Armandeigo

[Anume]

Why do threads always have to go that way. Sometimes I feel like I'm in pre-school with you guys here

1. If you have a problem with someone's behavior, bring it to the IMMS (prayer forum / in game note). It is not acceptable to call someone "trash" in a goodbye thread. That in itself will get you a little vacation, so enjoy.

2. As to rank 50s killing lowbies:

If you are in their range, expect to be attacked. That is what gives the thrill to gaining your last couple titles (esp. for the poor high exp things out there like elven pali / drow ninja, etc.).

HOWEVER if we (the Imms) see (hear of) someone repeatedly picking on ranking groups and / or multikilling lowbies we will step in. ESPECIALLY if it is a qrace or something like a SIGIL.

3. As to qrace/class behavior in general:

- qraces / classes should never "gang", this includes applicants

- their rp should be above average

- they should go out of their way (with rp) to try to avoid multikilling the same char more than 2 / 3 times, depending on circumstances (In those instances where it can't be avoided like cabal wf or the char attacking them again and again, they should still try to rp with them rather than kill them the xth time.)

[tassinvegeta]

Classy PK? Lol I still don't believe in the word. This is a fantasy world where reasons for pk are hughely varied. Players come to muds to immerse themselves into characters that they could only dream of otherwise. Whom is to say if one persons perspective is more right or wrong than anothers?

And I don't know about you but I have tons of fun picking on non-pinnacled chars.

[mya]

Great character. Sure it was a lot bloodthirsty, even before your break.

But i loved the way you just didn't care went in, trying to bringing a smackdown.

"However, I'd argue that he killed me twice, once while grouped with a paladin"

This one made me roll my eyes, as you engaged a giant bashing class with a Wrathing Paladin sidekick. A major spell for Vamp Disaster. But even then a the Vamp skillset gives him a chance if he lands you know what spell on the Giant.

About the Vampires Bloodshed and Massacres. What are you expecting from a Vampire ?

- He is supposed to be pure evil, to drink your blood and to "hump" your corpse in the most elite way. And guess what the code fully backs him up in extra bonus on this and that, and skill stuff you would kill to have on other characters.... coughcoughoverpoweredskillscoughcough....

You guys need to leave that sheep mentality of maybe he wont kill me, or he did not saw me. And start to be brutal to them.

If you see a Vamp and you think you cannot send him running, run opposite direction from your temple and Recall.

He caught, cursed you and you about to kick the bucket ? Eat a teleport pill and save face and probably equipment. (Log of and wait 16 min, then log on and loot pit.)

You see a Vampire hurt and hiding (lol, as if...) go in and hammer him.

You see him heading for your ranking zone, santuary everyone in group and go chase him.

You are fighting him, and sudently a Justice appears and engages him, to bad, who told him to be be bloodthirsty.

The idea is to not give quarter to him, because you can be sure that once his dark knight embraced Vampirism the game code stooped being fair for you.

And be grateful Zrothum was inexperienced with Vampires, because i can tell you Messalantha and Uhril were not so kind.

[Zrothum]

lets not get into this argument Mya. You and the giant were grouped. When I opened the door and saw you both there I started to run away. You guys came after me and bash/charged me lol

Other then that...thanks for the compliments

[tassinvegeta]

Is this a dream or are we all actually defending Zrothum?

[Zrothum]

Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. Maybe I'll stick around.

[mya]

"You and the giant were grouped. When I opened the door and saw you both there I started to run away. You guys came after me and bash/charged me lol"

Yes, we where doing Ice baron in Steel.

I "think" you sent me a message about asking about Ice or Winter. I GT that your might be aware of our location

My group mate caught you on where, i to a bit latter. We left the Baron alone and went near the door, that was locked.

We watched from *where* while you took 10 minutes to kill the Elite guard for the key.

Someone opened the door, i spamed and you died.

If you where not aware of us by "where" during 10 min... i will call you Noob .

Also, know that the guard room is inside Steel, but if you go Down you are in Winter zone.

I personalty love when a player decides to do something that can get him killed easily but if goes allright makes other think of "epic win".

I used to play a RvR Mud where people would go alone and try to stab people inside their adversary capital home cities. I am talking about a place where 8 vs 1 fights where common if caught and with locking city gates, and no recalls potions. This is why i respect a lot people that try to do "balls on the wall" things.

[Celerity]

Locking city gates...now THERE is an idea :D:D

edit: About the char in this thread---you are free to be super aggressive---just have to take the consquences (getting killed/looted a lot esp. when your (many) enemies log on at the same time)

but my experience with you was good and I didn't experience what these other people are talking about

maybe your playstyle needs something a little more defensive; how about a crusader next?

[Zrothum]

I was coming to RP. The question I asked you was if you were cold or not. I saw you guys on where but did not know it was the room right north of the door. I opened it, scanned and saw you guys, and went down (away from you guys). You two chased me and attacked me in a group. I never engaged you guys other then being in the area. After all the fights we had and they were utter stalemates, you think I'd risk a bashlock from a giant while trying to fight you as well?

[Zrothum]

; how about a crusader next?

That's a joke, right? lol I can't seem to have a sader and not get myself banned.

[Celerity]

you meddling kid(s) foiled my plot...sigh

[Zrothum]

Car in coke can

[Murat]

Good character and even helped teach my character about the mark cause i hadnt played since torment ripped me apart.On my project for the side character I cant say Ill miss the vamp but hope you keep playing and try to find something you can enjoy.

[Mali]

Pretty fast character but I had high hopes for Armandiego that did not get fulfilled. Seems like each time I log on one of my enemies has conveniently killed him or herself.

Do you have any stories or RP to tell about the way he went down?

[a-guitarist]

I just sent you the money order... and now you delete him. This will be reflected on your Ebay account, friend...

a-g

[Deykari]

ROFL Zrothum has man boobs.

PM coming your way.

Dey

[Zrothum]

Pretty fast character but I had high hopes for Armandiego that did not get fulfilled. Seems like each time I log on one of my enemies has conveniently killed him or herself.

Do you have any stories or RP to tell about the way he went down?

Now you got me wondering who you were lol I didn't have too many enemies.

Nah, no stories. Only played about 3 days since I returned...I did my part with the Mark thing, I was personally responsible for two people going and getting it. Don't honestly remember much of my earlier time with the character...it was months ago.

I'm still around....just dunno what to play. Maybe an avatar of some variety.

[Iusedtobesomebody]

I would also like to add that some of the 1.0 "Elites" were incredibly trashy in their game play in both RP and PK. Standards have changed' date=' IE: risen, since those times just as the RP/PK abilities have risen. So comparing how people played in those days to how people play these days really shouldn't be done.[/quote']

Orealt? Maleki? Gorath? Such a broad statement to make, considering you didn't give names. C'mon, Mudder, I know you can do better.

coughcoughoverpoweredskillscoughcough....

Again, I ask (as I always do when you make this statement) have you played one? (and looking at your outdated code doesn't count) Viri's corvette/yugo comparison is SO accurate when applied to vampires.

combined with the fact that you were playing to strongest qclass in the game

There's 2 I would consider much stronger. Maybe it's just a common misconception people have. They're not all that. Play one, you'll see.

[Aulian]

There's 2 I would consider much stronger. Maybe it's just a common misconception people have. They're not all that. Play one' date=' you'll see.[/quote']

agreed.

[Deykari]

Whilst you both agree, I'm positive that IUTBS isn't thinking of Druid as one of them...

Dey

[Grosek_]

Orealt? Maleki? Gorath? Such a broad statement to make, considering you didn't give names. C'mon, Mudder, I know you can do better.

Again, I ask (as I always do when you make this statement) have you played one? (and looking at your outdated code doesn't count) Viri's corvette/yugo comparison is SO accurate when applied to vampires.

There's 2 I would consider much stronger. Maybe it's just a common misconception people have. They're not all that. Play one, you'll see.

Come on, the Vampires aren't overpowered thing is overstated. Vampires, when created way way way back, were the Pk'ers club elite. They were written for a very infantile mud (it was very new, not childish), to add draw and something to pine after... as well as something to tailor fit one coders desires. Said Coder was rarely without one. In fact, one of the names you mentioned was HIS vampire.

I received a vampire back then for having a good pk record alone. As you all know, I struggle at RP. (though I do try )

Now that does provide some proof that standards have raised. I only hope that the qclass itself has evolved along with the mud. With such mastery of things that comes with the mud being around for ages, there are a lot of higher echelon players. Back then, it was mainly the pseudo-newbs with very little knowledge of the workings of the game, the Imms, and then the Coders, that played. With such a nearly equal distribution of skill now, it would go without saying that a powerhouse Corvette class might reign supreme as... for the most part... players are pretty equal. Way back when, you had like 5ish players at most that would dominate... and everyone else would just try to catch up. Give one of the non-five a Vampire and you might just have given them a head start (I was one of the non-five give one, and it was awesome. I did die a lot but I managed to kill a few of the awesome people!!!diojefoij!)

I am just unsure if vampires fit the needs of the mud, nor am I sure they have for a long time. The RP aspect is great, but eh... Anyways, that is just my two cents. I am not an IMM, nor am I fully knowledgeable of the code. In fact, I am not at all.

I should probably eventually try to play one, to get a better feel for any changes... but I am lazy.

[Mudder]

Orealt? Maleki? Gorath? Such a broad statement to make, considering you didn't give names. C'mon, Mudder, I know you can do better.

Your right. It was a very broad statement. Though it wasn't one I expected to have to back up and provide examples of. You are right though. I shouldn't have thrown out such a controversial statement as "evidence" of support.

Let me go ahead give an example or two.

Llyros would kill non-pinned level 47 Shaman in awful eq. Over, and over, and over. I took 8 straight deaths in a row to him. There were others for him to fight at the time. He chose me. On the forum I was annoyed. "Dude. Let me hunt." He was congratulated by the Imms. They exclaimed, "Finally someone is playing an Avatar the way it should be played!"

I guarantee if you take that same scenario to our current p-base it would be considered trashy. The point I had meant to make was that standards for play have risen and changed. What back then was "Proper RP" is now bad form. I brought this up because someone said that Azun was killing pre-pinns over and over as "defense" of their argument and my point is that it was also trashy that they did that. Just, at the time it wasn't considered trashy.

The culture of the game has changed. I for one believe it has changed for the better.

[Iusedtobesomebody]

Myrek would kill non-pinned level 47 Shaman in awful eq. Over' date=' and over, and over. I took 8 straight deaths in a row to him. There were others for him to fight at the time. He chose me. On the forum I was annoyed. "Dude. Let me hunt." He was congratulated by the Imms. They exclaimed, "Finally someone is playing an Avatar the way it should be played!"[/quote']

An Elf AVATAR (read: aggressive anti evil) vs. a shaman (read: master of plagues and poison, curses and hexes.).

Hrmmm, I can see why he should have left you alone.

In all seriousness, an Avatar isn't your normal goodie-goodie. He sees evil in different terms. Perhaps 8 times is too many, I agree, but that was his RP. I know Myrek and watched him fight many people as Llyros- people much stronger than 47 shaman (Cabrden, Hersnaie, Trigomonis, Kimiko, etc.). So your one little instance isn't enough to name-drag that character.

[Mudder]

I by no means am saying that Llyros was a crap char and worthless for killing me so many times. I am -trying- to show the differences in our community and what is considered trashy between then and now. That is all. Lol. Apparently I am doing a bad job.

Though I guarantee if a DK kills a lowbie Elf over and over and over. He will be called trash and only trying to level up his malform. How is that any different from an Avatar?

[a-guitarist]

Vampires came over from AR with the code, by the by, Gorath was played by the first Vamp in AR (I think the char's name was Pragma). Viri may have changed the Vampire to "fit his needs", but I don't think you ever really talked with the guy on any level if you think he tailored the class so he could **** up the pbase. That wasn't his bag, baby.

As for rarely without one, I think Gorath was his only vampire, although I could be wrong. Not only that, I do know for a fact that he would tell Vampires how to use their abilities... further more, I know he would tell other people key things about their abilities. Before a big nasty Conclave was big nasty and Conclavey, he had an Avatar.... and was told "key" aspects of the race to help him along. I was told by Shadowspawn some weakness of Demons when I'd play them as my Morts... things the help files never said. I've never had a Vamp or an Avatar, so you know they're not me... and these people got no "special" treatment, either. I'm sure others were given to keys and told "by the way, the car handles better if you put Premium in the tank."

Another thing about "back then", is that the MUD was flourishing, or getting to that point. Many, many players meant a lot less time to sit and chat with all the applicants, so a lot were passed through, in my eyes. Big deal... look at the school system, if you can see a kid who can't read at a high school level and they're a senior in high school and applying for colleges.... why not a Vamp player that struggled with RP? Gotta learn somehow, and in my eyes the best way is, "sink or swim."

Why aren't there "sucky" Vampires? They don't make it to 50, first off. I've seen a few (not a lot, won't lie there, maybe two or three) that never made it Pinn. It's a learning curve. The cream of the crop usually get the Vamps, the Crusaders, the Psi's, etc. That's cause they know their crap, so they can be good with any class.... usually.

Anyways... as for trashy play in the old days... it was a different world entirely. Full looting had to happen, because if you didn't take the stuff from that guys corpse you just offed, your enemy would and he'd come looking for you. Also, if you're target got into your PK range again, and came near you... you better believe you offed him again. Why? He had a full cabal of friends re-equiping him, and his friends were usually in your PK range. Keep one guy naked and re-equiping, you've kept at least half the cabal helping him get gear again. Takes care of half your problem.

As for Llyros, he spanked me so many times it wasn't funny. Died to him... probably five times in an hour. But, that was Cabal warfare in the day... and I was a neutral warmaster. But you're right, the game changed for the better... because if it didn't we wouldn't be here. The game evolved to stay alive. If everyone was cut throat bastards today, we'd have less than 14 people on right now... because a lot of these are probably newer players than 1.0. Now, if we had 40 players on now... things would get more violent.

And being an IMM does tell you some things about the game... but not every IMM in the day had access to the code, and none of the lower level IMMs were told how everything worked. I'm sure IUTBS wasn't even told how everything worked down to the details. (I can only speak for 54 and lower, as I never got higher than that before quitting)

a-g

ah, not a flame, or a rant. Just a rehashing of my memories. No hard feeling towards anyone.