Tiernan

[English lad]

I'll bite - although i didn't call you pathetic, and I did apologise for it after...my comment about life-insurance was caused by frustation, not against you, but against the whole concept of Life-insurance. Sorry about that again, but I really think Life-insurance is actually the most OOC thing we having going, and its my pet hate.

[Djriacen]

Heh all i have to say is, "Damn ice storm." "Damn life-insurance." "Touche."

[WagesofSin]

Really, why full loot? I understand against a decked opponent that you have no chance to defeat again, but there's no need to loot characters all the time.

We seem to complain that there aren't enough players or that not enough people log on. Why? Cause of loot for crying out loud. If eq didnt take hours upon hours of menial labor to get, then people would be more willing to risk it. We need people to play the game, not log out when things get tough. We need to make it so that people want to play the game as much as they can as long as they can. This whole looting business just makes people stop playing and delete characters. Seriosuly, how many people have deleted a character not because of a death, but because of losing their loot? Life means nothing in this game, loot does.

If we want more players, we need to give people a reason to log on and stay logged on.

[English lad]

Really, why full loot? I understand against a decked opponent that you have no chance to defeat again, but there's no need to loot characters all the time.

We seem to complain that there aren't enough players or that not enough people log on. Why? Cause of loot for crying out loud. If eq didnt take hours upon hours of menial labor to get, then people would be more willing to risk it. We need people to play the game, not log out when things get tough. We need to make it so that people want to play the game as much as they can as long as they can. This whole looting business just makes people stop playing and delete characters. Seriosuly, how many people have deleted a character not because of a death, but because of losing their loot? Life means nothing in this game, loot does.

If we want more players, we need to give people a reason to log on and stay logged on.

I don't really want to hijack Bali's thread to much - but i'm pretty much in agreement with this...When I say I full loot, i mean it in terms of 'good' sets. I pretty much always leave people with non-rares/basic rares, maybe taking a weapon or two and a container in that situation.

I don't think the problem is looting..I think the problem is infact how important the loot is. I posted elsewhere that I really feel we should have diminishing returns as equip gets better, not exponential increases. The gap is so big between average rares and the elite sets, that you can't really compete in most situations if someone is decked out and your in an average set. Deal with this problem, so that the easier gained, commonplace rares are worth something, and people will be able to get back on their feet quicker and thus it won't be such an issue if they get looted.

I've recently been going on a bit of an ID trail, iding everything, including stuff I never ever see people using. What i've come across is a HUGE amount of equip, both rare and non-rare, which pretty much serves no purpose. I know it would be a big job, but maybe if it could be done slowly, area by area, we could increase the amount of equipment in the game that is PKable, meaning people wouldn't constantly be getting stressed out if their rares were looted/sacced etc..

[Imoutgoodbye]

bah nevermind....stupid idea anyways...this game's so complex sometimes with balance, especially with the different mindsets and approaches. Suffice to say, my idea was lopsided and not well thought out.

[Quigt]

Whether you think it's okay to full loot or not, what's important is to set an example by not getting bent out of shape about it. If anybody's going to learn anything from experienced players, then that should be it. As for what I think about full looting, I think it goes like this: the game is meant for people to have fun. If what you're doing takes the fun away from everybody else, then you have to stop it, or GTFO. The secret there is not letting anybody take the fun away from you, and being able to laugh at getting your s**t stomped.

[goldbond]

Rowdy Roddy Piper's talk show was so freaking hilarious.

[myrek]

A couple things I forgot in my earlier posts:

1. It took me forever to learn to PK, too.

2. I still can only PK with certain classes.

3. Getting to 50 is not a god given right.

4. The best way to kill a level 50 necromancer is to condeath them at 20.

5. If the glory days were full of "griefers", why is there more crying now?

6. I think there is an Imm given definition of multi-kill; and I think it doesn't apply at 50.

[Aulian]

In personal experience I do believe that in some cases things are taken WAY beyond what I believe to even be remotely good manners/good player behaviour.

This is the example that springs to mind:

I was playing with Dumela before I got leader, probably at veteran level if I remember right, so thats about 6-7 months ago.

I had just been in a HUGE pk battle with Byrsypherus - it was truely epic and at the end I won by MINIMAL amounts of HP. Im talking I had about 50hp left. Because of the epicness of the pk and the effort/time we spent battling and cussing at each other I (and still do mostly) decide that in these circumstances people deserve their eq, no matter station/creed/power.

Woe to me when leaving the area to patch up and recover from the epic battle I didnt notice (during the battle) my addiction (could of been thirst) hurting me and when the hour passed, I died. To my horror and disgust - even having left Byryspherus' things, another tribunal - someone who I dont remember the name, (but i'll find you! ) but refused to fight me - took EVERYTHING I had.

COMPLETE and utter FULL LOOT. Even after Byrs told him to return it. From that point on I decided that no matter how fair the battles were being played, life insurance was going to be a BIG part of that characters life. Loosing a set you put alot of time into by something like that is not nice. No matter how you try and spin it.

So forgive me in saying that looting is not in the good spirit of the game in a lot of cases. In some cases it is the only thing to do also.

[Pali]

A couple things to keep in mind regarding full loots...

If you've got a god-set, you've got enough skill to get it back later after losing it. Deal with the loss, start getting lesser rares and build your way back up.

If you don't have a god-set, but instead a more average set of rares, you won't have a hard time getting them back. In my experience, 90% of full loots are the person takes and keeps the two things they want and sacs everything else. Guess what that means? The mobs have it again. Go kill the mob twice and you've got it back. If it's not god eq from somewhere like Dess/Gear, you should be able to do this just fine on your own.

Maybe it's just that I don't die very often, and so the rare times I die and get full looted don't bother me all that much (dying still bugs me more than eq loss), but all the whining about full loots just irritates me and makes me want to full loot more so people get more used to it. Good thing I'm working on a necro now and can do it real easy, eh?

[Anoneemus]

I can't believe people just can't stop talking about full loots.

Look, I am in agreement that full looting should not be a part of the game. But, it is, and always has been. Just because I don't like it doesn't mean I won't do it. If I find a piece of eq which seems WAY too good to be in the game, what am I going to do? Sacrifice it for the sake of honor and balance? No way, I'm going to equip it because it's part of the game. I don't like all this talk of "Oh, we fought a hard battle and I respected him so much I left his stuff". You respected him, your sworn enemy? If you really respected him, wouldn't you maybe have done him the favor of letting him keep his life instead of his gear?

I am not saying I always full loot, but I do always take the good rares. Caballed characters get full looted 100% of the time unless I am in Syndicate, I don't care if they're wearing mithril or what. I don't full loot to "teach them the ropes" or "to grief them", I do it purely because I know we'll fight again, and when we do, I want their eq to be as poor as possible to give me the best chance of surviving. Simple. Easy. Done.

[Aulian]

From another thread - im finding it hard to put across what I mean

Personal views: I dont really care about full looting. I can do it to alot of people and will loose eq now and then - re-equipping is something I find incredibly easy, even the winter/deso/discord things.

Personal standpoint: We can play characters (those of us with a bit more experience) that can kill a lot of the pbase, leave them completely naked indefinately and continuously. This is where my problem with full looting comes in. Even if they have a good set.. I dont agree.

Another huge personal preference of mine is that if we have an epic fight. Your things remain yours as a token of respect and recognition.

Meh.

Touchy topic.

[Pali]

If I have an epic fight... they DEFINITELY lose it all. It's the people who weren't any threat who find eq still on their corpse.

[Aulian]

If I have an epic fight... they DEFINITELY lose it all. It's the people who weren't any threat who find eq still on their corpse.

Meh im the complete oppisite. I play the game to have epic battles. I dont want to walk over people or be walked over. I want it to be intense and drawn out, each struggling for survival.

Thats the very best of this game for me. Sitting on the edge of your seat whilst your both screaming at your screen hoping he dies from your dirts scratch cause you know you'll die next round after having been evenly matched for the last hour and a half.

If I get that... I want it again. And again. And again. They keep their eq.

(and obviously if someone get steamrolled and they arent a threat you just caught unprepared. ((and they don't have a bad mouth.)))

[Pali]

If I have an epic battle, I want it to be because the other player is as good as I am, not because he's got good eq. If he's as good as I am, he can get his eq back, and we'll have more epic fights later. If he's not as good as I am, and all he is is his eq, then he needs to learn how to be good without it.

EDIT: And being caught unprepared is not all that causes you to get smashed. I've wiped the floor with many a person who was fully prepped for battle, but simply made bad tactical choices once it began.

[samag08]

Wow a thread about a character gone and here we end up. "Bali - where is that toon of the guy beating the dead horse with a stick, eh?"

I am starting to come to the idea that most threads end up in this sad state. Maybe we should :

A.) Make full looting MANDATORY!

B.) Impossible. Make all items crumble when you get killed so no one gets them. Now THERE'S a concept.

C.) Keep things the way they are like they HAVE BEEN since we all started playing this mud back so many years ago and fell in love with AND learned to deal with when that sad death came. If full looting was so tough then NONE of the vets would have stuck around so long to make this great game what it is.

Sorry if this sounds harsh, but this really is getting old, and I HATE to see a thread like this derailed in such a fashion.

[Djriacen]

Agreed, this is a delete post.. Start a new thread.

[Kyzarius]

my comments were not about fuill looting, more so about being an asshat when you kill people.

though It is ironic that the community takes it to full looting when the discussion is left open.

[goldbond]

it probably all boils down to the simple fact that the long time players here had much simpler lives with much more time on their hands as kids when they started playing FL. i.e., some of them might have actually gone to public school and even had a teen job. that would represent the average extent of the "busiest" person playing this game.

fast forward 8 years. most of us have at least college + job. some of us have a real job, and some even have real job + wife/kids. simple fact that their time value inflation has skyrocketed. you FL them, you just decreased the probability of that character saddling right up and spending a few hours re-suiting. thus that character and most likely that player will be MIA. this really isn't hard to understand.

what i'd like to see from some of you FullL-or-die fundamentalists is a little bit of acknowledgement of what i just said.

[samag08]

The more you put in the more you get out, simple. I have 2.9 kids(Girl on Aug 16. ) and have worked anywhere from 40-90 hrs a week over the past few years. I end up foregoing sleep time to get my fix of FL. My current char has a few hours shy of 300 hrs with no pdeaths at all. Hence no full lootings. It's called being cautious/smart/thoughtful/etc IG. Make wise choices when you DO have time to play. If I am DUMB and let myself get killed IG then I need to spend the time it takes to requip, simple once again.

[Ex-D&Der]

Heh I don't know about you guys but all this is making me want to PLAY!

[Pali]

It's making me want to full loot people.

[Iusedtobesomebody]

It made me just full loot the mailman.

[Anume]

Keep in mind that there is already a full loot or not thread and this is Evangelion's goodbye Tiernan thread.

So let's stay on topic please. Post your full loot or not ideas on the appropriate thread.

[Pieman]

Ya, we've already talked, but I'll miss Tierry. Saddest part is that without Tiery or Kerry like 2/3s of the suicide squad is gone

Also, IUTBS I believe the mailman had my monthly dirty mag in his sack. Would you leave it outside town in the woods somewhere so I can retrieve it without worrying about thieves/ninjas?