HP's

[BigPapa]

Does anyone have an avg HP per Race, kind of like max rolls for newbs.

I have a 47 Minotaur warrior with 750 Hps?

Where should Minotaur's be at 50?

Stone Giant? I am avg less than 20 per level, or under 1000 at 50?

What are low con races like elves and drow? 550-600?

It would be nice to see, and I know they aren't all the same, and equipment can add quite a few as well as training HP at 50...

[a-guitarist]

A few things come into account when earning HP. I can't give away all the secrets and specifics but some generalizations:

Some classes get more HP per level regardless of race. Some races get more HP because of con. Add in that a high con will get you more, and a certain class will get you more, you get EVEN more!

Ogres are an exception to this, in a way. As they get a bonus to HP without the highest con in the game. Their 24 con is the same as a Stone Giants, but Ogres will get more. It's a perk of the race.

So, as a warrior with a 23 con, you should have roughly 900 at 50 (with trains), which is my guess. I just eyeballed the amount.

As a berserker? 1200 No problem. Or so I hear. I've decided that Necros have the worst HP. So, look at the spectrum, make a Human Necro, rank a few times. Rank the same with a Human Zerk, and see the difference. A good way to calculate what your average HP gain a level is, is to do this:

Remove all your equipment, take in how much HP you have. If you've got 750 naked, that is your raw hp. Now, subtract the basic HP you get at start... Minos are...50? So, 700. Now, divide by your level, minus one. So, 700/46 = 15.2 and that's your average gain. Then to extrapolate multiply it by 49 and add your base hp again! Without trains, you'll be batting at about 795 hp at 50. As a minotaur you should have a decent amount of trains at 50 (at least four) so add at least 40 hp to that.

I must have the CRAPPIEST luck when leveling, because I always get crap HP gain on level. Not just crap in general, but the worst for each race/class combo. And, I almost am sure to have as high a luck as possible (which I'm sure has some factor in HP gain, as it affects just about everything else: training, skil/spell success, anatomies, etc.)

a-g

[Pali]

Also, don't forget to factor in the amount that any trains you have can be put into hp, increasing your max.

For instance, if you level a faerie invoker to 50, chances are you'll have at best around 500 hp naturally. But if you drop enough trains into that hp, you can have more like 600 or so.

[BigPapa]

Thanks, I appreciate the feedback.

Just seems like what I get vs what I see on some of the deleted posts don't quite jive, asin they always have more. Could be equipment or some know that certain spells they never use so they save the practices and it adds up...

[Mudder]

I would like to add... Con isn't always such a big determining factor... Or so i've noticed. It helps. Don't get me wrong, low con means lower hp gains... But higher con doesn't necessarily mean higher gains. *boggle* Am I making sense?

[a-guitarist]

No. But, you are.

More of a breakdown: Higher con always means higher gain, but other factors can drop it. Lower luck probably does. Other factors as in yoru base con may be 25, but if equipment drops it to 22, you'll get a con of 22's hp.

However, class has a LARGE (very large) influence on hp gain. An ogre warrior will never get teh same HP as an ogre zerk. On the flip side, a Dwarf warrior won't get more HP than a Mino Zerk, even though he has 2 more con.

a-g

[Mudder]

Actually I was eluding to the fact that race is one of the largest factors i've noticed. (aside from the Zerk/Necro problem) ..And again, i'm not referring to con.

[Celerity]

Yeah...

class > race > stats in terms of importance

remember that it autocorrects itself, so if you get low hp gains in the first ranks, you'll get higher ones later...everyone ends up with almost the same hp as they should

a zerk and war will have very different hp, even if the same race + con + luck, etc

a fire giant and minotaur will have somewhat different hp, even if their stats and class are similar

two fire wars will have slightly different hp if their con/luck/stats are different (unless something extreme like +/-5 con)

I always thought that bmgs had the lowest hp, but I'm not really sure...

[a-guitarist]

Aside from race (stats), class and luck, there isn't anything at all that can modify hp gain per level (minus that one perk which is HORRIBLE to take). Not that I can think of at least. Oh, I should mention that I don't take into account trains and converting practices to trains in this whole scenario. That way I don't have some Gnome throwing my data off.

Celerity, I've never played a Bmage for any length of time before. I just hate waiting till level 31 for solo ability with any consistency. But, I'm fairly sure it's Necros, then Bmages, then maybe thieves/blademasters/bards, but I can't recall. Haven't done the math in ages. Haven't had that many characters above level 30 in ages. Ah,the good ol' days.

I guess I'm gonna have to just start compiling the data. 'cause now it's really bugging me.

a-g

[Celerity]

Race is a different 'stat' than stats...

of course stats are included in race

for example

if I have a mino and human war, both have 20 con (I didn't train my mino up)

they will get different hp per level

so, race is an important factor by itself

by stats I mean con/luck/perk/whatever

[Aulian]

There are SO many variables in HP gain... SO many you'd be shocked...

Also.. CON plays a more important role (atleast I've found) in HP REGENERATION rather then gain. Start loosing that con and it takes you MUCH longer to heal up.

[corpsestomp]

During one of the Halloween dealie-do's, I rolled up each class for a human. The necro got right around 40 hp less at pinn than a voker or bmg. Yuck.