Imoutgoodbye Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 I have decided that there is still way too much emphasis on PK. Apparently if you're not part of the warfare, not constantly active in PK battles, you don't deserve recognition. That's the message that seems to be coming through here. This is extremely disconcerting. Herald, though I won't join it because I don't have the time to dedicate towards writing tomes and what have you, not to mention I don't want to mix my love with my hobby, is still an extremely important cabal. I don't like seeing them brushed off like this, which is why at one point I considered having them integrated into the other cabals via bards. So, I figure we have a few options. We can give them a HUGE tone up of some sort (not that they really need it, they're pretty well set in that department, technically) and make them part of the warfare, though it doesn't make sense. Or, and this is the part where I'm extremely open to suggestions, we can do something to swing the player bases attitude about Herald around by somehow taking some emphasis from PK. Why has everyone forgotten that every time something big goes down, Herald was in the middle of it, bringing us information? This world would be FUBAR without Herald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rensvert Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 I will have to agree with you there, I mean Palwen is probably around more than anyone else that I can think of in a cabal, or at the very least the one that I see the most. Rens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deykari Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 I don't think anybody is brushing off Herald. It still has active members, and usually does have. It's just sort of a forum joke really where people have a dig at Herald. PK is definitely not rewarded 'more' than RP, RP is also heavily rewarded. As for the poll... well, you can't really put Herald in 'most powerful PK cabals' poll can you, if it's not really actively involved in PK and cabal warfare? Dey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imoutgoodbye Posted July 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Well, maybe I'm just reading it wrong then. I forget how much Herald gets joked about, but there's something behind those jokes, I am convinced of that. And at no point will I say PK is more rewarding than RP from a personal standpoint. I just think the Player Base in general has this idea that there is FAR more gratification and respect to be had from PK. I don't know...maybe I just woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. But something is definitely bothering me and I can't quite put my finger on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deykari Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 There may appear to be a lot more talk about PK than RP simply because PK is much more measureable. You can say like "Yeah, Evangelion is absolutely **** because he keeps dying due to silly mistakes" or "Deykari absolutely decimated that gang of 5 Nexus Ogre Warriors, naked. He wasn't wearing any EQ either" and get a feel for who is powerful and who isn't. Much harder with RP. I mean, you can say that character X roleplays well, or doesn't, and that's about it - you can't have a big theoretical debate about how best to 'roleplay' somebody like you can with PK. I have a lot of respect for good PKers and the majority of what I discuss here is usually about PK, because game mechanics and that sort of debate are mostly affiliated with the PK system as opposed to RP system. Having said that, a good PKer that doesn't roleplay immediately loses all respect, and I have more respect for solid roleplay than I do solid PK. Dey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raargant Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 It's essentially what Deykari said. In PK, there are winners and losers, and therefore, there is inherently room for ego-boosting, trash talking, etc. etc. There are no winners or losers in RP; everyone is a winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoneemus Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 It's essentially what Deykari said. In PK' date=' there are winners and losers, and therefore, there is inherently room for ego-boosting, trash talking, etc. etc. There are no winners or losers in RP; everyone is a winner.[/quote'] Or, if you believe the words of my girlfriend, everybody is a loser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raargant Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Or' date=' if you believe the words of my girlfriend, everybody is a loser.[/quote'] _______________________ A pilgrim on his way to a new city saw an old man at the outskirts of the city and hailed the old man. "What are the people in this city like?" He asked the old man. The old man looked at him and asked, "What were the people in your previous home like?" "Why, they were wise, fair, and good of heart," the pilgrim said. The old man nodded. "You'll find the people here to be much the same." Some time later, a second pilgrim to the city also stopped by and hailed the old man, with the same question. "What are the people in this city like?" The second pilgrim asked the old man. The old man asked, "What were the people in your previous home like?" "Wicked, deceitful, and full of sin," the second pilgrim said. The old man looked at him, then shrugged. "You'll find the people here to be much the same." _______________________ 5 points to anyone who can tell me where this parable is originally from. 1 extra point to anyone who can tell me the meaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aulian Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 I'll take the 1 then. Our perceptions will determine how we see people. If we believe people are inherently evil, or we have a tendency to only see the worst in people then that is what we will ever see no matter if the people change or the location changes. Much the same for the reverse I would imagine. EDIT: So in relation to this; people who percieve PK as the be all and end all will only ever judge by that. Much the same to RP. They will only find value in what they percieve to have value and this is subjective to each persons own perceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imoutgoodbye Posted July 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 I'll take the 1 then. Our perceptions will determine how we see people. Much more accurate than my idea. I was thinking we'll find what we expect to find, especially if we're looking specifically for that. An inclusion/exclusion ideal that's selective. EDIT: I can't seem to get my words together today. Or my thoughts. I should just stop posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hegemon Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 That's "The Right Kind of People", Raargant, I made that same post years ago. EDIT: Also, you butchered it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raargant Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Don't feel bad, Valek. There's a number of correct answers to this, although Aulian's was a very good one. The other is this: How you perceive the people around you often exposes more regarding yourself and your character, rather than them and theirs. Aulian still gets the point though. Now who wants the five?! Ah, you did post Markham's poem a long time ago. Cheater. I butchered it intentionally so it couldn't be Googled. Oh well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deykari Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Don't feel bad' date=' Valek. There's a number of correct answers to this, although Aulian's was a very good one. The other is this: [i']How you perceive the people around you often exposes more regarding yourself and your character, rather than them and theirs. Aulian still gets the point though. Now who wants the five?! Ah, you did post Markham's poem a long time ago. Cheater. I butchered it intentionally so it couldn't be Googled. Oh well Markhams poem!!! P.S - I don't have a clue. Dey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hegemon Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Since there were no rules laid down, there can be no cheating Raargant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myrek Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 bah! FL w/o PK is a chat room. FL w/o RP is Diablo. Both extremes are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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