HeadbangerWillie's MMA Corner

[Guest emp_newb]

First off, I think I called it first (just kidding, anyone could have called that fight, I think I just beat HB to the punch)

Secondly I am amazed no one has commented on Bisping Henderson. After reviewing several old fights, I believe that to be the BIGGEST elbow I have ever seen go through clean in UFC ever hehe. It was a good ride for the brits to have an up and comer, but the british MMA game is too new, with too few serious gyms. Sure you can train in any gym, but coming up in the lion's den, or a Militich camp is gonna put out results that golds and a boxing ring just can't do.

[Twinblades713]

Are you saying Henderson took him out an elbow? Because I distinctly remember a duck and beautiful right that just flipped Bisping's switch. OFF.

[Guest emp_newb]

no, I am saying after the mean right cross, before the stoppage henderson basically fell onto bispings face with an elbow.

[Twinblades713]

no' date=' I am saying after the mean right cross, before the stoppage henderson basically fell onto bispings face with an elbow.[/quote']

AHH. omfg, that was hilarious.

Henderson: Yea, I figured that would shut up him for a bit.

[npc_death]

Yeah, I personally thought Bisping would lose to Hendo via decision. Kudos to Henderson for reminding everyone why he was a monster in Pride.

[Guest emp_newb]

I have been doing some thinking/researh

Anyone else see lesnar as a new tank abbott? Poor sportsmanship, uses more of his size than any technique, when he throws punchs they come in cardio-destroying haymakers, and is getting alot of hype before fighting someone who is really a match for him. Personally there is only one person I ever want to see fight Brock Lesnar. And his name is Fedor. In my head this match just seems like sweetness from a viewer standpoint. From a fighting standpoint I feel these guys would make for one of the best fights of the year. I will say that I believe Fedor has alot better odds strictly based on his experience/record. 30-1, ****christ thats mean. After his display in the Mir fight, I really would like to see him die out like kimbo. Huge hype, and gone with one of the lowest level fighters in a 14 second TKO. A stand-in fighter too. Where I do respect Brock Lesnar's inherent ability, I can only help but feel that someone who does not respect the sport enough to show class while on national television, what gives him the right to have ever gotten the chance to get that belt?

[HBwillie]

I made the exact same comparison between Lesnar and Tank. Big dumb bullies with little technique smashing people at first, but sizzling out quickly. They were both one-dimensional, and I've never cared for either of them. The fans are your ****ing paycheck. They buy your merchandise, they rent your pay-per-views. They feed your fat ****ing face.

Now some people say that love him or hate him, you'll remember him. Or even better, if he makes people hate him, they'll tune in to see him get beat. My personal belief is that he has done no good for the sport, in that he has shown no real fighting skill, other than overpowering his much lighter opponents and holding them there, pummeling with masturbation punches until the ref stops the fight. Oh, and a bad attitude to boot? **** you, Lesnar. Go back to WWE.

Emp, you're right on every point. I too wanna see Fedor eat his lunch.

[Guest emp_newb]

Dana is apparently busting his *** to get Fedor over to UFC, but he is contract obligated apparently. Fedor has been chewing up other MMA organizations. He NEEDS to be in the UFC. Lesnar is just using his extra 20-50 lbs to overwhelm people. I absolutely hate the WWE **** he has brought here. Disrespecting fans. Useless ****er. This sport was made what it is by all of us who read those blogs, who order those pay-per-views. If you look at what it was my god it has come a LONG way. UFC used to be bloodsport, now it is THE sport across the globe.

[Rethrick]

Well, all of you who might hate on Lesner, think of it this way. If Lesner (whom I am a big fan of since he wrestled at MinU) just contiunes to progressively get better at his ground defense and his possible ground offense (next to his forearm ground and pound ) he will stay champ for a hot minute. However, if he slacks off and becomes slack like he was before he got beat by Mir, he will get beat in the next 2-3 fights. He is a beast, no doubt about it. He is strong, no doubt about it. He has a jaw of concret, look at his herring fight, so why should he not hold the title? If he is the best (maybe not the best all-round, just the best) then he deserves it, right? I am not saying that he is the best pound for pound (Silva has that all the way, but a close second my St. Pierre) just the best at Heavy. So what that he came from the WWE! He was a nasty wrestler before that, and the roids helped him a bit through the money making WWE, but now he is a respectable fighter and a raw piece of clay that will be shaped into one nasty fighter once he gets a good ground game. Just saying.

[Guest emp_newb]

I never said he does not have talent at all. But to be so disrespectful to his PAYCHECK is what pisses me off. Had dana white not given him a chance, he would have been another WWE flake. He was given a chance, did relatively well, but is not showing the sportsmanship, and discipline that is required of a champion. Just because you are a strong fighter, and have the skills does not mean you have to be a champion. He severely lacks discipline, seeing as how the first 10-15 years of his career had nothing to do with MMA training. He has so little respect for the sport, and those who have made it their life. Honestly I do not think he should have had a title fight so quickly, anyone else spends 5-15 fights WAITING for that chance.

[HBwillie]

Well' date=' all of you who might hate on Lesner, think of it this way. If Lesner (whom I am a big fan of since he wrestled at MinU) just contiunes to progressively get better at his ground defense and his possible ground offense (next to his forearm ground and pound ) he will stay champ for a hot minute. However, if he slacks off and becomes slack like he was before he got beat by Mir, he will get beat in the next 2-3 fights. He is a beast, no doubt about it. He is strong, no doubt about it. He has a jaw of concret, look at his herring fight, so why should he not hold the title? If he is the best (maybe not the best all-round, just the best) then he deserves it, right? I am not saying that he is the best pound for pound (Silva has that all the way, but a close second my St. Pierre) just the best at Heavy. So what that he came from the WWE! He was a nasty wrestler before that, and the roids helped him a bit through the money making WWE, but now he is a respectable fighter and a raw piece of clay that will be shaped into one nasty fighter once he gets a good ground game. Just saying.[/quote']

Respectable? That's pretty debatable. What makes a fighter a fighter isn't just his fighting ability. It's just as much the mindset. Also, please don't bring up the Herring fight. Lesnar SHOULD have finished Herring. It's no great accomplishment to beat the guy. Herring is wild and strong, but he's nowhere near the size of Lesnar. I like him a hell of a lot better though.

[Raargant]

Saying Lesnar is only good because he is big reminds me of the people who say Shaq is only good because he is big. In both cases, there have been a ton of other big men who didn't and couldn't do nearly as good.

Give respect where respect's due, imho.

[Imoutgoodbye]

Pardon, but I believe the MMA/UFC could both do with a little injection of WWE attitude....you'd have much better PPV sales. I don't care how much Lesnar got yelled at/apologized for what he did after his fight. It was amusing and controversial. It drew attention, for better or worse.

[Raargant]

Let's be honest here; there's been plenty of MMA fighters who have said way worse; I personally felt that Henderson's punch on Bisping was way worse (and potentially dangerous) than just a little post-match trash talk from Lesnar.

Lesnar was just pissed at all the trash talking Mir had been doing pre-match; Mir was talking mad **** before the match, while Lesnar was pretty silent; I can respect a man who starts talking **** after he takes care of business, instead of before. And if you look at his fight with Couture, who was respectful and polite before the match, there was no trash talking or disrespect from Lesnar at all.

[Guest emp_newb]

Let's be honest here; there's been plenty of MMA fighters who have said way worse; I personally felt that Henderson's punch on Bisping was way worse (and potentially dangerous) than just a little post-match trash talk from Lesnar.

Lesnar was just pissed at all the trash talking Mir had been doing pre-match; Mir was talking mad **** before the match, while Lesnar was pretty silent; I can respect a man who starts talking **** after he takes care of business, instead of before. And if you look at his fight with Couture, who was respectful and polite before the match, there was no trash talking or disrespect from Lesnar at all.

There are plenty of MMA fighters who said/did WAY worse. They are no longer UFC fighters because of that. As far as Henderson's elbow. I can see that on one hand he was out. There was nothing there but stars for Bisping. He prolly thought he was at the pub and had one too many. But on the other hand after being a wrestler for 6 years in school, it is INGRAINED in my mind that I DO NOT stop until the whistle blows/ref pulls me off. I agree it was dangerous, but this IS fighting. It is not america's next top model.

I completely disagree with UFC needing some WWE attitude. that attitude takes too much from the sport. It makes it a male soap opera. I enjoy the UFC for the battling. Two warriors going at it and putting themselves to the test. No flashy double backflips frog splashes. No pile drivers through tables. It is to men going in for an actual battle.

It is not post match trash talk.

"I don't drink budweiser, they won't pay me." That has nothing to do with Mir. That was a man talking **** because a company won't pay him. Persionally until he has been tested more heavily ( I still say someone of competant size with some BJJ specialization is going to give lesnar pure hell) I would be offering the man any sponsorships where I scouting for potential product pushers.

[KRins]

"I don't drink budweiser' date=' they won't pay me." That has nothing to do with Mir. That was a man talking **** because a company won't pay him. Persionally until he has been tested more heavily ( I still say someone of competant size with some BJJ specialization is going to give lesnar pure hell) I would be offering the man any sponsorships where I scouting for potential product pushers.[/quote']

Nog? Too old?

[HBwillie]

Nog got knocked out by Mir of all people. Now I realize Mir has some decent power, but that isn't his forte. Nog has never been stopped before. He's past his prime imo.

What I think is that Lesnar's chin hasn't trully been tested. If Carwin lays hands on him, it could be a short night for the big buffoon.

[Guest emp_newb]

Nog got knocked out by Mir of all people. Now I realize Mir has some decent power, but that isn't his forte. Nog has never been stopped before. He's past his prime imo.

What I think is that Lesnar's chin hasn't trully been tested. If Carwin lays hands on him, it could be a short night for the big buffoon.

I would love to see Carwin fight him honestly. I also concur about lesnar's chin not being tested properly. Sure Heath has some power. But he does not have bricks under those gloves. I want to see Lesnar get ROCKED once and watch what happanes. You see guys like Guida get completely LEVELED (Sanchez's head kick springs to mind) He hit the mat, and was OUT. His YEARS of MMA training kicked in and he weathered what WAS a knockout. I just do not think Lesnar has the MMA experience (I do not mean wrestling, sure wrestling is great, but you CANNOT come to UFC and expect weight + wrestling to win it all) Sure he has a bit of a streak going, but tank abbott had a streak going too. He is now a washed out security guard who talks like he had a stroke. Know why? He thought he was Ironman and could take anything and never bothered to try to block punches.

[Raargant]

Tank's streak wasn't against people like Mir and Couture though. Not really a fair comparison.

Lesnar took what I thought was a pretty damn solid knee from Mir in the second round, right before the takedown. Shrugged it off. But yes, it would be interesting to see how well he can take a punch.

[Gradrel]

I just want Lesnar to get a haircut.

[HBwillie]

I want Lesnar to fight my dad. Granted, my dad broke both his legs and walks with a terrible hobble, but I swear to you...he eats gravel sandwiches and is a monster. 6'7", 270. He is a fifth degree black belt in Korean Tae Kwon Do under Jun Ri, and was, himself, a professional wrestler for a large part of his life.

If my dad had his balance back, I trully believe he could knock Lesnar out. He has the strongest upper body of anyone I've personally encountered, and he is totally fearless, he claims, because of his experience in Vietnam.

[npc_death]

I'm with Willie...Carwin should be his next test. However, what if Carwin can't knock him out, and Brock beats him? What are people going to say next?

I agree that the Brock didn't show a great skill set against Mir. There were SEVERAL times he could have gone for an arm triangle, kimura, or, hell, improve position to full mount. Of course he didn't. That might be a good thing. Imagine a guy that strong using submissions. Heavyweights would become amputees. (Ok, not really, but there's a huge risk for permanent injury.)

Overall, I'm not disgusted by Brock. He showed little sportsmanship and insulted a company sponsor. He apologized personally to Dana about the sponsorship thing. He's intentionally playing a heel, but that appeals to a broader range of audience, which brings in more money. That's why Dana gave him the shot; that's way Dana is going to keep him in the UFC. It all comes down to the almighty dollar.

My only hope is that Kimbo wins TUF, and they decide to give him a title shot against Brock (assuming he still has it) straight out of the gate. I wouldn't mind seeing Brock whoop Kimbo's *** for 1-4 minutes before the ref calls for a stoppage.

[HBwillie]

I wish they'd simultaneously knock each other out. Then Fedor comes in and urinates on both of them.

[Imoutgoodbye]

I wish they'd simultaneously knock each other out. Then Fedor comes in and urinates on both of them.

Hahaha! There's some WWE attitude.

Emp: And no, I don't watch UFC. But a little drama won't kill yo mama!

EDIT: And the matches for UFC aren't rigged. You still get to see them battling it out. I like my wrestling like I enjoy my video games: Unrealistic.

[Raargant]

There are plenty of MMA fighters who said/did WAY worse. They are no longer UFC fighters because of that. As far as Henderson's elbow. I can see that on one hand he was out. There was nothing there but stars for Bisping. He prolly thought he was at the pub and had one too many. But on the other hand after being a wrestler for 6 years in school' date=' it is INGRAINED in my mind that I DO NOT stop until the whistle blows/ref pulls me off. I agree it was dangerous, but this IS fighting. It is not america's next top model.[/quote']

Incidentally, btw, just to confirm...if in Lesnar's fight with Mir, he knocked Mir unconscious, then slammed him with another elbow, then said that it was to 'shut him up', you would still hold the same opinion, right?