Looting corpses

[Shinth]

I found the corpse of a pinn char, and I was undecided, how is looting corpses viewed? I didn't take anything, although the items were pretty tempting.

[Anoneemus]

Nothing wrong with it, there's a shield on the corpse for a length of time, so if they don't get back soon enough it's their own fault. Thieves can loot the corpse instantly, but personally I have never abused this as I feel it's way too dickish. Maybe take 1 or 2 things, because hey, you're a thief.

Also if you're a good, you should never loot the corpse of another good.

[Imoutgoodbye]

At level 15, I looted the corpse of a level 50 before. You may get questioned for having such great equipment, so make sure to remember the day in question of the looting and the name of the character you looted.

If you do it, expect to make enemies fast. You are now a prime target because you're seen as the fastest way to some great equipment. Big ole bulls eye me boy. As a thief, I've taken it all before. I wouldn't bat an eye if given the chance again.

Nothing wrong with it. Just get ready to suffer a little.

[L-A]

Having been the subject of a full loot today (which may or may not have been done not by the person who killed me) and haveing just logged off without bothering to go look at my still warm corpse (at least I didn't delete) I'd love to tell you you should never touch a corpse just because you're first on the scence.

I'd just be lying to you though. If you found it - and are prepared to be hunted by the player who is coming back to their corpse for stealing their things - then its yours. Trust me though - if I, someone like me, well, anyone really - catches you jacking lvl 50 stuff on a lowbie then they are going to be looking for you in ranking areas as soon as you enter their PK.

As Valek said, if you take a heap of good rares at a low rank you're likely to become the subject of a PK yourself - but hey, life's for living right

L-A

PS - after the recent thread on looting there are probably some of you thinking 'Hey L-A, how to you like THOSE apples? What's that naked feeling like? Bet you wish you weren't such a big advocate of the full loot now eh? ' Wrong. Took me about 30min to be fully eq'd again with more than enough consuambles to go to war. Complaining about it didn't even cross my mind.

[Imoutgoodbye]

L-A

PS - after the recent thread on looting there are probably some of you thinking 'Hey L-A, how to you like THOSE apples? What's that naked feeling like? Bet you wish you weren't such a big advocate of the full loot now eh? ' Wrong. Took me about 30min to be fully eq'd again with more than enough consuambles to go to war. Complaining about it didn't even cross my mind.

Yeah, yeah, brag it up. I hope you choke on the next apple.

EDIT: And for lands sake, get a forum avatar!

[Pieman]

Well, honestly I would say looting a corpse I didn't kill works like this.

If my char has a BIG problem with the dead char, I'll take his BIG shinies.

If the dead char is in my enemy cabal (Knight to Nexus, WM to Savant, Watcher/Syndi to Tribunal) I might take all his shinies.

If the enemy is in a Vendetta'd cabal that isn't the big enemy I might take his BIG shinies.

To me doing that is twofold, if I need the eq I'll take what I can get so that later when I fight them I'm better off. And if you're thinking that that dead person will come after me they will be ill suited to do such.

Also, on the subject of Thieves even if you're a lowbie thief the ability to loot all corpses is an ability open only to you and you're allowed to do it for a reason. Thief with this ability is the only lowbie that can have high level eq and get away with it. Also just to let you know if you are a lowbie thief and loot a corpse with AWESOME shinies and give them to your pinned and high ranking clannies EVERYONE will love you!

[myrek]

MoP makes a great point. It is based upon the character. Someone who doesn't full loot because it is a screwed up thing to do to another player has just gone OOC.

[Shinth]

MoP makes a great point. It is based upon the character. Someone who doesn't full loot because it is a screwed up thing to do to another player has just gone OOC.

YOU make your character, and unless you are a thief I don't see any problem finding a justification IG for not looting, if you don't want to do it.

[KRins]

Look at Shinth, already developing a deep seated nigh religious RP prespective. You're right. If you can't tell from Myrek's other full loot posts, he is all about snatch and grab regardless of the situation. Very Diablo 2 mentality. If that works for you, do it up. Considering we don't have thousands of users and the person you just full looted despite not having killed them, might end up a fellow clanny on their next character and might just be usurping your position because they know (even if it is technically OOC) your character is an asshat...well thats just another thing you'll have to stomach along with your own questionable methods. If you can deal with it, do your thing.

[Pieman]

YOU make your character' date=' and unless you are a thief I don't see any problem finding a justification IG for not looting, if you don't want to do it.[/quote']

Great point here! It truly is all about the char.

Say you're a power hungry DK with killing sprees out the wazoo! You might intend to full loot every dead corpse you see whether or not you killed them.

You might be a righteous paladin who would even protect the corpse from some sticky fingered clepto.

You might be a honorable gladiator who thinks the person even you just killed deserves to keep his things because he fought with honor and valor.

There's really 347532769237 combinations of things you can do and it's up to your character to decide.

[The Professor]

This is an easy one...

It is all about your char's RP.

However,

There is such a thing as "over the top"

SO, if your RP is being an ***hole instead to taking everything...

Just take some of the things you could put to good use on your char.

We are here to have fun!

No point in everyone acting like a complete A** just cause they can chalk it up to RP, all that requires is a bit of imagination, which should not be the soul reason for justification.

[myrek]

I must say that the "you can kill me, but don't take my stuff" mentality cracks me up.

As for my other "looting" posts, my position does seem a bit extreme. But there are very few people defending looting. I simply took the devil's advocate role.

That being said... don't expect me to leave a threat walking around.

[Pali]

Is it just me, or are us 1.0 vets the ones who seem to support full looting the most? Because I'm entirely on Myrek's side here.

[a-guitarist]

I'm with the Rev on this one...

a-g

[myrek]

Pali,

I think you're right. We're a little more kinder and gentler now.

Something I forgot to include in my last post:

Engineering an RP that doesn't loot is good play.

Not full looting only because the player thinks it is rude is OOC.

[KRins]

If the player thinks it is rude OOC...about seventy trillion ways exist of making it perfectly acceptable RP IC.

[Twinblades713]

Well I am by no means a vet and I agree with Pali/Myrek. The thing that REALLY hardened this mentality into MY mind was when I'd kill an enemy, then I'd end up being "nice" and leaving a few things, and more often then not, they would come back to kill me, take my standard, take their standard back... or whatever. Not that I think they should just sit back and do nothing, but I decided they'd just get a few chores to do before they came running back. NO more packs, weapons... anything. The only way I end up being really lenient is if I'm shown it first by a character, and even then I will only show that character lenience. And that is rare.

[Iusedtobesomebody]

If I kill you easily, I take your weapon, sack and a few things if I need them.

If I kill you and it was hard fought, I full loot/sac your ***.

[Mudder]

Is it just me' date=' or are us 1.0 vets the ones who seem to support full looting the most? Because I'm entirely on Myrek's side here.[/quote']

I have long taken the stance of "classy" play.

Part of doing "classy" play is remembering, this IS a game. We are all here to have fun. Full looting is stupid. It ruins everyones day. How often have we all been ridiculously outright DESTROYED, wearing only mithril... Only to return to your corpse and notice all your crappy rags have been looted. Really? You look my mithril?

Here is my general guideline.

1) IF they have ever full-looted you or broken one of "Mudder's rules of Classy play" - They will be full-looted if I can.

2) IF the said person is decked to the core and you killed them by luck. They will be full-looted.

3) Otherwise I take only what I need, destroy critical items they are using and probably take a backpack. I DO however try to always leave cabal items.

Yes, it is "bad RP" to not full-loot someone because your controlling your character and not the other way around. But honestly, by that statement we ARE ALL OOC. All of us. To take EQ from a corpse because you know they are not condead, is OOC. To get life-insurance because you know you will get to keep your eq, is OOC. To play a Healer that is hunting by slaughtering an entire village, then joins Herald is OOC.

We ALL play with OOC knowledge. All of us. The game wouldn't function without it. How many times have we ALL killed the Baron, knowing he would return so we could again take his rings of accuracy?

It is up to YOU to draw the line between RP and classy play. There is a line, we ALL cross it. Though many of us use it as an excuse to be a d*ck.

EDIT:

I'm with the Rev on this one...

a-g

Rofl. I love it.

[Shinth]

In case I haven't made my first post clear enough, my question was about looting the corpse of someone YOU DIDN'T KILL.

In the case of people YOU kill, I have absolutely no problem with full looting, nor do I mind if people take all of my gear, in fact, I EXPECT them to do that. There were some nice people who didn't loot any of my chars when they killed me, and I appreciate that, I was really happy to find all of my gear intact. Probably that's why I usually take only what seems like good gear, to have it indentified later, and if the person RPs his death well, I even return them (of course, all within RP).

EDIT: Come to think about it, I'm glad I didn't make my first post clear enough, this has started an interesting debate.

[a-guitarist]

As far as RP and OOC knowledge goes...

aren't you supposed to NOT know that a character will come back from the dead? So, taking his stuff for the sake of not making it easier for him to get revenge becomes moot. You don't know the gods have granted him another life, so why take his stuff if you don't need it?

Consequently, if the limit on the amount of objects a character could carry were changed... this might change the whole fact altogether. But, that is such a drastic ideal for something that is not broke. The system has worked thus far.

Basically, whether it is OOC or not, if it is bad RP or not, or classy or not, it doesn't matter. It's all debatable. The game would not run, as Mudder said, without OOC knowledge. What it comes down to is how players play FL.

Do they considered it a Hack'n'Slash? Most do. So just go into a room swinging around and only consider it fun when body parts are flying.

Do they considered an RPG? Fewer do. Go talk to someone, then only once you've met the person/talked to them/found something out then you attack, if it heightens RP.

Neither one is inherently "bad" or "better" than the other, but as it stands, the Staff has always (since 1.0) encouraged both mind sets and allowed each player to take up their standard and stance.

a-g

Edit: As for looting corpses you didn't kill. If you feel it fits your RP, then go ahead and do it. There are no rules against it (there are actually time limits imposed on who can loot what corpses and when), so if you're below a certain level and find a buncha shinies within arms reach... clean off the brain matter and slap 'em on! You'll just make yourself a target later. But, maybe you'll be able to fight them off with your new gear?

[Imoutgoodbye]

I'm with the Rev on this one...

a-g

Hahaha! I'm taking that! Consider this thread full looted!

Actually, having been the recipient of a few full loots lately, I've been handin' 'em right back out.

EDIT

Had to add something. You all are noticing that there are those of us who full loot people we think are being d*cks and the latter just full loot everyone because they think the worm could turn within five seconds (myrek, I'm starting to think you're an anarchist with a sense of organization).

It's such an abusive cycle. All the newbs ever see is full looting. :S Damnit! We're just furthering their cause! *mutter*

[Anume]

As I don't think an Imm has replied yet, here what the Staff does in most cases:

If we find a low level with eq so good he has no chance of having gotten it by himself we ask him where it is from, as was already said.

If the explanation is believable, we usually tell them not to actively pk (no attacking other chars) until a certain level, depending on the eq he has. In very rare circumstances we might even tell them to avoid killing someone completely to a certain level. We might also tell you to sacrifice some items if you already did pk with them.

[myrek]

Wow! That's ****ty.

[Mudder]

Wow! That's ****ty.

Thats how it has always been.