J.Twendrist Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 That's what I was trying to get across lol, but I was toked a little of that certain herb this morning. BTW NEVER MIX SUBSTANCES AND FIREARMS!!! Before that comes up. No people should never just shoot, but in cases where people draw on the cop, or if someone's entering your home, or legitimate things like that. And yeah to the deadly force thing, if at any time you draw a weapon you had better be prepared to kill, and the situtation should better dam well warrant it, otherwise you should go to jail. The guy with the robbers... well, legally he was in the right because of laws here. Now I agree, he probably shouldn't have taken it upon himself, but I also don't think he should go to jail. To clear anything up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Now I agree' date=' he probably shouldn't have taken it upon himself, but I also don't think he should go to jail. To clear anything up.[/quote'] The problem here is that at some point, as a society, we need to draw a line. Everyone knows that the day you turn 18 isn't some magical moment of super-maturity injection from the day before, but we recognize 18 as the turning point from immaturity to maturity as a citizen because the law needs to have such a description. We need a consensus here... either the cop was justified in using potentially deadly force, or he wasn't. We need to draw a line here, whether or not real life makes that line entirely convenient or not. As I said regarding another argument in another thread, it isn't that the system we have is ideal... it's whether the system we have is the best we can come up with at present. Come up with a better justice system and I will be all ears... but for now, I find it hard to label you as right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Pali did a quote fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Do you realize how drunk I was when I made that post? That all I screwed up was failing to close the quote right amazes me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfdude Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Kinda skimmed the thread, guns aren't bad, I own two and I have never wanted to go out and shoot someone. Also, take everything you hear from the cops/feds/anyone in authority with a grain of salt. Not all criminals are evil, I've been to jail a few times and I have friends that have been to prison or are currently in. Just because you break the law doesn't mean you really did anything wrong, there are so many draconian drug laws and other things of that variety that victimize many people in our society and ignorant people kinda just sit back and scream for blood. There are many shades of gray, its not all black and white. But I guess this forum will have an amount of people that haven't had much life experience beyond school and work(?). I know a good amount of you and this most likely isn't about you but honestly, it makes me kinda sick when people advocate treating criminals, or people that are simply being charged as criminals, as animals. If you don't rehabilitate them then they wont learn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Twendrist Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Marijuana drug laws are rediculous, but other than that... I think they need to crack down on things like crack, heroin, meth, ect. The stuff that can really hurt people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Personally, I'd rather there be a percentage of people who destroy their lives through their own stupidity than have the government trying to be my nanny and protect me from myself by limiting what I can do to/with my own body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Twendrist Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Hmm, on second thought, I agree with Pali. That would reduce crime too, since there would be no money to be made on the black market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 But when they're breaking into your house and shooting you to save the panda in your closet so he and the panda can find the holy grail, then the drugs are too much. For the most part, I think people should be able to f*ck themselves up as much as they want as long as doing so doesn't put others at risk. Edit: Akin to a seatbelt law. I quite disagree with it being illegal not to wear a seatbelt. That said, I will never be without a seatbelt because I choose to be safe. If another driver doesn't want to protect his own life, I don't think the gobierno should be big brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Twendrist Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Yeah, but if four people are in a car, and one doesn't wear a seatbelt, and the car gets hit right he will ping around the car like a bouncy ball hurting people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudder Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Also you must take into account that if the driver isn't wearing a seatbelt that after the immediate collision he likely won't be sitting in the driver's seat anymore. Without someone to control the car during the wreck it puts many others at risk. The law is there for everyone, not just the retarded kid that doesn't want to belt up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Those are rather funny situations yall pictured. Since when do bodies randomly fly in multiple directions injuring others in the vicinity... Also, Mudder I don't get that situation at all. If there is a collision, what "controlling is there to do" It's already a screwed situation in which the cars stop... anyway. o.0 Not like without the seatbelt, crap is gonna run rampant... it's just the poor bast*rds own fault what happens to him. "Don't sit behind me without a seatbelt on, you'll destroy me if we crash." That sounds so... not improbable but... silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudder Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Aside from the typical fender bender (which this doesn't really concern at all) accidents are not always just instantaneous crash. There is a lot of other things going on from rolling, to sliding, etc. The driver needs to maintain control through the entire wreck. Sounds funny, doesn't it? But it's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 But when they're breaking into your house and shooting you to save the panda in your closet so he and the panda can find the holy grail' date=' then the drugs are too much.[/quote'] Committing crimes while intoxicated is still committing crimes, and should be punished accordingly. If you can't control yourself while under the influence of something, you shouldn't do it. I don't want there to be laws saying you CAN'T do it, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't advise against getting too messed up to think straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iusedtobesomebody Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 I wish we could go back to the days where everyone visibly carried a sword. I've got 5. Already on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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