Ok, seriously..

[MadCowDisease]

Low level Playerkilling is not against the rules unless the player in question is camping there to constantly attack others.

Remember, there is a reason why you can playerkill at level ten. Low level playerkilling can allow a newer player to test out the abilities of their characters and their playerkilling strategies at a very low level. They can use this time to get a bit comfortable with the rush and strategy of playerkilling with relatively little at stake compared to the higher levels. So if someone attacks you at the lower levels, your first reaction should not be to get angry. It should be to decide whether you are going to fight or flee - remembering that neither decision better or worse than the other. The only cause for concern is if that character witnessed being overly aggressive to several other characters. Those who are guilty of such get dealt with. Ultimately, my point is not to jump to conclusions about a character based on one single attack - too often that is the knee jerk reaction. "He/She attacked me, he/she must be trash!" If you feel it is fishy, report it in game and through the prayer forum. Those who are overly aggressive at that level get punished.

That being said, experienced players should not be playerkilling in the lower levels because they already know how to play the game.

now will you let me ****in level? think i found the retention problem..

im about 2 naked (or near it) deaths away from delete/quit. its abnoxious. especially from people that just see me in PK range and kill me while im *trying* to gear. i've been leaving everyone else alone, like i was told to, but im stuck at 26 because anytime i go out to gear some random person is gonna stroll up, kill me, and walk off. All i hear is complaints because i was too aggressive. but the second i ease up, i get steamrolled time and time again.

[MadCowDisease]

Make that one.

[WarriorCleric]

You can't just turn off the past. People remember your character being aggressive when you had the advantage, now they see the advantage and are taking back their pound of flesh plus interest.

You screwed the pooch on this one. Realize that this character is now the whipping boy and tough it out or just delete and make something new.

WC

[MadCowDisease]

since when have i ever had the advantage? completely new. first character. ever. early PKs are allowed so that i could learn PK..

Low level playerkilling can allow a newer player to test out the abilities of their characters and their playerkilling strategies at a very low level. They can use this time to get a bit comfortable with the rush and strategy of playerkilling with relatively little at stake compared to the higher levels

^^^that would be what i did.

So if someone attacks you at the lower levels, your first reaction should not be to get angry

^^^this happened to me far more than me attacking anyone. i have more kills from defense than offense.

That being said, experienced players should not be playerkilling in the lower levels because they already know how to play the game.

^^^this is what is happening to me. on every. single. one. of my characters.

the "you're too aggressive and its come to bite you" act is bull. ive initiated two fights. TWO fights. two and a half if you count back-and-forth taunting leading into a fight (i dont say 3, because that approach takes both sides). but yeah i guess starting two fights constitutes being aggressive.. ESPECIALLY considering the fact that i havent trained anything since 17. why? outcast. cant kill guards. also would go against my character to ask for help. in any form. so actually, i've been at the DISADVANTAGE for more of my PK career.

just because i have killed a lot of people, does NOT mean that i've picked all these fights.

[Aulian]

he has a point. Just because you have eased up doesnt mean anyone else should have to. IG they have no idea you arent the same agressive cow as before and sometimes its strike before be struck.

Lie in the bed you make.

[MadCowDisease]

he has a point. Just because you have eased up doesnt mean anyone else should have to. IG they have no idea you arent the same agressive cow as before and sometimes its strike before be struck.

Lie in the bed you make.

again. 2 of my fights are ones i actually initiated. again. two.

I still am the same aggressive cow. i just am not allowed to PK until higher levels cause i have killed too many people. so I have to play the defensive even more for defending myself in the first place. granted, my character's personality is brutish. but do you walk down the street killing people you disagree with? or that have loud mouths? seriously...

[Guest emp_newb]

Honestly pking sub 30 is usually a death sentence for later in life. Leveling til you get access to better skills THEN pk. Learning to pk at 30 is ok, but no haymaker. So you never learn when to use it. So when you DO get it, you have to relearn strats

[MadCowDisease]

Originally Posted by Malchaeius

Remember, there is a reason why you can playerkill at level ten. Low level playerkilling can allow a newer player to test out the abilities of their characters and their playerkilling strategies at a very low level.

That being said, experienced players should not be playerkilling in the lower levels because they already know how to play the game.

^^^

[WarriorCleric]

I'm sorry, but I'll just say it, you must be lying to me. You don't get outcasted evil as a punishment by sniffing flowers and killing two people. This character clearly pissed people off, the low levels are never this bloodthirsty to any of my characters, why? I keep my head down until I'm ready to play in the big leagues.

And in game people don't know who you are, they only know the character, and in low level pk, minotaur/berserkers have the advantage. And you don't know who they play. How do you know it's vets killing you? Because they are killing you? Not good enough.

If people do know who you play, it's because you're being far too loud about it on the forums. Believe what you want, but from someone who has been here a long time, and made a ton of mistakes, in game and out. Suck it up, learn from them, it's a fun game if you take your lumps and write notes about them.

You are taking it far to personally what happens to your character. If you want to enjoy your time here, don't take what happens to your character to heart. You could roll up a character right now, this second, and play him the opposite way you played the guy you've got now and people may love that new character. Think of your characters as a piece of art, be proud when it's good, and when it's bad you're just learning technique for next time.

My advice, retire this character, start something new. Don't hint to anyone what it is, don't tell anyone, just start something new. Hell make it the same character just a different name, doesn't matter. Try it and see what happens.

WC

[Reccum]

Or take this as a chance to learn how to run, equip and survive while there are enemies about. When you it 50 and join a cabal you will be naked often. The choice then becomes log off and re-equip at 4am or outrun and outhide your aggressors while slowly building up your eq again.

[MadCowDisease]

I got outcast evil because of my first PK. and because I applied for it. My first kill? lured a person into a group then murdered them. the person went for revenge later. killed him then too. used the display of power to make him a follower out of fear.

how do i know they're experienced? because they make it blatently obvious. the setups they use. their gear. everything.

it isnt me taking it too seriously. this is a game. its supposed to be fun. if i am not having fun, why am i playing?

by the way. i do have a character. very different. still get killed by other players who just kill and walk away. if it were just this one, i wouldnt have posted this thread.

[Twinblades713]

I agree that there are two ways to approach this. If you want to be hurt, upset, frustrated or whatever, you can do those things, but don't let it distract from your improvement. The two things that have been suggested I'll just spell out directly.

a) Take this as a chance to really hone some primary pk skills like running, chasing, and re-eqing, tactics, etc.

Roll up another character that no one knows about, and either be a good, or friendly neutral. If you really want, roll a ranger/rogue so you can hide and catch a break, but if you do, be careful that you're not letting yourself get lazy with hide/camo.

[MadCowDisease]

again. i HAVE. i have 2 other characters i have never mentioned on the forums. same. stuff. happens.

[MadCowDisease]

deleted anyway.

[Twinblades713]

again. i HAVE. i have 2 other characters i have never mentioned on the forums. same. stuff. happens.

Then that leaves one other choice doesn't it?

*cough* *cough* --- v

a) Take this as a chance to really hone some primary pk skills like running, chasing, and re-eqing, tactics, etc.

[-Totenkopf-]

Oh... you just deleted....

I was going to say you could move on from this mate. Alas, there are some around that will just kill you and walk away. I'd hope to consider myself not one of those. Anyway, good luck with the next one. As has been mentioned, may be an idea to roll a goodie or something, especially if you haven't much play time under your belt. I am learning all over again. (I haven't played in probably near on 5 years) I am getting rheemed in PK at times, so I know where you come from. I still (to a greater extent) have the ability to run quite well. My chasing/hunting and finding skills however are up the creek.

At least if you're a goodie you only have half the number of people to worry about beating on you and you'll find other goodies more happy to help out and save your arse at times. When I had a knight, I used to have a habit of saving the arse of my cabal mates. I think this pissed the enemy off more then actually dying. I wouldn't so much gang bang, as tag team. When my knight friend was on the run, near death, I'd intercept to ensure his escape. I should probably roll up a goodie, one with locate object, because screwed if I can remember where anything is. A number of areas have changed considerably in my absence. Once such area already giving me dramas, haha, one other I am sure could but I haven't had the balls to explore yet and many others I find myself lost in.

Think I might roll up a cleric/healer (*gasp* either would be a first for me) to do some exploring with!

Anyway, good luck with the next one. I would heavily suggest keeping him secret, however much you'd like to reveal it. You and Sandbox are awful at it. I already know who his new character is.

[MadCowDisease]

to twin: kinda hard when i can't gear up. I start to, get killed. by the time I sleep off my wounds, im killed again. rinse and repeat. also hard to do when i was ordered not to kill anyone by the Imms. Not sure how much more practice i can get with "flee" (run away) "sleep" "flee" (run away) "sleep" ..i've spent a week stuck at 26 doing just that.

to toten: oh i have kept the others secret, cept liandra. but come on, who's gonna kill that ray of sunshine? =P

i think you gave away who you play just now.. =P well.. possibly. have a fairly good idea.

[Twinblades713]

to twin: kinda hard when i can't gear up. I start to' date=' [b']get killed. by the time I sleep off my wounds, im killed again. rinse and repeat.

Don't bristle up when I say this, but I bolded the problems. No one can kill you if you succeed in running away. That's what I'm saying you should really seek to work on. Think about it this way. It's not just you, right? It must be this happening to everyone. Secondly, would you be getting this frustrated if the same things were happening, but it wasn't a problem for you? What if you were too good at running and escaping to be killed so often? Aim for that. You can shoot me a pm, if you want extra tips or something. I'd be glad to help.

[MadCowDisease]

kinda hard not to "get killed" when im already fighting mobs, blind/trip/bash oh and a backstab while we're all havin a party.

the sleepin off the wounds bit? yeah you try gearing up at 27 health. be my guest.

anyone thats been stuck at a low level for a week of honestly trying to level, raise your hand.

of course im not saying that death comes only for me. duh. im saying im tired of that occupying 90% of my gametime. I'm sorry, but when people i have never even seen before, let alone talk to, come and kill me while i have no bounty on my head, and then come to my temple saying nothing but "you should change your evil ways." or "i had to beat ya." im not exactly having fun. which is the point of any game.

[Sandbox]

i'm going to have to agree with the vets on this one, you send about 300 hate notes and tells. You made your own bed on that toon. any time you wanna vent dude just send me a pm and yell at me.

[MadCowDisease]

hey now. i sent 3 people the taunts. 3. 2 were much higher level. one was much lower. the latter got me killed once via another player. the other two kinda were just like "yeah whatever, little man"

[Pali]

Why are you having a hard time?

-You're evil (evils and neuts will be wary at best, goods attacking on sight at worst - lots of enemies, no friends). Had you gone the safer routes of neutral or good (good especially), people would be more inclined to trust you and be friendly with you in game.

-You started a lot of fights with people before your current easing up phase. This earned grudges as well as giving people the idea that you're someone they'll likely have to fight, so they figure they may as well start in the first place. Also, my chars tend to tell their friends and allies who is to be trusted and who is a threat, so word will spread purely in game about you being a hostile person - even if you aren't anymore, that reputation is out there.

-You started lots of fights with people when you're a new player. Frankly, you have to expect to be steamrolled. I keep saying this, and everyone seems to keep ignoring it, but FL is not going to be a place for everyone. It has a steep learning curve (that many gamers these days would not care to learn to get by), not because it isn't newbie-friendly or because we don't give enough information out freely regarding cabal powers and unique items, but because of the depth of tactics and the variety of contexts that battles in this game deal with. It takes a LOT of experience to learn the subtleties of combat in FL, and until you gain that experience you're going to take beating after beating. That's just the way it is.

Now, there are ways to minimize how many beatings you take early on. Don't play evils. Don't play high exp penalty combos (like a mino zerk or elf paladin, as most of your opponents will be higher level than you until 50). Don't use an RP that will handicap your character (like an outcast). Don't start a lot of fights, but instead ask for challenges to the stun. Eventually you'll reach the point where you can handle doing these tougher things, and you'll learn even more from those experiences, but you're not there yet.

EDIT: A comparison that I find fitting... think of FL like the game chess. When you start out, you will lose game after game after game to anyone with even a modicum of experience, and the grand masters will beat you so beautifully that you'll be amazed by how masterful their play is. You won't get good at it in a few days or weeks... it is a game that takes months to even compete in, and years to truly learn the intricacies of. You want my advice on what you should do? Delete all of your current chars. Come up with a fun, interesting, and yet fairly non-violent role-play that you'd enjoy acting out on a good or neutral, preferably fit to a class that most won't see as instantly threatening (healer vs paladin, for instance), and hopefully a class that is fairly survivable and good for exploring (cleric or healer are best, human paladin works all right too). Accept that this character will die a lot from the get-go anyways, and do your best to simply not care. Don't worry about gaining eq. Don't worry about killing anybody. Don't worry about training your skills/spells past 75%. Just run with your RP and let yourself have some fun with it, while slowly letting yourself learn things like where certain bits of nice eq are and what they do, what stores and other places have useful consumables, etc. My first pinned char was a healer who made his mark by gating to people, poking them, yelling "POKE!", and then gating away. I died more with him than I have on any char since... but I learned to love how this game is with him too.

[tassinvegeta]

kinda hard not to "get killed" when im already fighting mobs, blind/trip/bash oh and a backstab while we're all havin a party.

the sleepin off the wounds bit? yeah you try gearing up at 27 health. be my guest.

anyone thats been stuck at a low level for a week of honestly trying to level, raise your hand.

You're stating your problems here, and within them lie solutions. You say you get caught while fighting mobs? Well do you know how often I get caught off guard? Barely any. Do you know why I'm like this now? Its because I knew this was a big problem for me and instead of giving up I wanted to find a solution. Everytime someone even logs into my pk range I imagine them getting ready to pk me and I already mapped out in my head all possible scenarios they can use against me, they sneak up on me, attack me, betray me, I even go as far as to envision the battle, saves and weapon choices go through my head etc.

You say you're sleeping at 27 hp and you get killed? Well that's all the more reason to be more paranoid and find safer more inaccesible places to heal or you can choose not to allow your hp to get that low. When I gear up at that lvl which you really don't need to be doing, I never had a reason to fight toughs mobs that could bring me to that low of hp especially with enemies on. I recently made two noobish mistakes when I was running from an opponent at 64 hp. Not only did I run through town WANTED but I also saw a potential enemy in my path. Now my experience has taught me to not to take chances and turn back but I decided to keep running past him. And guess what happened? Death. It was a painful reminder never to forget to envision the worst possible scenarios happening to you and planning beforehand.

And most importantly do not give up. Because if you do that you're letting them win. And for me victory is more important than anything.

[f0xx]

I don't know mate...

Xhan was rank 1 or 2 in top 10 bounty for gold. And you were somewhere in your 30's. That should speak a lot to you.

Just remember that ingame, even if people know who plays the character (have in mind a lot of people don't visit the forums) they won't hold their blades back if they know your reputation (the one of your character).

When I saw this bounty of yours with my evil character, I thought, "Hey, should I kill the guy and take his bounty (because that is what my character would do) or should I brake my RP and be friendly to him because he is new?". At that time I didn't know it was you who played Xhan, but from his behaviour I could easily tell it was a new player.

Even though I knew that someone else would have taken it if it was not me, I didn't take it and I was friendly to you, as much as an evil character can be friendly to an outcasted mino.

As for your other characters, I dunno, I've never really had MUCH problems with low level PK. When I see someone in PK range in my area, phew, and I am gone. That is the case unless we haven't arranged a meeting for a hunt.

[where pk]

Not to run it into the ground but...pking before 50 is a good way to get used to the experience, but you really aren't going to develop good tatics because everything is different at 50. You have all your skills/spells, you will get different gear than 30, consumable will be different. I remember when I first started I would level a shaman or necro to 30 and pk everyone. I thought I was great, but come to find out all the vets were already at 50 and would just level past me. Then I started to rank to 50...between level 42 and 49 I thought that at level 50 you got like an extra 500 hp/mana because the lvl 50's were destroying me. Then at lvl 50 I learned that you dont get anything, but it just a different game than at lvl 30. Oh and all the people that I were killing at lvl 30 remembered when I was at 50 where there isn't a multikill restriction.

As for learning not to die, you should learn to type where pk, who pk every couple of seconds. I try to never let my hp or mana get below half because I feel like there is always someone waiting around the corner. Oh and if you are dying when you are sleeping, you should only learn to sleep at the end of a tick. I have been gone for 3 years and just made a character. I got to 50 without a death by not trying to pk anyone (until 50) and being paranoid.

PS: I type where pk so much that when I was registering for the forum I was sitting there trying to think of an awesome login name with all the other fields entered and out of habit typed where pk and hit enter and now by accident my forum name is "where pk"