BigPapa Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 I just ran into these bad boys. I dont even know what to say about them other than W t f? Any help as to why they exist? What is the point? Are they as bad$$$ as I think they are? Or am I overthinking these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest emp_newb Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 You are overthinking. They ar enot burnproof, low avg damage, can bedisarmed. There are definately ways around them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 They were not that bad. But now they are. I think it is a completely unbalancing weapon. I am still waiting for someone to roll a warrior, and dual wield them while suited in DAmrol gear. Murder;flee;murder. PS: Doublesheath will work wonders. And their damage is not Low. Same as a Marmelade orb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest emp_newb Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 they are 21 avg damage. Elf only. Disarmable, burnproof. Someone DID make a warrior in damroll gear. It was Elshan the elf warrior. And they got toned down from before is what I got from the changes. They used to be better.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 They are not 21 avg damage. They are the same as a Marmelade orb. Any weapon can be made burn proof. Any weapon can be made Owner only. A weapon like this should never exist in the games mechanics. Edited for less info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 Mya is right an all of her points this time. They also hit a certain vuln. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest emp_newb Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 They are not 21 avg damage. They are the same as a Marmelade orb. Any weapon can be made burn proof. Any weapon can be made Owner only. A weapon like this should never exist in the games mechanics. Edited for less info. Mya, I have the ID. They 21 average damage, no boost to hit or dam. and are ELF ONLY. There is no reason to play an elf melee the vast majority of the time, these flails are nice yes, but VERY far from perfection. Ask elshan, he was in a very nice suit of gear, with a powerfully enchanted pair of mindflayers WITH flail warrior lore. They are not as insane as you think. And as far as Burnproof goes they are still disarmable. If you think they are overpowered, then roll up an elf melee, and go rape faces. I guarantee you sing a different tune when bashes cause you to scream at your screen, and your flails are sacrifice while you stand helpless. There is also the fact that Elves, even melee elves, usually have horrid HP. My elf sader had 900. That is with train conserving, using + con items to level, AND all the train quests I could think of. not to mention most of my skills started out mastered since I trained decently before I went sader. Elf Hp is miniscule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 Check your PM box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 I have a feeling you have an outdated ID of the mindflayers Emp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest emp_newb Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 Im the one who brought this weapon to the attention of the people now using it! ME! I stumbled upon the idea that that particular type of damage is unblockable while trying to train anatomies. ME! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA And omg if my ID is outdated, the difference is 1 average damage. 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-guitarist Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 Im the one who brought this weapon to the attention of the people now using it! ME! I stumbled upon the idea that that particular type of damage is unblockable while trying to train anatomies. ME! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA And omg if my ID is outdated' date=' the difference is 1 average damage. 1.[/quote'] Emp, man, 1 damage is a lot. Think about it, every time you hit someone you do one extra damage. So, if the average player hits their opponent 50 times in combat, that's 50 extra damage.... with them in your hands you'd do at least 6 or 7 extra damage. It could turn the tide of the battle. a-g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest emp_newb Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 Yea, except my weapon is the assflayer. You know what that extra damage feels like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 "Mya, I have the ID. They 21 average damage, no boost to hit or dam." "And omg if my ID is outdated, the difference is 1 average damage. 1." Don't forget the Dam roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest emp_newb Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 oh ****, anything but an elf with + 1 damroll! Wtf can we do. Better get a DK, Necro, and Vamp grouped together. Maybe even a cleric. You know what an elf can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telufial Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 yeah.. good point. Elshan DID rape face with those flails, but he was also cursing half the time when they'd get sac'd or destroyed. Being a good you can't kill the mob to get them to respawn, so it requires either OOC ties, a world shift, or you paying someone to go kill him.. which is not something I think a good aligned elf would do to another elf They are not as overpowered as you guys claim I have yet to see a ranger dual wielding those flails rape anyone like Elshan did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 I actually have a 42 rank somewhere ranger with two of those, I thought it is too easy to kill with him though, that's why I made an ogre ranger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandbox Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 I actually have a 42 rank somewhere ranger with two of those' date=' I thought it is too easy to kill with him though, that's why I made an ogre ranger [/quote'] your logic is inherently flawed, if its too easy to kill with elf ranger, why make ogre which is way stronger? edit: or perhaps you were making a statement about how OP this an many items can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 Yep, seen the same Ranger dualing them. With a third in his Sheath and seeking a fourth Mindlfail. I would probably just get a good spear, and wear the flail in the off hand. Only two classes can disarm off hands, and only if they remember it. The spear means you will live long enough to outmeele anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-guitarist Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 your logic is inherently flawed, if its too easy to kill with elf ranger, why make ogre which is way stronger? edit: or perhaps you were making a statement about how OP this an many items can be. In college they offered a class about sarcasm and satire in modern media. I used to think it was a pointless class to offer. a-g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 A-G nailed it there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest emp_newb Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 Shortly there after A-G was able to decide on his major. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest emp_newb Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 Elshan was not always raping faces. He spent a good amount of time prepping heavily to do that raping, and also spent alot of time in game deciding what EQ to gather so he could emphasize those flails. I beat Elshan when he was dualing those flails as a mino zerk. I had a nice compliment of gear mind you, but zerk vs war has always been an argument for getting pwned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacobis Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 The Staff looked into those flails very deeply. The fact they are still there tells you our opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HouselessRogue Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 When Elshan had those and a certain Rod it became very ridiculous. I remember specifically winning a fight with him then he switched to those and I had to recall within two rounds. Haste + unblockable damage = no time to disarm and sac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest emp_newb Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 Elshan was avatar..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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