Armandeigo

[Zrothum]

Deleted.

Thanks to all who interacted with me the past couple days. This was my only character left here, it's now gone. Fun while it lasted, but the game just doesn't seem to be my cup of tea anymore. Maybe I'll try something again later, but after stopping cold turkey for a few months it's hard to get the mojo going again.

Glad to see some of you all are still around though. :-)

[The Professor]

Ahh, a shame you did not stick around longer. No need to delete, just step away from it, clear your head a bit, then come right back. Well, I am sure your next will be just as good, if not, more so.

[Evangelion]

What the fudge nuggets?

Who, other than me, deletes a vampire?

[Pali]

Ahh' date=' a shame you did not stick around longer. No need to delete, just step away from it, clear your head a bit, then come right back. Well, I am sure your next will be just as good, if not, more so.[/quote']

Personally, I hate coming back to a char after not playing them for a significant period of time... it's just impossible for me to get back into them. And I fully applaud the decision to delete a qrace if you don't feel like playing them regularly... such spots should be preserved for players who will provide a regular showing.

[f0xx]

To be honest, your playstyle seemed a bit "trashy" to me, that combined with the fact that you were playing to strongest qclass in the game, seemed a bit odd.

I personally think you could do much better, as in-game behaviour and RP and I really hope you stick around to prove it

Good luck.

[Kyzarius]

A pity.

Look forward to your next.

[WarriorCleric]

To be honest, your playstyle seemed a bit "trashy" to me, that combined with the fact that you were playing to strongest qclass in the game, seemed a bit odd.

I personally think you could do much better, as in-game behaviour and RP and I really hope you stick around to prove it

Good luck.

As fashionable as it may be to take pot shots at Zroth, and fun, he has played a number of characters that have shown he is more than capable of being an upstanding sort of pker. I'd be willing to put down some cps on that you were just on the receiving end of the character.

The character being a visible level 50 vamp, a bloodthirsty, pk centric, quest class. I'm not saying it's impossible for a trash vampire to exist, but to get the class you have to prove your RP, prove your consistency with RP, before and after receiving.

I don't mean to derail the thread, but I just don't think it's very fair to call how someone played one of there characters as 'trashy' without supplying a list of your characters to be nit picked.

WC

[f0xx]

I'd be willing to put down some cps on that you were just on the receiving end of the character.

That is quite the answer I was expecting, just for your information, no I wasn't on the recieving end. Besides what do my characters matter? When someone who is playing a qclass (even one that is as bloodthirsty as vamp), stalks hunting non-pinns and kills them while there are other pins of the opposite align in the lands, I see it as "trashy" PKing. This of course is just my own opinion and you are in no way obliged to agree with it.

[EyeSeeU]

That is quite the answer I was expecting' date=' just for your information, no I wasn't on the recieving end. Besides what do my characters matter? When someone who is playing a qclass (even one that is as bloodthirsty as vamp), stalks [u']hunting non-pinns and kills them while there are other pins of the opposite align in the lands, I see it as "trashy" PKing. This of course is just my own opinion and you are in no way obliged to agree with it.

Did you ever think he killed the non-pinns because he didn't really have any decent equipment to go and fight the opposite aligned lvl 50's in his range yet? I mean he did say he just started playing again... Which would lead me to believe he didn't come back fully pimped out in pwngear. Maybe if he did it multiple times to the same people hunting, then it would be trashy, but once, no way man, thats just smart. I would do the same.

[Kyzarius]

This "you suck because you killed non-pinns" attitude is just wrong.

NON-pinns not only hold equipment often times that pinns are having to look for (and fight for) in regards to rares/unique items, but they are also ICly characters existing in the FL world.

Now, Im not one to go after and multi-kill/full loot people 8 ranks my lesser, but I also will kill them for piece or two of armor, or if my rp dicates, use brute force to get my ideaology across.

Not to mention that EVERYONE gets hunted, trumped, and scattered by pinns when they reach that 42-50 lvling range.

Add to it that Non-pinns tend to talk the most smack as they run and hide than any other lvl character.

PLUS there is nothing icly, in my eyes, wrong with assaulting foes before they reach there full strength. It undermines your enemies, breaks their spirit, and is truly something that any pk active character (one who has no respect for life, or has no respect for the lives of evils) will do.

The gods have lifted their protection from you when you get into pkill range, plain and simple.

Your enemy will always attack at one of two times, when you are not ready and when they have an advantage.

[f0xx]

Did you ever think he killed the non-pinns because he didn't really have any decent equipment to go and fight the opposite aligned lvl 50's in his range yet? I mean he did say he just started playing again... Which would lead me to believe he didn't come back fully pimped out in pwngear. Maybe if he did it multiple times to the same people hunting' date=' then it would be trashy, but once, no way man, thats just smart. I would do the same.[/quote']

Do you really think I would have called him trashy if that was the case?

PLUS there is nothing icly, in my eyes, wrong with assaulting foes before they reach there full strength. It undermines your enemies, breaks their spirit, and is truly something that any pk active character (one who has no respect for life, or has no respect for the lives of evils) will do.

The gods have lifted their protection from you when you get into pkill range, plain and simple.

That is YOUR opinion. In my eyes, it is wrong and it drives away players, especially new ones. When the strongest qrace in FL comes and completely walks over a character that is hunting, 5 ranks bellow and FULLY LOOTS his anyway crappy wares who are even set for a class which the qrace player has no interest in getting, this is when I call someone trashy.

I will stop posting here now, this is getting a bit flamey and that is not how I want it to be.

[WarriorCleric]

That is quite the answer I was expecting' date=' just for your information, no I wasn't on the recieving end. Besides what do my characters matter? When someone who is playing a qclass (even one that is as bloodthirsty as vamp), stalks [u']hunting non-pinns and kills them while there are other pins of the opposite align in the lands, I see it as "trashy" PKing. This of course is just my own opinion and you are in no way obliged to agree with it.

If you weren't on the receiving end then you're branding the trash iron based on hearsay? Either he pked you, or caused one of your groups to disband, either way would put you on the receiving end of it, if neither happened, then you really have no place calling someone trash.

Never mind the fact that he could have had a viable rp reason to stomp the nonpinn, like religion (as an undead, my first targets are purity and nature players, then I'll think about mister tranquility.), or history (have those two ever fought before?), or misc rp (did that nonpinn mouth off to Armandeigo?). What about greed? Did the non pinn have a bounty on his head? What about clan/cabal obligations? I've received a lot of notes from my elders/superiors while in clans/cabals telling me that so and so is a member of Sacred Oak or Despair or a Warmaster, and should be treated accordingly.

We don't know, and admittedly neither do you. And as to what your characters have to do with this, if I were a more church going person I'd say 'Do not judge lest ye be judged.' but since I'm not I guess what I'd say is it must be hard to remember all your flaws when you're sitting so high up on your horse, because I'm sure you've never killed anyone who was a lower level than you.

It's not a lightweight insult to call someone trash or trashy, it's a pretty drastic and brazen remark. And if that's what you think qualifies someone as trashy, killing nonpinns or just breaking up your groups then in the words of Grishnak, toughen up, buttercup.

WC

[EyeSeeU]

Grishnak is the MAN!!!

[tassinvegeta]

I remember the days when Azun would constantly hunt down my non-pinnacles. I'd speak with him in hopes he'd understand that I'm not worth his time. I'll never forget his reply, Azun tells you "and you think this conversation will stop me from hunting you?" Oh man these words sent shivers down by bones because it seems like he already knew what I was thinking and trying to do. In my opinion actions such as these actually strengthen rp. Evil characters are there to make your life worse, fl can be a dangerous place and the fact that players of today now have a larger abundance of these views as to what is considered trashy and what isn't really irks me. Complaining didn't seem to be so big when I was coming up, heck I nearly never complained. This game has become alot more forgiving now and I wonder what the heck happened over the years?

[EyeSeeU]

Amen!

[Iusedtobesomebody]

boo hoo. I been on the receiving end and i've taken out full groups while they were ranking. it's part of the HARSH and VIOLENT world we play in. you will die. you will die by people above and below your rank. you will die with shabby gear. you will die in the best gear. if I have an RP reason (which falls into either GOLD, GEAR or GLORY) to kill someone, guess what? I will attack whether you are ranking, sleeping, sitting RPing, lower rank, higher rank, unequipped, fully equipped, on the toilet, whatever. it's called pay attention and use the 'where' command frequently.

[EyeSeeU]

I knew there was a reason I liked you!

[The Professor]

Your opinion is well respected Pali, however, I think you misunderstood my statement. From your perspective I agree, but I see no sense in working hard to achieve something just to throw it away when you hit a few bumps in the road, thus, my post. I don't see how you thought I ment a "significant period of time" cause I didn't. I just ment, stop playing right then, clear your head, think of a solution to the problem, and "come right back"...shrug...

Everyone here has such strong opinions, sometimes it seems they are like a ravenous beast just waiting for any sign of prey.

[tassinvegeta]

boo hoo. I been on the receiving end and i've taken out full groups while they were ranking. it's part of the HARSH and VIOLENT world we play in. you will die. you will die by people above and below your rank. you will die with shabby gear. you will die in the best gear. if I have an RP reason (which falls into either GOLD' date=' GEAR or GLORY) to kill someone, guess what? I will attack whether you are ranking, sleeping, sitting RPing, lower rank, higher rank, unequipped, fully equipped, on the toilet, whatever. it's called pay attention and use the 'where' command frequently.[/quote']

Even on the toilet? Lol brutal. But I like your style

[Twinblades713]

Even on the toilet? Lol brutal. But I like your style

It's the best way to kill someone.

[Zrothum]

The fact is that if you are who I think you are, foxx....I gave you the option to accept the Mark or to be killed. You mocked me, died, and then accepted the Mark.

I'd say my RP won.

edit: after re-reading your posts foxx i see you said you weren't on the receiving in...........so why again are you talking at all? lol I never stalked non hunting pinns. I made plenty of threats to them. Those who denied the Mark were killed on sight. I didn't go looking for them. I found a non pinn goodie invoker in the sewers and killed them. I found a ranking necro in the caverns and killed them. I also killed Rihler a few times. If anything I did could be considered wrong - it would be Rihler. However, I'd argue that he killed me twice, once while grouped with a paladin, and once on his own. He deserved what was coming to him thru his actions and his RP.

[Evangelion]

Think of pre-pinn killing this way:

Pinnacled Player A is a king. You are a lord, making your way up through the ranks of the nobility. Until you can garner enough support to get rid of King A, then you need to bend knee when he asks/tells you to do something. Not because you agree with it or like it, but because if you don't, he's going to send you to the dungeon.

If a pinnacled character in your PK range gives you an ultimatum, expect to be made a martyr when you try to stand up to them.

Be nice, shower them with praise, be polite, be subservient. And then stab them in the back the minute you hit 50.

[Mindflayer]

My two cents...

I like FL because it's a dangerous place. Danger = excitement in my mud world. (Guess how many Heralds I've played.) In fact, I hope I make it more dangerous with my character. Accusing Zrothum of bad RP because he killed a member of a pre-L50 hunting party is bad form itself. If anything (assuming this was the case), it's usually harder to face two/three people alone, and it's a blast. If you have the means, I suggest you try it.

Foxx, no disrespect, but I don't agree with you here.

[Zrothum]

For the record....I'm not too sure I like everyone defending me...it feels.....weird.

Someone get offended at my awesome muscles and tell me I have man boobs or something.

[Mudder]

I had very limited interaction with Armandeigo, or if I had I don't remember it. That is why I have not commented until now. Though I disagree with the common tone of this thread.

As a lvl 50, hunting pre-50s is bad form without a damn good reason. If there are other 50s around that said person SHOULD be hunting, it's even worse. If lvl 50 decided to full loot pre-50 for merely the sake of being a prick. That is trashy.

To those who have said that "fighting a whole group" is tough and challenging. You are retarded. A lvl 50 with good eq can EASILY steamroll a group of 3 pre-pinns in crappy eq. Notice I said easily steamroll. Not even remotely a challenge, such tactics should be reserved for RP reasons or DK's getting malforms

Also, Qrace/Qclass obtainees ARE held to a higher standard than the "average" player and should be a prime example of how people should act through RP and PK. Such is not always the case and I think that is a shame.

All in all. I have no idea how Armandeigo played his character. So I will not comment. Though I will say that the accusations against him (If true) are very solid and in my opinion express trashy play. People who have quoted Azun and others who did the same, or worse, then guess what? They were trashy. Since when does being an old char that did well make you immune to the judgment of classy PK?

This world is dangerous. This world is brutal. Though PKing with class does not make it any less of either. It just makes the game more fun. Something we should ALL be interested in achieving.

EDIT: I would also like to add that some of the 1.0 "Elites" were incredibly trashy in their game play in both RP and PK. Standards have changed, IE: risen, since those times just as the RP/PK abilities have risen. So comparing how people played in those days to how people play these days really shouldn't be done.