HouselessRogue Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 To me the lack of players is all about the learning curve. You cannot be effective in any aspect of the game until you learn the basics. Period. I have been playing off and on for almost seven years now and there is still plenty of things that I don't know. But that list has fast diminished over the past year. WHY? All the vets speak of a character finally making things click for them. Was this a level 25 char? No. It was a CABALED pinn. That is the only way to really understand this place. I know my skills in RP and PK have grown tenfold since I had my first serious cabal pinn. Prior to that I was making a ton of characters and playing none of them. Right now I feel competent enough to handle almost every encounter. Now, did I see win every encounter? No. But I can run like hell too! I think early entrance will help. You learn the most in a cabal with cabal mates to guide you. Does it suck to be in pre-50 warfare, sure, but you should be learning the whole time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Also, there will be a lot more caballed people which will eventually lead to larger battles, which in my opinion is something quite good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare_from_hell Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 So I log on my rank 35 char tonight and see this... You have been given a chance to apply to your clan's Cabal. I also see a rank 35 cleric get auto inducted into a cabal on the spot. I guess you guys have what you want. I hope it works out like you all have hoped. PS. (I declined for certain personal reasons/goals I wish to attain) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iusedtobesomebody Posted December 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 I am am advocate of the protection of information' date=' forcing people to explore, to learn the game and its mechanics through play...not guides and walkthroughs.[/quote'] We agree. I am not an advocate of the beat everyone into the dirt till they log off or harden up. This is the "Harden up Princess" approach as I have witnessed it over the last eight years. All this does is discourage new players' date=' chasing them away imho.[/quote'] Beating people in the dirt without remorse is not what I am advocating at all. Simply people fighting, logging it, finding out what they did wrong (or the other person did right) and coming up with a plan to remedy that situation. I know I always talk about 'multi-kill them', but in reality I only do that in certain situations. If I pummeled someone easily, in the midst of my RP with them, I would try and offer up a nugget or two on how they can improve. Unfortuantely, what I get most is 'I would have won if only I could have blah blah blah' or 'You would have never won if you didn't have blah blah blah'. They are rarely receptive. Their fault, not mine. So you can kill the guy who is barely able to walk across 'Miran without running into a wall over and over telling him he is weak the entire time as you full loot and sac his eq. These are the things that seem to grow from the "Harden up Princess" mentality. This is what reduces our head-count of active players. What reduces our count is graphical games, real life, people who grew up being pandered to, people who seem to think everything should be handed to them (and when they don't get it, they bad mouth the game, and leave anyways) and (i hate to say it because it's 'controversial') the 'dumbing down' of FL to accommodate them. In the other thread I said pretty much what Eshaine said on the 1st page of this one. People get into cabals early and never even reach 50. They get multi-kill-spanked into the dirt by their cabal enemies' date=' get discouraged, and delete-or-They get distracted by the cabal cap and retrieve game and never reach their pinnacle, get discouraged and delete.[/quote'] Which is most likely what they would do at the first sign of hardship at 50 as well. The habit the imms have developed of waiting till people pinn before inducting is really to encourage us all to get to 50 before getting involved in indepth pvp. Should we just make 1-49 no PK then? Those ranks matter to, or all the time we spend grinding through them, RPing, honing PK skills are worthless. Kyz, I respect you as a player, so please don't take any of this personally. I don't. You're just the only one who will debate me. I guess you guys have what you want. I hope it works out like you all have hoped. PS. (I declined for certain personal reasons/goals I wish to attain) Call it an experiment. If it fails, fine. Switch back and I won't peep one peep. But if it works... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhokril Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Esh and I decided to entertain this experiment. We'll see how it goes and work off of there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myrek Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 He said "sock hop". That's funny stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EyeSeeU Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 I just pretend I don't know anything, that way people never ask me about anything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBwillie Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Valganti inducted my Shaman at 42 just before I stopped playing last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest emp_newb Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Meh, anymore I try to help someone that I believe is struggling, or not getting the larger picture. Of course there will be rp tied to it. But it really helps out the environment to make sure newbs learn. Remember the first time you got decent gear? You felt invincible. Or that first time you fully trained all your defenses? Or any number of things that vets consider a requirement, or standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzarius Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 I am curious how we are going to handle standards with low lvls in cabals more frequently. You cannot defend from low lvl attacker, and if you have a standard anyone over lvl 5 can kill the weak altar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mali Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Threaten them. If they start getting really annoying, petition the staff to remove their pk protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudder Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 You cannot defend from low lvl attacker' date=' and if you have a standard anyone over lvl 5 can kill the weak altar[/quote'] I could be wrong, but you cannot take a standard from the opposing cabal unless a member of that cabal is in your PK range (ghosts count). Though retrieving could be seen as an issue, I don't think its a big deal at all. They won't be pre-50 for very long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Anume Posted December 21, 2008 Implementor Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 Mudder: You're wrong We allowed a couple ~35ish chars all over, so they can pk each other. If you're 50 and a 35 takes your standard, just get it back, you get cp after all... If a char outside your pk range starts abusing you in game, note Imms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 Two savants, one tribunal at/around rank 35. I definately like what I see and I think this is a good experiment and hope it becomes normal again to induct characters at level 30. My character has also been allowed to apply for his cabal at rank 30, but because I won't be active at all around christmas/new year's time I prefer to wait for a later time. Thumbs up though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serinkane Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 We still doing this? I been waitin for my scroll to be able to get sent in for the application. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-D&Der Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 No offense' date=' but sheesh, Aabahran is supposed to be dangerous, not a sock hop for elven healers and bards![/quote'] 1. I think you should change your name back to Fem-nec. 2. I don't think you give sock hops enough credit. They can be very dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deykari Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Whilst I wasn't a player back then, I get the impression that the process of getting from 1 to 50 took a fair bit longer from the way people speaking of condeathing chars pre-50 and the like, due to the way people played. Today, people can blast to 50 fairly quickly. In the amount of time it takes a Cabal Immortal to decide whether a player is worthy of entry, most people can be at 50. Naturally, at the moment ranking is a little slower, and subsequently we've seen a lot more people (Knights, Nexus, Savants, Warmasters and Tribunals I've seen in the last couple of week or so whilst I've been back) inducted pre-50. I don't think the Imms have anything against inducting people early (at least that's the impression I get, don't want to speak for anybody), just that not as many people are active and staying around the lower ranks long enough to be considered for early entry. When I was an Imm, by the time I saw enough of a player to allow them entry to the cabal, they were already fifty - those that weren't, were given the chance to apply anyway. Dey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I've Killed for Less Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 I think its GREAT that FL has started allowing low lvl chars to get into cabals. As for people worried that they will have trouble ranking do to opposing cabal fights, then don't enter at a low lvl. Its a personal choice, but frankly one that I am glad we have the option to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 Well, I REALLY do hope early cabal entrance is still around... I kinda doubt it though. The other day I was talking to a friend of mine who has stopped playing for more than a year now and I told him, "Hey do you know that the IMMs in FL are allowing people to apply to their cabals early again? Even my character was allowed to apply!", and he was like, "Oh really? Was about time, I might actually roll something soon, perhaps a ". And then we have a really long convo about which cabal is strong at the moment, what strong character do we have at the moment and so on and so on... Yeah, what I want to say is that this is the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EyeSeeU Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 I'm sorry but I am getting sick of people talking about whats strong right now whats this cabal got whats this cabal got? Its like your planning every character to combat what characters are doing well right now that is so lame. What happened to rolling a character because thats what you wanted to play not because it will do well against what is doing well at the time your rolling your character in the game. Seriously people but this has really got to stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 Seriously people but this has really got to stop. How's this for a general flame. There's always gonna be that loser who rolls up the blm with your race mastery to kill you when you pimpslapped his pride and joy. BWahahaah, now I didn't call anyone a loser, but if you're a person who does this, it's like you're calling yourself that!!! Veektoree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L-A Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 How's this for a general flame. There's always gonna be that loser who rolls up the blm with your race mastery to kill you when you pimpslapped his pride and joy. BWahahaah' date=' now I didn't call anyone a loser, but if you're a person who does this, it's like you're calling yourself that!!! Veektoree[/quote'] People who roll to kill one character don't last long - someone picks them off and they delete. Stick to your characters and you'll outlive the wally's who do this. Harden up princess does work - I still play here and its how I learnt. I even missed Maleki, Zenizen, Calandra and Gorath so the rest of you can't have it too bad. Tough run ins breed tough players - I'm not at lvl 50 atm but if the current crop are still the 'I won't fight you until I clear Factions/gear/deso again ' then you are all kidding yourself about how strong you are as a player. The strongest characters are feared all the time - not just when they have a nice suit. Low people in cabals are fine - just realise that you're final ranks will be plagued with cabal warfare and you'll learn to run very, very well. It doesn't mean its impossible. Be thankful that shaman's dysentry no longer add xp tnl like the 'old' days - it was a staple tactic to stop people getting to pinnacle. L-A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 The strongest characters are feared all the time - not just when they have a nice suit. I'm finding when I die, I die with or without eq now. And when I kill people, eq DOES help, but I still get kills with average stuff. My first successful pinn was very eq dependent, and I find that is simply a state of being that one requires less and less. I don't see a reason to bash people who are eq dependent, if they keep it, let them keep it, but it will always come out in the wash, so to speak. (Completely disregarding LI for obvious reasons. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 I'm sorry but I am getting sick of people talking about whats strong right now whats this cabal got whats this cabal got? *edited by Anume.* We were talking about which cabal is strong "number wise". Which cabal needs help and so on... PS. Please let us get back on topic since it is an important one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EyeSeeU Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 edited. Enjoy your forum vacation. Anume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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