KRins Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 No, that's completely untrue. Look at Brock Lesnar against Frank Mir. Look at Mike Ceisnolevic's first fight. A quick heel hook is the reason I haven't even worked out since June. Two seconds after the guy swept me, I cried out in agony with a torn tendon in my knee. I STILL haven't made a full recovery. It is the achiles loch that is pure pain, not the heel hook. Mir beat Lesnar with what was technically a knee bar. I mean...it was all kinds of deep I'm sure it hurt from about his quad down to his toes. (I honestly wasn't aware heel hooks were very effective as a sweep. I was always concerned with getting swept from a kimura from the bottom or a knee bar if I try to scramble instead of just sitting back on the leg that are trying to bar up. Could be the reason I had a chat a week ago with one of the older, more experienced guys in the gym about me considering boxing instead of MMA). I hate your torn tendon for you. I definitely cried like a baby when it happened and about 10 or 15 times in rehab, and mine wasn't even completely torn...more frayed I guess would describe it. Maybe I just wasn't born without a self-preservation instinct, but I grit my teeth and resist tapping for as long as I possibly can. In my mind, if I hold out for even a second longer than my mind tells me...the round might end, I might get to stand back up and box my little heart out in the next round. I'm just not willing to accept that you are born with any limitation other than height, eye color, and any genetic disorder I can't think of right now. I consider pain tolerance a muscle..you gotta work it out if you want it to be more useful. EDIT: I will give you that a random no-name in a small gym in Florida has nowhere near the power, skill, or experience of Ryo Chonan. I have heard a BJJ black belt (Frank Mir when he is commentating for the WEC) say that ankle locks are a contest of wills unless something breaks or snaps. I would say I would stroll onto the mat today and let someone lock up a deep heel hook on me...but thats only if I get a free punch ala TUF when Junie was going on and on about how he had never been knocked out and that dude ended up crumpling him between the shower and the toilet in that bathroom with 1 punch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 After a little more thought, I give Demian Maia a small shot at Silva, for one reason only. I think it's quite possible Silva, with all his showboating and stuff, will try to submit Maia, which is where he can get dangerous. If he stands and tries to knock him out, I don't give Maia any chance at all. If he tries to beat him at his own game, I could see him getting caught. Edit: KRins, you sure that wasn't Dave Kaplan you're talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRins Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 I'm not sure which part you are talking about Twinblades...but it is entirely possible. I'm not renown for my powers of recall and remembrance. EDIT: If you mean the TUF KO in the bathroom...I think you might be right. I just assume anything completely stupid like asking a trained fighter to drill you in the teeth was done by Junie since dude is practically pickled he drinks so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 Kaplan was all drunk, the dude with the humongous face. And he's all "No one can knock me out. I've never been knocked out..." and that other guy just socks him in the side of the head and he goes down, right onto ... a hamper or stack of laundry or something. IT was actually pretty hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRins Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 Two points for Twinblades, he's right it was Kaplan (thank you TiVo). You know you got hit hard when rigor mortis set in and you are still alive (Dude goes stiff as a board) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBwillie Posted February 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 Krins, are you sure Mir didn't say leglocks were a contest of will? Or footlocks? Check your tivo again. A heel hook is a completely different story. Anderson tapped like npc_deat said, to avoid serious injury. It doesn't take long to tear your knee apart when caught in a heel hook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRins Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 Having watched the video again more objectively and less as a Silva-hater. That heel hook was deep. I withdraw my statement. Any time your foot ends up on the other side of the other guys hip it is awful. It really didn't look deep until I slow-mo it. I'm fairly certain Mir said that during dueling heel hooks. Could have been straight toe holds though...I have a pretty hood TiVo and the WEC replays a lot on Versus so I almost never record them unless Razor Rob is on the card. (Yeah he has fallen a bit...but dude is a beast I think we can all safely agree on.) He shares my limited BJJ skills (yes I know he is a world-class kickboxer so he gets away with it compared to my amateur boxing.) and reminds me that hang and bang is still a perfectly acceptable tactic at weights under LHW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest emp_newb Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 No, that's completely untrue. Look at Brock Lesnar against Frank Mir. Look at Mike Ceisnolevic's first fight. A quick heel hook is the reason I haven't even worked out since June. Two seconds after the guy swept me, I cried out in agony with a torn tendon in my knee. I STILL haven't made a full recovery. It is the achiles loch that is pure pain, not the heel hook. True. My I did mean th e Achilles lock, not a heel hook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBwillie Posted March 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 Ok, tonight we have: Riley over Sugar Shane - While Riley has shown to be tough and experienced in a couple of outings, Shane showed nothing but a big mouth on TUF. The Truth over Patt - I'm looking for Vera to make a comeback in decisive fashion. Boetsch over Brillz - While Boetsch's stamina problems are well documented, he possesses knockout power that I believe will get the better of Brillz by round 2. Da Sypder over Jason Day - After some lackluster performances, it's hard to know which Grove will show up. I look for him to take the win, though. McCrory over Madigan - The Barn Cat is a nerd with really good standup and I don't know who Madigan is. Maynard over Miller - Maynard has looked solid since TUF with wins over fighters like Frankie Edgar. He wins. Hamill over Munoz - Gimme the deaf guy. Drago over Brown - Pete Sell comeback, anyone? Carwin over Napao - Knockout. Carwin is crazy strong. Rampage over Jardine - Knockout. Jardine has a suspect chin. Rampage wants a title shot. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRins Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 I agree with everything except how you kinda shrug off a national champion wrestler from Oklahoma State in Munoz. Hamill on his back is not an especially dangerous Mark Hamill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chayesh Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 Mark Hamill will smash. Rampage is gonna bust up Jardine like he busted up his rig in Newport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacobis Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 Mark Hamill will smash. Luke? Luuuuuke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chayesh Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 My bad...it's Matt isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRins Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 Matt...Mark...its not like he can hear me call him by the wrong name anyway. Here's the real question...is Gonzaga or Carwin a legit threat to the raw power of Lesnar or the technique and new, improved stand up of Mir? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HouselessRogue Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 Umm... no. Gonzaga is a hack. He got really lucky in the Crocop fight and has done jack since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest emp_newb Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 That was the nastiest way I have ever seen a foot bend without breaking. EVER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRins Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 I'm talking about the look on Munoz's face just before the lights went out...now that must have been awful. You were right HB...wrestling ain't kickboxing. EDIT: Does anyone else think that ref... I forget his name. The one that stopped the first fight when the fighter pulled guard. Does anyone else think he probably needs to be fired? He is more worried about how the world perceives him than the safety of the fighters. Sell was done for a while before they finally called it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 Yves Lavigne is who you're talking about. My uncle was wondering who stopped the fight, the ref or the Brown. Hehe. Lavigne stopped the fight too soon, then didn't stop it soon enough. He was terrible. I thought Hamill's leg kick was ****in right on. Gonzaga's career flashed before his eyes, he was WORKING Carwin up until he got knocked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRins Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 I know it wasn't Yves who I'm upset with...Yves was outside of the cage shaking his head after the stoppage...it was the other guy. Regardless...Gonzaga stood and banged with him why? Carwin can knock you out with any strike...but does anyone actually know if he can do anything else? I'm just glad Rampage won...I've never liked Jardine even though the length of his career and some of his victories obviously prove his talent. Anyone know the Chase Beebe result from that other small show? Maeda result would also be appreciated. I'm those two winning from an epic 5 fight parley bet that will fund a new vehicle and my next 3 months in the gym. UGH...damn you Chase Beebe. Why do you bleed so easily? Stoppage after rd 1, doctor said the cut was too bad. I'm not sure if I like this DREAM promotion and their 2 round fights and "year of the lightweight" tournament without Penn, Sherk, or KenFlo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBwillie Posted March 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 The main event was a disappointment, but I'm not too distraught because I'm not a huge Rampage fan. The only part I don't like is now Machida doesn't get the title shot he deserves when he deserves it. Rampage can go off on a tangent, abusing drugs and endangering lives after a loss and come back for his belt, but Machida can pick apart top tier opponents and be currently undefeated, yet is not offered the shot. This just goes to show, it's all about marketability, not the skill of the fighter...(Brock Lesnar's entrance at the top of the division and the whole Kimbo Slice thing are a couple more examples). Carwin impressed me. I picked him to win by KO but I didn't know he had such a good chin. Gonzaga connected with strong strikes straight to the jaw, and Carwin stumbled back, recovered, and finished the fight. Granted, Shane doesn't have good standup defense, but he's got a hard head and bangs so hard, it almost makes up for it. Did anyone else notice that he was kind of stepping back and it was an arm punch (meaning he didn't put his body behind the punch) that knocked Gonzaga out? I did. Gonzaga is good, but his win over Crocop, at least the way it transpired, was a fluke. In regards the the Matt Brown VS Pete Sell fight, Yves made a mistake. I don't think he should have stepped in to begin with, but when he did, the fight should have been stopped. When he backed off it could have been a detriment to either fighter. Brown knew the fight should have been over and didn't want to deal any unnecessary punishment, but he had to do his (and Lavigne's) job. Brown looked good and I really liked his humility after the fight, but Drago is a big dumb animal with no standup defense and a bad chin. He's like a faster, weaker, mini-Carwin with a weaker chin and half the intellect. Kudos to Matt Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
npc_death Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 So now it's Evans v. Machida in May. I love Machida, but I don't know if he's going to be able to overcome Rashad's mix of speed, power, and precise striking. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBwillie Posted March 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Man, that's a tough one to call. I'm not a big fan of either, though I'm partial to Machida. I'm giving the fight to Evans, though. Decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
npc_death Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Machida is incredibly elusive, throws a ton of faints, and has shown he has knockout ability. However, Evans will have Greg Jackson in his corner, who is known for putting together great game plans. That'll give Evans the edge over most of the guys Machida has fought. I'm trying to wrap my brain around the game plan he might come up with. How do you counteract a true counter fighter? Machida has crisp, precise striking. So does Evans, but Evans is probably a little stronger. Machida has been able to thwart almost all takedown attempts, even by Tito, who at the time was still a strong wrestler. Will he be able to do that to Rashad? And, if he can't, what will Machida's guard look like. I don't think I've seen it, though I'm sure it's solid since he trains with Nog and A. Silva. Either way, it'll look better than Forest's self-admitted "lazy guard." Another question: how much will cardio play a factor? Neither have been into the championship rounds. Overall, I think if Machida can stuff the takedowns and just out-step and out-think (probably less difficult) Rashad, he can take a TKO either late in the 3rd or into the 4th. Or so I'm hoping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBwillie Posted March 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 Absolutely a possibility. I think if Machida is going to win, it will be a decision or a late TKO. Something in my gut tells me to give the cardio edge to Machida. I just know Machida won't land an early flash knockout on Evans. It could happen the other way around, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HouselessRogue Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 I am extremely excited about this fight. Far more excited than I have been in a long time. I really don't see it going to a decision. I see a TKO but I can't really tell from which direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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