npc_death Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Is it remotely possible that a bard could become a PK force? If so, how? Which cabal do you think would be best suited? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare_from_hell Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Yes! Just ask hbwillie, he's had at least 2! Helmsley was a massive pk force as was Higsby, along with another char... started with a W I think, can't remember now though. Either way, every PK oriented bard has been a dwarf so far, you could -try- other races, but I believe dwarf is the best suited for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Helmsley was a Dwarven Knight bard in a time that there where few high ranking Nexians. It would be slight diferent today. I would recommend Elf, Avian or Human. Or an Half-Elf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudder Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Yes. Bards can rock. Personally I think Avian/Trib would be a great combination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WagesofSin Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Helmsley? Are you kidding? Wasn't he around when Morchial was around? There were plenty if Nexans back then. Also, there are few Nexians around these days. Knights been doing their job a little too well. As for races, that dwarf HP is really useful. I wonder if anyone is good enough to make a non-dwarf bard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirax Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Yeah you cant say it was lack of enemies that made Helmsley a force, perhaps overconfidence but not lack of opponents. Only player here that Iknow made people think bards werent just an easy way to reequip basic wares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
npc_death Posted February 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Knight has a mob, and I heard he did a Tribunal which would also have mob. Think it can be done without that luxury? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 You misunderstood me. It's about the Dwarf part. Everyone thinks Dwarves are a ****, until they face a Mealer dualing two avg 30 water weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacobis Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Damnit Mya, Mealers a qclass that haven't been implemented yet. There goes that surpise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icor Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Bartog was a dwarf back before Bards got changed, and he was a monster. I liked Bards more back then. Wish it was a qclass option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindflayer Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 How could you bastards forget about Jarl? That dwarven bard was a PK monster! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest emp_newb Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 I think halfer trib would be among the strongest bard ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare_from_hell Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 How could you bastards forget about Jarl? That dwarven bard was a PK monster! Didn't forget about him, just didn't have nearly as many encounters with the char as the others, nor was I involved in any pk's with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delfytheelfy Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 there was another bard that was dangerous, cant remember the name though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudder Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Bartog was a dwarf back before Bards got changed' date=' and he was a monster. I liked Bards more back then. Wish it was a qclass option.[/quote'] I think Bards had more PK potential to be monsters back then. Now they're just easier to work with but power spike is smaller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangelion Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 I think halfer trib would be among the strongest bard ideas. Until Mr. Giant Berserker or Warrior comes along and bashlocks you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 How i wish they had taken a different approach to the bard change. Like giving us the option to chose between the old and the new skill list. Same with rangers. Dam i was a bit displeased when i had my bard turned into the new thing. I was planing on having the old bird follow me around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest emp_newb Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Until Mr. Giant Berserker or Warrior comes along and bashlocks you. Halfers have HUGE dex and AC, not to mention order all rescue. I do not think that a bashlock is that huge of a risk with the prep you can get. There is a VERY easily accessed enlarge item. Halfer mag resist as well with no real vuln OTHER than size. Honestly though bashlocking is a risk for almost anything honestly. I can think of nothing save other enlarged giants I could not reliably lag lock. Mounted pallies, blms, so on and so forth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deykari Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Damnit Mya, Mealers a qclass that haven't been implemented yet. There goes that surpise. LOL I think the main drawback to bards in PK is their vulnerability to lag. Whilst the other two rogue classes share that same vulnerability, they also both have ways of dealing with decked 'mealers' short of going toe-to-toe (possible, but can be tricky) - prying/theft, and assassination. A bard can deny their opponent of consumables, and have the element of surprise, but short of that they have to thug it out in combat, and against a decked 'mealer' that can be tricky. They get cure serious, which is a nice perk for hit-and-run/attrition style playing, but again, they lose that if they get laglocked. The cabals that have lagging mobs will definitely help here. Without those cabals, they'd just need to be more cautious, and be very well prepared at all times. This is not speaking from experience playing a bard, just my experience fighting bards and from what I've gathered from the skillset. Definitely a great class though. Dey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBwillie Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Helmsley was a Knight, Higsby was a Syndicate and Gromli was Tribunal. And Mya, I had plenty of enemies as Helmsley. We warred with Syndicate and Nexus of course, both of them having very strong and active rosters. As for combatting melee classes, I found that berserkers and monks were my most difficult tasks. Sirican and Amadeus (Nexus vampire and warrior) also gave me some problems from time to time, but there were also times that I could combat them no problem. Helmsley and Gromli were both pretty successful, but Higsby wasn't much more than a nuisance. Let me tell you that the mobs DO help tremendously. Bartog and Higsby didn't have those, but Jarl's dragon, Helmsley's vanguard and Gromli's blood guard sure played a major part in PK situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Way Up Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Warbul was the name of the other bard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aulian Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Helmsley was a Knight, Higsby was a Syndicate and Gromli was Tribunal. And Mya, I had plenty of enemies as Helmsley. We warred with Syndicate and Nexus of course, both of them having very strong and active rosters. As for combatting melee classes, I found that berserkers and monks were my most difficult tasks. Sirican and Amadeus (Nexus vampire and warrior) also gave me some problems from time to time, but there were also times that I could combat them no problem. Helmsley and Gromli were both pretty successful, but Higsby wasn't much more than a nuisance. Let me tell you that the mobs DO help tremendously. Bartog and Higsby didn't have those, but Jarl's dragon, Helmsley's vanguard and Gromli's blood guard sure played a major part in PK situations. Even Ghadryn was weary of you although I dont think we ever killed one another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delfytheelfy Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 yeah warbul... he was dirty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBwillie Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 We had a mutual respect for one-another, Aulian. I remember Ghadryn being very tough, though I don't think we ever came to blows. Was a neat relationship we had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I've Killed for Less Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 I have a combo that I think will do very well. Working on getting my avian bard into Nexus. Should be quite fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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