Emertis, The Beserk Slayer Rabid Axe of rage

[Sandbox]

Next time, dron't break roleplay

Being an outcast is not something to be proud of.

In every society you have people who are outcasts, dont fit in , act a bit different. my character was outcasted for good reason, and just because you dont fit in with your race and ur RP isnt cookie cutter generic i dont think another player should look down on you for that. Its rather sad that everyone has that view of , oh he's outcast he did something wrong. I think anyone should be proud of the fact that their rp is deeper than "me giant, me smash" .

[f0xx]

Since you are new, perhaps you haven't heard the saying: "You are what your align/ethos is". If your character is neutral and you act evil, that is out of character and is punished by outcasting. Most of the in game restrictions exist for balance issues, the people who created the mud deemed minotaurs as overpowered if evil (I guess), so they created RP to fit the restriction.

My comment wasn't a shot at you, it was an advice, so no need to be so defensive.

Perhaps I should have used what Pali's wording.

[Reccum]

Good people turn bad all the time, neural people walk a fine line, even some evils can suddenly gain new moral compasses. The reason outcasting exists is because of this. Sure it can be seen as a punishment, but circumstances sometimes change peoples original outlook on life (ie align/ethos).

I think planning to be outcasted in order to achieve a particular combo is OOC abuse, but if your char truly follows their rp and a series of events changes them from what they were initially, then it is totally legit.

[f0xx]

I think planning to be outcasted in order to achieve a particular combo is OOC abuse' date=' but if your char truly follows their rp and a series of events changes them from what they were initially, then it is totally legit.[/quote']

Yes, the immortals have no way to know which one of those two someone is though. That is why usually, the outcast tag comes along with loss of skill/s.

Anyone remembers Tassin's warrior? Whip mastery but no whip skill. He still rocked quite hard though.

[Aulian]

Dude if it was a GLADIATOR I dnt want to be funny but you are in DESPAIR.

There is a war between NEXUS and WARMASTER at the moment.

IT IS CABAL MANDATE TO TARGET THOSE ENTERING FROM THE FEEDER CLAN.

NOT ONLY THAT, BUT A EVIL MINO ZERK WHO ONLY LOST ENHANCED DAMAGE IS A HUGELY POWERFUL RACE COMBO.

There was a HUGE target on your back from the moment you went evil. I know because -I- personally made a mental note to talk to you and decide how quickly to hunt you down.

If you were being played by a player like Tassin *shiver* the player base would be MAD to allow you to gain too much power.

EDIT: OUTCAST: in my opinion is nothing to be ashamed about. You made a LIFE descision, it didnt work out. Happens all the time IRL. I respect you for keeping to your guns and playing anyway. We all have to deal with **** IRL that goes wrong, such should be the same in the game.

As to your equipment. You were unbelievably decked for someone so new. Some of the items you had I doubt you even know where to get. ANYONE with eq like that puts a huge target on their head.

[Twinblades713]

OMFG AULIAN HAS A COMPLETELY LEGIT POINT!!!

WHY AM I YELLING TOO!??!?!?!

WHERE DID THIS UNDERLINE COME FROM?

[Mudder]

Lol, Twin.

Cabal war or not, Gladiators are to uphold a level of honor. It is dishonorable to tell someone you'll do a friendly challenge then help them hit 50, only to kill them and loot.

If you wanted to be a deceitful bastard you should have joined barbarian.

[Aeva]

I think planning to be outcasted in order to achieve a particular combo is OOC abuse' date=' but if your char truly follows their rp and a series of events changes them from what they were initially, then it is totally legit.[/quote']

....?? lol. similarly, then, choosing a race and class when you connect to FL is ooc abuse, because nobody chooses what they are at birth/creation? this is just silly.

[Sandbox]

....?? lol. similarly' date=' then, choosing a race and class when you connect to FL is ooc abuse, because nobody chooses what they are at birth/creation? this is just silly.[/quote']

owned?

[Sandbox]

I know because -I- personally made a mental note to talk to you and decide how quickly to hunt you down.

so u made an ooc decision to find an in game reason to hunt me down?? i hope i just read that wrong.

[Reccum]

....?? lol. similarly' date=' then, choosing a race and class when you connect to FL is ooc abuse, because nobody chooses what they are at birth/creation? this is just silly.[/quote']

LOL, ok....if anything is silly it is what you just said...

Of COURSE making a character is OOC, but once you enter the game then you become what you created. Creating a character IS ooc, but it is NOT abuse. If you roll a Minotaur, who is defined as neutral, and intend to play it that way but a series of events turn you into a brutal raging killer, then sure you get outcast as an RP consequence (not neccesarily a punishment or reward). If however you choose a neutral race with the express intent of being evil with it in order to get outcast so you can join Nexus, then yes I would say that is ooc abuse.

Also, we do not choose what we are at birth, but creation implies a choice...You are creating something, not randomnly generating a character.

Ooooh, how about a random char? That could be an interesting choice in creation.

[Guest emp_newb]

Your assuming way too much. My minotaur had EVERY intention of fighting you to the death. And yes it was because you where outcast of Minoman society.

[MadCowDisease]

Since you are new, perhaps you haven't heard the saying: "You are what your align/ethos is". If your character is neutral and you act evil, that is out of character and is punished by outcasting. Most of the in game restrictions exist for balance issues, the people who created the mud deemed minotaurs as overpowered if evil (I guess), so they created RP to fit the restriction.

My comment wasn't a shot at you, it was an advice, so no need to be so defensive.

Perhaps I should have used what Pali's wording.

by that logic, applications should not be allowed. i mean, you are what you roll right? if you apply to modify your race, i really dont see the point in telling him that his character shouldnt have existed. When I got outcasted, i was pulled up by the Imms and drilled hard. You HAVE to have a solid RP/reasoning to betray your race's alignment. I'm fairly c ertain you can't BS your way past the imms. my point? He made a character that started off as impatient, roughed some people up, and his moral standards stadily declined. its accepted all the time in all sorts of RPs.

In fact, that is how a lot of evil people are potrayed. They start out with a major character flaw, and it becomes their downfall. rarely are evil people depicted as evil from birth.

also, to the argument of ONLY losing enhanced damage... do you realize how beneficial that is? to lose it, from what I have seen and heard, devistates your dmg output. a raged zerk hitting like a thief? yeah, you try that.

yes its a side effect of being an outcast. yes outcast puts a ton of strain on your character. but honestly, knocking him for playing one? Seriously? How many people here have died to Emertis? Instead of reprimanding him for playing an outcast, you should be applauding him for doing so well as one.

[Mudder]

Thieves get enhanced damage.

I DO applaud Emertis. Once he stopped full looting and trash killing newbies I realized he actually had a standard of RP I've rarely if ever seen in a newbie. I can forgive the early level crap because he, himself, was new.

[Aeva]

He made a character that started off as impatient, roughed some people up, and his moral standards stadily declined. its accepted all the time in all sorts of RPs.

In fact, that is how a lot of evil people are potrayed. They start out with a major character flaw, and it becomes their downfall. rarely are evil people depicted as evil from birth.

yes its a side effect of being an outcast. yes outcast puts a ton of strain on your character. but honestly, knocking him for playing one? Seriously? How many people here have died to Emertis? Instead of reprimanding him for playing an outcast, you should be applauding him for doing so well as one.

ding ding ding, we have a winner. thread over. the guy did great for being so green, and to call it ooc abuse for having an RP idea and rolling with it is pretty ridiculous.

[Aulian]

so u made an ooc decision to find an in game reason to hunt me down?? i hope i just read that wrong.

No it was an IG decision. You were evil, you were big strong bullman with axes. Anyone with a brain would make htat decision IG. I said I'd FIND out more about you THEN hunt you down.

[MadCowDisease]

Thieves get enhanced damage.

I DO applaud Emertis. Once he stopped full looting and trash killing newbies I realized he actually had a standard of RP I've rarely if ever seen in a newbie. I can forgive the early level crap because he, himself, was new.

>_> you know where i was going with that.

they still dont hurt as bad (with regular attacks) as zerks do.

[Mudder]

Theoretically, they shouldn't. However in practice thieves have the same melee output as Zerks.

Zerks only come out on top in pure melee due to weapon selection and the rage ability(which will not be used vs a melee)

[Nikodemus]

Since you are new' date=' perhaps you haven't heard the saying: "You are what your align/ethos is". [/quote']

Tangentially, it is my express, sincere opinion that this "saying" is, without a single shred of doubt in my mind, the single most abhorrent reductor of available spectrum of roleplay depth -- and consequently, to an extent, quality.

This cliched, paleolithic means of division of players through forced categorisation into primitive, absolute arrays of permitted extremes of character expression through action and demanded pre-determined causation for reactions has lead to barely more than naive, cartoonish player-generated environments of interaction in most RPGs.

By no means whatsoever am I expressing critique toward Aabahran's roleplayers! It is merely a lament of mine on a quirky law-like setting in most RPGs that really should have died a very long, long time ago.

On the topic itself, while I never had the pleasure of interacting with your character, it seems like -- in my eyes anyway -- a successful character in terms of character development and even fame/infamy! =)

[MadCowDisease]

this is getting offtopic mudder.

this thread is about emertis.

[MadCowDisease]

Tangentially, it is my express, sincere opinion that this "saying" is, without a single shred of doubt in my mind, the single most abhorrent reductor of available spectrum of roleplay depth -- and consequently, to an extent, quality.

This cliched, paleolithic means of division of players through forced categorisation into primitive, absolute arrays of permitted extremes of character expression through action and demanded pre-determined causation for reactions has lead to barely more than naive, cartoonish player-generated environments of interaction in most RPGs.

By no means whatsoever am I expressing critique toward Aabahran's roleplayers! It is merely a lament of mine on a quirky law-like setting in most RPGs that really should have died a very long, long time ago.

On the topic itself, while I never had the pleasure of interacting with your character, it seems like -- in my eyes anyway -- a successful character in terms of character development and even fame/infamy! =)

to sum this up for people who dont like big words..

thats saying is a load of crap and does nothing but limit the possibilites of a RP. characters are meant to be dynamic and unique, not carbon copies of each other. otherwise you end up with RPs at the level of "hai guyz! we shud totally go killz da orx!"

emertis was the character i loved to hate. like.. he pissed me off to no end. but even so, i could appreciate the amount of work you put into him.

[Pali]

If you intend to RP something different than the align/ethos you select during character creation, at level 1 you should start RPing that difference and send an application to the Immortals for an align/ethos change. That application should have a detailed account of WHY your character is not the way his race normally is, and your RP should fit that account perfectly.

Align and ethos are meant to reflect who your character is. If you are not RPing your align/ethos and have not requested to the Immortals that your align/ethos be changed, then you are roleplaying incorrectly. This is why people who break the law when it suits them (i.e. corrupt Tribunals) cannot be lawful, because lawful doesn't reflect how others see you, it reflects what your character IS. Align and ethos are not meant to be how others see you, they are meant to be what your nature is as a person, and not following them (without changing your align/ethos being an intended goal) is bad roleplaying.

[Pali]

Perhaps I should have used what Pali's wording.

When did I become Mr. Eloquent? Suddenly everyone's saying that I say what they're thinking better than they do.

You'd think all the weed I smoke whenever I'm forum-browsing would be screwing over my grammar or something...

[MadCowDisease]

If you intend to RP something different than the align/ethos you select during character creation, at level 1 you should start RPing that difference and send an application to the Immortals for an align/ethos change. That application should have a detailed account of WHY your character is not the way his race normally is, and your RP should fit that account perfectly.

Align and ethos are meant to reflect who your character is. If you are not RPing your align/ethos and have not requested to the Immortals that your align/ethos be changed, then you are roleplaying incorrectly. This is why people who break the law when it suits them (i.e. corrupt Tribunals) cannot be lawful, because lawful doesn't reflect how others see you, it reflects what your character IS. Align and ethos are not meant to be how others see you, they are meant to be what your nature is as a person, and not following them (without changing your align/ethos being an intended goal) is bad roleplaying.

meaning...exactly what i said. thank you.

forgive me if i am wrong, but i say emertis did a damn good job as CE. his align/ethos. again, CE, his align ethos. How else can i put it? he obviously did something right, to be allowed to play an evil mino. especially and only lose enhanced dmg (i say only in that he lost only one skill, not in that the skill in question isnt a major loss).

you can hold whatever grudges you like against the character, but don't knock sandbox for playing the character flawlessly. from what I understand, he started off as an impatient, angry mino zerk (huh..imagine that.. minos? impatient and angry? since when?). the impatience led him to kill people that got in his way. from that point on he was an impatient bully, getting more an more violent as he got stronger. when he got exiled, he didn't feel it as a loss. why? because in his eyes, the rest of the herd had forgotten their nature, their pride, and therefor, their strength. he laughed at the herd's folly and moved on.

I actually had the opportunity to RP with him quite a few times, and i have to say, i think his RP was solid.

[Sandbox]

You'd think all the weed I smoke whenever I'm forum-browsing would be screwing over my grammar or something...

you realize this completely nullifies your entire previous argument right? Mostly joking I've never done pot or any drug for that matter... but ill probably die of cigarette smoke..