!)... id love to see him throw down w/ some UFC lightweights.... You know who else i want to see in the UFC? Cung Le... the kid is getting a lot of hype and i wonder if he can hang... __________________ Iconz McCool - Its legal... i changed my last name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 Who I wanna see get back into the action is Lidell. That man is a beast of a monster, wrapped in some caged animal. I don't know how he lost to Jardine. Also Roger Huerta, Diego Sanchez, Matt Serra, Tito Ortiz, where'd they all go? These dudes were kicking arse last I saw... haven't heard much for awhile. I'm all UFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfdude Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 I was just joking about the whole fedor thing.. But yea, hes very entertaining to watch and he can take a punch, that does count for something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRins Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 Filho's highest paying fights have been in the WEC for a reason. Sonnen's record is 19-3 (one lost being to Filho so I have no clue where you came up with those losses) Jamie Varner completely destroyed McCullough Brian Stann has destroyed all comers in the extremely convincing fashion. Miguel Torres is sick and I was pretty impressed with him tonight. Chase Beebe (former champ that lost to Torres) is no slouch either. You can't say Faber is a JV fighter, considering he put a beatdown on Pulver from start to finish. That Cung Le comment pretty much disqualifies you from making any statements whatsoever regarding talent. He was only marginal better than an aging Frank Shamrock and was completely afraid to even consider going to the ground with him. He needs a good long time in a BJJ room. And he is far from a kid, he is kinda old. PRIDE dissolved for a reason... they made matches that made me laugh at the disparity in talent. I literally cannot think of a single fighter in all the world that could beat Faber. I want to see him fight BJ Penn, Hughes, and the like...but he won't do it unless the cash is super huge. SUPERFIGHT super huge. I know he has been talking about moving up to Lightweight and I hope he does. What's left for him at featherweight? If you want to call anything a JV league...I'm gonna go with the IFL, EliteXC (I'm so disgusted with them after that horrible show), or Cage Rage. Huerta is waiting for a title shot, Diego seems to have disappeared or something, Matt Serra got completely destroyed by St. Pierre and hasn't been seen since, and Tito just got destroyed like a week ago or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iconz Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 Filho left a grand 3 months before Pride dissolved... and spent most of his pro career as a PRIDE fighter... hence hes a PRIDE fighter... When did Shonen join Team Quest? Cuz Horn submitted his a** in 2006. Stann has beaten a bunch of jabronis.... McCollughs fight tonight was a total snorefest... no wonder it was an undercard fight... i was unimpressed and so was the crowd. Miguel Torres had the fight of the night hands down. I loved every minute of it and i think dude is nasty... he has my respect and he really needs to be in an organization where he can get some limelight for his talent... the WEC is just NOT that outlet right now... he needs to sign with the UFC.. EliteXC IS a JV squad... but with their deal with CBS/Showtime... their fighters are getting a lot of exposure... unlike the WEC which is on VS... they get national media coverage. Its simple economics/marketing... anytime you can get a commodity into the national spotlight... thats a big move, ya dig? Thats why playoff games are played on ESPN...but national title games are always on FOX/CBS/ABC/NBC... national channels.... channels that arent limited by whatever area you live in. Also.. reread what i said... i never said *i* thought Cung Le was a great talent... but he *is* gettin a lot of attention/hype and i want to see if he can live up to that hype... period. Never touted myself as the resident MMA talent scout... but i have the right to my opinion... which i think is based on logic and what ive seen...im not tryin to take your MMA talent scout king throne here guy... rest assured you can keep it as long as you want . As to the "he's not a kid" thing... thats just being contentious for the sake of being contentious... Urijah Faber is 29 years old but they call him the California Kid. Speakin of Faber, i was questionin Urijah Faber's hype... but he proved it tonight by defeating his first *quality* (imho) opponent... and he beat him soundly. He beat Jens like Lil Evil stole his money... he beat Jens like Jens called his momma a whore... he beat Jens like Jens made a pass at his wife... five rds of solid beatdown. Jens got grit tho... he took that beatdown like a soldier. Faber said he felt like he was on the brink of superstardom... but to get there he is going to need to beat more quality opponents ... and get more national face time so he can get those endorsements and all that other stuff that comes w/ superstardom. I think sooner or later... w/ the UFC ownin WEC... theyre gunna do the same thing they did to PRIDE... bring up all of the fighters that deserve national coverage to the Varsity squad... i think Faber is gunna be on that list... __________________ Iconz J. McCool - For some reason... it just sounds better w/ the initial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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