Malchaeius Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Who is the true idiot? The so-called idiot, or they who twice elect the idiot? I personally question how much of an idiot Mr. Bush really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Who is the true idiot? Carrot top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aulian Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Who is the true idiot? The so-called idiot' date=' or they who twice elect the idiot? I personally question how much of an idiot Mr. Bush really is.[/quote'] Undoubtedly, I am much to far away to give an accurate assessment but from what I have heard, seen and read about the man, he does not come across as the greatest president the united states have ever had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EyeSeeU Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Wow...Obama's supporters did far worse than just boo. Seriously, half of America just got brainwashed by another Clinton-smooth-talking clone. And right now, they are conducting an investigation to find out the real truth behind Obama's birth location. He has birth certificates from Hawaii, Colorado (not sure on that one), and Kenya. Whoop de f***in doo. We now have another democratic House, Senate, and Executive branch. Now all there is left is the Supreme Court majority to swing left. And right now I am pissed at my generation for having been so easily brainwashed. Seriously, college students are some of the worst voters ever. Dude Democrats are good with money, you need to chillout and get with the program here. I am sick of paying taxes that go to a War that we shouldn't be fighting at all now or ever. I am sick of the Rich getting Richer because they want to and can. I am sick of Bush lifting all these laws that protect our beautiful Earth just so his pockets can get bigger. I am sick of republicans in general because they need to smoke some of this pipe called reality. The idiots who elected Bush twice are worse, I never voted for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delfytheelfy Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Dude Democrats are good with money, you need to chillout and get with the program here. I am sick of paying taxes that go to a War that we shouldn't be fighting at all now or ever. I am sick of the Rich getting Richer because they want to and can. I am sick of Bush lifting all these laws that protect our beautiful Earth just so his pockets can get bigger. I am sick of republicans in general because they need to smoke some of this pipe called reality. The idiots who elected Bush twice are worse, I never voted for him. This is why I dont delve to much into politics... Why don't you chill out and respect his opinion?.. I don't agree with you but you don't see me bashing you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HouselessRogue Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Bush had good handlers. Too bad he had to speak and shatter the illusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Who is the true idiot? The so-called idiot' date=' or they who twice elect the idiot?[/quote'] Exactly the reasoning behind my belief that the American populace, as a whole, is fairly stupid and ignorant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudder Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Who is the true idiot? The so-called idiot' date=' or they who twice elect the idiot? I personally question how much of an idiot Mr. Bush really is.[/quote']Technically he won the popular vote only once. In 2000 he lost the popular vote. In 2004? Agreed. Idiots. What's worse? They knew they made a mistake and many of them decided to make the same mistake with McCain. Exactly the reasoning behind my belief that the American populace' date=' as a whole, is fairly stupid and ignorant. [/quote']See above. I was sorely disappointed in our country at that point in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Poet's Blade Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 One of the main reasons Bush was re-elected was because of the war. Many figured that he would be able to wrap it up and finish it, but he failed to do that. There are many other presidents that didn't do to well, but we knock Bush because he is here and now. I am neither right or left, blue or red, donkey or elephant, nor democratic or republican. Obama is the future we either look forward to or fear. I, personally, think he will do great things. To those that don't, get over it. You voted(if you didn't then don't even post a comment because you are useless and don't deserve an opinion in politics) and the favored person won. I voted for Obama, but if McCain won, I would back the President-elect and hope he can fix our problems today and of the future. EDIT: Parentheses, unless you are under age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 I still voted for McCain, but I DO hope Obama does good things. I'm not one of those who will remain bitter. I still have my opinion, but with it... optimism. I'd just be unhappy if I didn't. It's also amazing how politics pull out the a$$hattery in people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudder Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 One of the main reasons Bush was re-elected was because of the war. Many figured that he would be able to wrap it up and finish it' date=' but he failed to do that.[/quote'] Your right. Bush got re-elected because of the war but it had nothing to do with people thinking. It had to do with fears. We had the "terror alter" randomly alternating from high to super high, to remind people -be scared.- Then we had conservative propaganda circulating that "changing presidents during wartime is dangerous" blah blah blah. All a bunch of crap to play on people's fears. In the end, people didn't think. They were kept from thinking and the world paid the price. There are many other presidents that didn't do to well' date=' but we knock Bush because he is here and now.[/quote'] We knock Bush because not only is he one of the worst presidents, ever, but he flat out lied to the country. Now, it IS possible that perhaps Bush didn't know the full extent of his lies and that Cheney was behind all of it. Though I personally feel that if the President didn't know more than the VP about what is/was going on than he is still lying (because he just didn't know and he lied to say he did). EDIT: By the way. The lies? Those are fact. Not some crazy liberal conspiracy theory. They straight up LIED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EyeSeeU Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 This is why I dont delve to much into politics... Why don't you chill out and respect his opinion?.. I don't agree with you but you don't see me bashing you. Chill out? I am as cool as the other side of the pillow chief! I don't care if you do or don't agree, that wasn't the point of my post, he was bashing Obama, so I elected to bash his logic with simple facts that even those whom do not delve into politics can follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 See above. I was sorely disappointed in our country at that point in time. I am routinely sorely disappointed in our country. Last Tuesday may have been great in terms of the presidential election, but that same day three states voted to ban gay marriage, including California, because of BS religious notions about what marriage should be (ironically, in Cali support of the gay marriage ban came largely from the Mormons in support of "traditional marriage"... something the Mormons themselves didn't adhere to until they were forced to by law - in other words, the "traditional marriage" argument is BS... it's homophobia, pure and simple - EDIT: And this goes for the black community as well... it wasn't too long ago that a racially mixed marriage wasn't allowed, so you'd expect more sympathy for the gays there, but... nope, too religious and prejudiced because of it again). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Questioner Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Chill out? I am as cool as the other side of the pillow chief! I don't care if you do or don't agree' date=' that wasn't the point of my post, he was bashing Obama, so [b']I elected to bash his logic with simple facts that even those whom do not delve into politics can follow. [No Comment--I sense a flamefest about to erupt] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inscribed Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 i voted for bush both times. if i could go back, knowing what i know now, i'd do it again. of course the man had flaws. anytime you have a republican president expanding government and passing garbage like 'no child left behind', you know something isn't going right. i'm still confident that he performed much better than either of his two democratic opponents could have done though. as far as calling him 'one of the worst presidents ever'? not even close. lincoln, fdr, carter, harding, grant.... bush had a long ways to go before he came close to ranking with the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HouselessRogue Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 i voted for bush both times. if i could go back, knowing what i know now, i'd do it again. of course the man had flaws. anytime you have a republican president expanding government and passing garbage like 'no child left behind', you know something isn't going right. i'm still confident that he performed much better than either of his two democratic opponents could have done though. as far as calling him 'one of the worst presidents ever'? not even close. lincoln, fdr, carter, harding, grant.... bush had a long ways to go before he came close to ranking with the worst. Lincoln? What? I can't even wrap my mind around that one. Lincoln kept a country bent on war from shattering completely. Had he not the things that he did it is very possible that we would have been split for good. He is one of our better presidents. I don't see how you could make argument to the contrary. FDR. He only navigated the country through the great depression and a world war. Yeah, what a ****er. Served four terms and is consistently admired as one of the better presidents. How on earth could you call those two among the worst? I can't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 i voted for bush both times. if i could go back, knowing what i know now, i'd do it again. And also, I am not educated on past presidents enough to have a legitimate opinion of them. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 And also' date=' I am not educated on past presidents enough to have a legitimate opinion of them. :/[/quote'] Read more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Questioner Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 FDR. He only navigated the country through the great depression and a world war. Yeah, what a ****er. Served four terms and is consistently admired as one of the better presidents. How on earth could you call those two among the worst? I can't see it. Well at least Bush didn't agree to a military coup and then have secondthoughts while the cubans were fighting for their lives on the shores of cuba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexi Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 EDIT: Nevermind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudder Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 i voted for bush both times. if i could go back' date=' knowing what i know now, i'd do it again. [/quote'] See my, and Pali's, above posts. Anyone that legitimately believes this can easily claim ignorance... Because they cannot claim much else. (Maybe insanity) Well at least Bush didn't agree to a military coup and then have secondthoughts while the cubans were fighting for their lives on the shores of cuba. They weren't fighting for their lives. The Cubans knew they were coming and completely caught them off guard. They were all arrested and sent to prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Questioner Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 Here is a link... http://library.thinkquest.org/11046/days/bay_of_pigs.html so you can shut your piehole and stop spreading false statements. They pretty much had been backed up by FDR, your so-called great president, and fought valiantly on the shores of Cuba. If FDR was going to have coldfeet, maybe, just maybe, he should not have promised the air support he promised them. That just showed what lack of confidence FDR had, and has completely shown how a flip-flopping president is a danger to not only the country, but a danger for the people themselves. Mind you, those cuban fighters were all citizens of the United States, who had family members in Cuba. They wished to topple over a dictator that had held the country under an iron fist for nearly half a century. Who are we to say that their actions were wrong? The United States was founded upon treason, revolution, and sedition. Guess we just got lucky we won the war... And don't try to counter my arguments without factual proof anymore. I am sick and tired of people like you, mouthing off against me when I have an opinion. I never bash you, unless you bash me first. And to counter your last sentence mudder...90 of them gave up their lives for a vision of freedom. Have you ever thought of giving up your life? For the protection of your family, the constitution, your way of life and freedom? I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HouselessRogue Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 9/11 was preventable. The friggin' director of the FBI reported that they believed that an attack involving an aircraft was imminent, as well as known members of anti-American groups training to fly planes. It was ignored. Look what happened. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/17/eveningnews/main589137.shtml http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/40005/ https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/Executive%20Summary_OIG%20Report.pdf Katrina. Also preventable. The Bush Administration was warned that it could and would occur. That the levees could not withstand anything beyond a level 3 hurricane. We all know how that turned out. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/23/AR2006012301711.html http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5170713 http://www.gregpalast.com/hurricane-expert-threatened-for-pre-katrina-warnings/ Apples to apples then. Bush was a bad President. Even things that were not directly effected by his hand, he was the President and he will be remembered as such. I found a few things within moments. I have read some books and detailed accounts that show even more blunders by the administration. Questioner. I am not attacking you personally. I am stating my opinion and I am supporting it with documentation because, like you, I think you should have good information and not just make things up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Twendrist Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 Every President is going to have good and bad, because no one is perfect. FDR was a great man in my opinion for what he did for *this* country. Hell, we should stick with his policies regarding welfare and what not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myrek Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 Katrina was very preventable. Don't live below sea level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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