Taking a short break

[Valsgarde]

Poor player ethic? Tell me why a drow' date=' or any race/RP being evil incarnated would leave you with ANYTHING. To expect me or anyone to leave you ANY equipment is absolutely absurd. You fight anyone, to the death, and die. Their bonus is that they get to pick and choose from your equipment. Don't like it? Sorry, guess FL isn't for you. If my character is the most evil person on the planet, you can damn well rest assured I ain't leaving you a single piece of equipment. Grow up, get used to it. If you want to get involved with PK, you better expect the possibility of getting full-looted. I think it's absurd to say it's poor ethic to get full looted. If you don't want a full loot, then just stay away from pk. It'd be poor ethic for a chaotic evil character to NOT full loot you.[/quote']

Because being evil does not equate to being an ***hole. I play a neutral evil, not a neutral prick.

I wholly expect to be full looted if and when I'm killed; but that is because the spiteful passive-aggression of the pbase has grown. I distinctly remember for years being PKd and it was odd if I was left with NOTHING.

You're right, I don't like it. Maybe FL isn't for me. But it's fun, so I play it. Maybe I simply have hopes for a more classy roster of players. Maybe you should grow up and get over that and let me feel however I want about a topic without getting an attitude.

You can't stray away from PK really if you wanted, A. B, PK is a giant part of FL, and if it were to come to that, one might as well just join another mud altogether. You can think it's absurd to not get full looted when you're PK'd all you want. I guess I just have a higher standard of class than you.

Who cares about alignments. You dictate how your alignment works for you - your alignment does not dictate how you function as a character. To reiterate: EVIL does not mean ***HOLE. Evil is something with far more depth than a sandbox bully that pushes you down and takes your lunch money.

[Twinblades713]

I know it sounds trite, but I'm for the notion that if you're killed, it's better to be full looted than to perma die, like is the more realistic version of how life works. Kinda like what L-A said, that you should expect to be full-looted every time and anything more (or less, depending on the semantics) than that is a gift, realistically, it would make sense that all your things are lost SOMEWHERE even if the player doesn't get them, since you've been granted another life, you're technically a different person. You've been granted a new life by some miracle. It just comes down to player ethic based on personal goodness according to some players, and to others it should be based on rp. I personally like to escape from coding and mechanics, and rp it out. If you die, you've obviously lost the right to anything you have. For the sake of reequipping ease for the person behind the screen, people leave things in the corpse. This is using ooc information if you leave someone items to be courteous, because you know that person will be able to get them later, but your character shouldn't. If you left the items simply because it was too much trash to lug around, then fine.

[Nekky]

This brings up a whole other topic which really deserves its own thread; regarding does being a chaotic evil player mean you have to be an arse in game?

Surely what really gets the chaotic psycho murderer types off is actually killing someone? Looting is essentially a game mechanic that the people behind the players know is going to make their dead enemy's life harder. That knowledge isn't necessarily the knowledge of the character.

As an example I cite Messalantha, Askarran, Purikant, Issasthys, Morchial and others who are too numerous to name. All evils, all in Nexus, all chaotic ethos from what I can remember. Yet all players who managed to successfully RP evil bastards without resorting to continual full loots because of their align. I agree that no one owes you to not full loot, but it is definitely the mark of a classy player and RPer to not do it unless the circumstances are extreme.

Re: Montahg specifically.

You said yourself that you haven't had anyone above 40 since you came back to FL, and I don't know who you were before you left. But maybe you should get some pinnacles happening in the PK and RP scene before you tell experienced players to 'grow up' and that FL might not be for them if they have certain opinions. You are not Lay-About ;p

[Twinblades713]

more depth than a sandbox bully that pushes you down and takes your lunch money.

Though that definitely is an idea!!!

Get a ninja with the push skill. Push your opponent into a wall, and say,

"3.75 now! Hand it over chump!"

[Valsgarde]

A thug tosses a burlap sack to the cashier of a gas station and draws a gun on him.

"GP or HP!"

[Twinblades713]

A thug tosses a burlap sack to the cashier of a gas station and draws a gun on him.

"Your GP or your HP!"

"Oh god!... I'm out of GP from buying all those scrolls of missile immunity and I used them all! I have a few CP for you. Here take them and leave! Just leave my HP alone! T__T"

EDIT: Why in the hell does some cashier need scrolls of missile immunity?

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[KRins]

As much as I want to be a sarcastic pr!ck to you right now, I'm going to try to get you to understand:

How do you think I got decked in the first place? It wasn't by running the factions twice a day. No, the usual way for me to get anything is that I kill someone and take their eq. So somewhere, sometime, somehow I killed a decked person and took their stuff - while I wasn't decked.

If I killed someone who was decked, someone could do it to me. Oh wait, they tried and failed. Well, they won't be trying that again anytime soon - there goes their best stuff. YOINK. Try to trash me in half a suit (because you're mad or don't care about death) and I'll sac'd the rest then multi you until you log off. Come back when you're better prepared - and bring your A-game next time. I'm sure as hell going to bring mine.

As I said way back at the start of this thread - I expect to be full looted every time I am killed. Anything more than that is a bonus.

Full loots and cabal warfare are what defines FL as a sublime online experience, in my opinion. If you've never stood up to four enemy cabal members (even if you got killed) or taken down THE current gun PK'r of the realms then I have to say you have not lived. None of this is out of anyone's grasp.

L-A

PS - you only take cabal eq eh? Do you know how much time it can take to get that stuff? I'd trade half my rares most days to not have my cabal eq touched. Your credibility on not full looting just took a huge hit there, mate.

Cabal eq represents the crystalized power of my mortal enemies in armor/weapon form. In my mind allowing objects specifically created by the exact antithesis of all I represent to exist to be terrible roleplay. They can also technically be purchased an infinite number of times (yes I realize its expensive, but at least you know that it will be there 100% of the time unlike...half of the good rares these days). I have no clue how my credibility on not full looting takes a hit since I said I only take specific things, either things my character consider a blight on reality or something I need to survive. That being the definition of a partial loot. You yourself said you specifically take things to cripple people and so do I...when I manage to beat a rival cabal member which hasn't happened since I had Tial...like a year ago maybe. Generally if I fight someone who isn't a vendetta'd cabal, I just take my win and move on with my day. Maybe take gold if they have a borderline rediculous amount or a barrel if I'm low on water. I think my single most dick loot was when I took all of a BLM's weapons (like 3 good rare weapons), a samite gown, and a minor globe. I can proudly say I've never full looted anyone, as I am sure to check my ego at the login screen.

[corpsestomp]

I try not to full loot, since I hate when it happens to me, but if since it has happened, it's hard for me to justify leaving a lot of eq. I generally take and either use or sac rares, take gold and backpacks/bags, etc. I leave the person with some equipment, but they won't be back to fight me for a while.

edit: If the person was a jerk, I'll take more, or if the fight was exceptionally tough, I'll grab up some stuff so I have an advantage next time.

[samag08]

Derav(miss ya man!) and I talked a long time ago about looting. We pretty much felt the same here. Looting as follows:

-If you were a peckerhead who tries to silent pk me pre 50 and I kill you, you get full looted.

-If you've full looted me in the past, or attempt to gang me, I full loot you.

-If you are in an opposing cabal: I,M,V usually lose gold, weapons, any rare that I really need; T, E, L full loots no questions here.

-If you are just some poor sap that I happen to run into at an inopportune time with no affiliation/past I usually take gold and weapons.

-If you talk crap, prepare to be full looted. If you talk crap still after I have killed you, get ready to die again, you're even losing that tainted/mithril then.

I have had GREAT times in the past after logging on to 3v1 odds and getting my *** kicked and looted only to graba a few things and use skill/surprise to kill and loot one or more of the opposing people.

To Kyz -

A pity man. If I am correct in thinking on who you played you knew the combo fairly well. I fought you with one of my pinns while in mithril and you raped me hard, but we never got that other chance once I felt a bit more prepared eq wise. I hope that you can regain your calm quickly and return to brighter days with FL. Remeber: It is a way to take your mind off RL stress, not a place to come and get stressed over.

[BigPapa]

In any game...

Power Gamers will be Power Gamers. They will have 10 hours a day to play, they will get groups, they can lead to the outlying reaches, and they will have the best equipment.

This means they will have the BEST AC, or the best HIT/DAM, They will have the consumables necessary.. and last but not least.....

They will find a target, prepare and engage..

Those with an hour or two per day and hence cannot be powergamers dont have the time to go on long trips, dont have the best equip, therefore not the best ac, hit dam, consumables etc...

Since they do not, they as I have noticed, ( This is from my perspective ).

They will not target, prep and engage.. They are reactive to PK, not prepped and will die.

It goes back to Raargant's thread regarding the Silent PK.

It is also up to those who are elite who are powergamers to be classy. If someone has one nice weapon, dressed in local rares, why destroy them.. You hunted them, were prepped and beat them. Is that not enough.. is their 30/30 hit dam going to touch your 40/50 hit dam?

This is not personal in any way. My current has been full looted each and every time he dies, he is in a position were this is warranted, normally i have some advanced warning, so I take it. I don't complain and this isnt about me.

I sometimes wonder about all the healers that have roamed the lands within the last year. There might be something to people not wanted to have to do what KYZ did and why he is taking a break?

TO KYZ,

You are always a voice of reason on the forums and I respect you greatly. I am sad to see you take time off, but come back with a clear head and a new interest in FL.

[Ex-D&Der]

I don't really resent it when I get full looted because I feel like it's my fault for dying.

I pretty much follow samag08's guidelines for full-looting.

Multikilling is being a dick, unless it's necessary for cabal warfare or something.

Also, just out of curiosity, how many people have actually solved the riddles in Gear?

[HouselessRogue]

Like awhile ago' date=' I was burnt out on my current at the time and I grabbed my shelved monk Dinix if anyone remembers him, [/quote']

Dinix... didn't you attack the Castle with him. I think that was you anyway. I remember an evil monk attacking the Castle when I played Wellaby.

[Anoneemus]

Also' date=' just out of curiosity, how many people have actually solved the riddles in Gear?[/quote']

I *have* done it, but that was years ago. If you asked me today, no way. This is another problem, in that people aren't willing enough to explore or are too tied down with their cabal duties, so only a few people know how to get the uber eq, and once those people get decked, they rarely go on eq runs anymore. This means nobody else wants to go on runs, and eq stagnates. Don't be afraid to take some deaths with an ill-prepared group for the sake of learning something. It's worth it.

[Pali]

Something to keep in mind regarding full loots... unless it was a necromancer or ranger, chances are that the majority of your eq was sac'd instead of taken. That means if you go kill the mob twice, you've got it back. Obviously this won't help you quickly get back super-eq, but it does mean you can get most of the more common rares back easily and quickly if you care to keep playing instead of just logging/deleting (like I usually do ).

[myrek]

New day, old story.

The game is about one thing: war.

You will die.

If you are a threat, you will be naked. I don't even care if I killed you.

If I need your stuff, you will be naked.

If I want you doing something other than attacking me, you will be naked.

If you are a threat to an ally, you will be naked.

If I'm evil, you will be at least mostly naked.

If I can't full loot you, I will pay someone(s) to make it happen.

If I can't full loot you, I will get help.

If we can't full loot you, we will get help.

If you died, you did something wrong.

If you died, you should have not battled.

If you died, you should have hid.

If you died, you should have logged off.

Dying sucks.

Re-equiping sucks.

But you don't learn from success.

Players:

Don't be afraid to start a gang or a gang attack.

Staff:

Remove corpse protection. That will help eat up some of the good rares and add to realism.

Remove the present clan system.

Let clans return to RP tools (which are sorely needed).

Let/encourage cabals to recruit earlier.

If the game is in a situation where equipment trumps skills, training, and knowledge, then rare quantity needs turned up or turned down.

It was nice to be quoted.

[Imoutgoodbye]

If I can't full loot you, I will get help.

If we can't full loot you, we will get help.

If you died, you should have logged off.

Players:

Don't be afraid to start a gang or a gang attack.

I'm quoting you. *tries to push Myrek back into his cage* And who in the hell let you out anyways?

Man, I'm with you most of the way. But if you can't do it on your own and you want to resort to ganging, that's just some BS punk mentality. And quite frankly, I'm seeing it in ONE clan that I don't think I should see it in. Like you said, you can PAY for it....give Syndicate something to do.

[myrek]

Clans, cabals, and individuals might have RP that prevents ganging. But the point is to defeat your enemies. Period.

I'm out of my cage because I'm trying a new character. I can't decide on one though. Got any ideas or suggestions?

[Malchaeius]

Bard.

[Shinth]

Myrek's post is worthy of being in my sig.

[Imoutgoodbye]

Bard.

What he said.

[myrek]

Bards can't be evil! Was there ever a ruling on undead rangers?

[Imoutgoodbye]

Bards can't be evil! Was there ever a ruling on undead rangers?

Undead rangers, last I knew, are still a no. I can see that changing in the near future, though.

Bards CAN be evil....you'll just get Outcasted. But I think you'd be so cute as a faerie bard.....I'd pinch your widdle cheeks....

[Montahg]

Because being evil does not equate to being an ***hole. I play a neutral evil, not a neutral prick.

I wholly expect to be full looted if and when I'm killed; but that is because the spiteful passive-aggression of the pbase has grown. I distinctly remember for years being PKd and it was odd if I was left with NOTHING.

You're right, I don't like it. Maybe FL isn't for me. But it's fun, so I play it. Maybe I simply have hopes for a more classy roster of players. Maybe you should grow up and get over that and let me feel however I want about a topic without getting an attitude.

You can't stray away from PK really if you wanted, A. B, PK is a giant part of FL, and if it were to come to that, one might as well just join another mud altogether. You can think it's absurd to not get full looted when you're PK'd all you want. I guess I just have a higher standard of class than you.

Who cares about alignments. You dictate how your alignment works for you - your alignment does not dictate how you function as a character. To reiterate: EVIL does not mean ***HOLE. Evil is something with far more depth than a sandbox bully that pushes you down and takes your lunch money.

"Evil incarnated" would not be "neutral evil". I'm talking in the case of a chaotic evil. If you do some research on how certain races act, you would find that merely looking at a certain race wrong (and in some cases, merely looking them in the face) would bring a full out assault on you, and most likely all your things would be gone. If I got pk'd by one of these races, I would fully expect to go back to my corpse and see nothing. FL can have exceptions, but I would expect a chaotic evil to act just like that, chaotic evil. I wouldn't expect them to hold my hand and go frollicking in a field full of daisies.

And how does your alignment *NOT* dictate how your character functions? Are you going to make an evil and go have a picnic in a park with a goodie? Ok, maybe, but I would imagine if you did it consistently, and without *extremely* good rp reasons, an outcasting would be in order.

Take, for example, how and why Aithon got outcasted recently, and then tell me again that alignment essentially doesn't matter.

[Malchaeius]

Bards can't be evil! Was there ever a ruling on undead rangers?

I thought rangers sucked.

[Ex-D&Der]

You can apply for one but it will be severely gimped. I think WC pulled this off.