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Thank yous: Twinblades713, Mudder, -Totemkopf-, Emp_Newb, Djriacen, where pk, Ali_gmud, Aulian, Pali, Mya, Deykari, Mindflayer, Iusedtobesomebody, Dale,tassinvegeta, Kyzarius ... probably missed a few here but most of you have helped me a ton

**** yous: HouselessRogue, I've Killed for Less, Mali ... think i got them all here.

** if your not in the mood to hear a noob rant, stop reading here**

Well i was abused so many times, people abusing cabal skills beating the **** out of me every time i hit 42/43 and tooling me around , i made a few mistakes and killed two people ooc out of frustration. After talking to Anume i have decided that i will probably end up doing this in the future, and there's no real way for me to enjoy this game anymore. The only reason i did this is because i felt like these people weren't being punished, and these people didnt give a **** if i was new or not, they still steamrolled me instead of helping me learn.

To the staff, it seams like you care, and for the most part you do a good job. Sorry for those incidents but i did log all my conversations with anume and only two of those chats were for ooc kills. The rest were for "rp problems" with Emertis. I enjoyed my rp, not everyone is cookie cutter rp i think the fact that you punish people for not being generic is a poison to this game, but thats a personal opinion take it how you will.

I've come to realize this mud is about hording information and rolling power combos. There were a few people who helped me, and i thank them twinblades713 and Mudder both very classy people, as well as a few others.

There is a group of two people, im not saying any names but if you are grouped with eachother every character the two of you make, regardless thats very ooc and im tired of getting killed by you two, across multiple characters.

I made an avid attempt to push through all the bull****. Recently i had a person use ooc info to kill me so i used another character to kill him because i figured it was fair game. well he snitched me out, but im sure ****-all will happen to him.

in conclusion 90% of you are good people, but that 10% that i see doing the same **** all the time that led me too these two OOC incidents is ruining this game. I admit i was wrong but .... nothing will happen to those people so i'll just leave this place he way i found it. i'm not going to have some immortal threaten to ban me over two slip ups when this **** happens to me on a day to day basis. I think ill do what i should have done after i got continuously screwed over by houselessrogues characters when i first came here and get out while i can, because honestly im so pissed off at other peoples abuse ive started doing it myself and im not cool with being that guy and i dont want to ruin it for the rest of you.

** end rant **

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1. If you think someone is breaking the rules, report it.

2. Only because we do not tell you, x got slain / demoted /whatever, does not mean nothing has happened.

3. Reread this in a bit and have a look at your attitude. You can be sure nobody will threaten to ban you over two incidents. However if you are wrong and still give the Imms lip about it, that does not make us more patient. Claiming we are all out after you and do not punish anyone else is rediculous.

4. Some races are restricted to certain aligns for balance reasons. It has nothing to do with ignoring rp or wanting cookiecutter rp (astonishingly real cookiecutter generic rp is incredibly rare), it has something to do with balance. If you want an evil char, choose one at creation who can be evil.

5. Sometimes it is good to stop blaming anyone but oneself for ones problems.

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1. If you think someone is breaking the rules' date=' report it.[/quote']

I try not to waste other people time with stupid issues that should have been handled in game in the first place. There are about 10 incidents i should have reported i didn't nobody's fault but my own i suppose.

2. Only because we do not tell you, x got slain / demoted /whatever, does not mean nothing has happened.

Perception is reality. If i have perceived you have done nothing that is my reality until i have been told otherwise i will assume that is the case, human nature.

3. Reread this in a bit and have a look at your attitude. You can be sure nobody will threaten to ban you over two incidents. However if you are wrong and still give the Imms lip about it, that does not make us more patient. Claiming we are all out after you and do not punish anyone else is rediculous.

1) yes your right, i probably will regret my attitude, however im one of those people who feel if you dont think something is being done properly take it into your own hands. And I dont think your all out after me, im claiming that you poorly document your administrative actions and you are trying to punish me for things that never happened.

4. Some races are restricted to certain aligns for balance reasons. It has nothing to do with ignoring rp or wanting cookiecutter rp (astonishingly real cookiecutter generic rp is incredibly rare), it has something to do with balance. If you want an evil char, choose one at creation who can be evil.

Not all evils start out evil, in fact most evils start out normal people and something during their life, or something they cant controll usually takes over them and they BECOME evil. 99% of people who were evil throughtout history were not born evil, they became evil due to actions they performed and the enviroment they grew up in. And berserkers are hardly OP so dont cry balance, if you want to cry balance try fixing your classes so that their balanced first.

5. Sometimes it is good to stop blaming anyone but oneself for ones problems.

Funny, every time i kill someone they write a note to immortal about my gear being too high...

Where do you think i got that gear? I don't even know how or where to get it if i HAD a 50. I got it because certain tools will xfer **** to their lowbies and then attack me with it.

I cant tell you how many times in a night i see full suits sitting on the ground near rheydin or valmiran when im out stocking up on herbs.

Those two OOC incidents were uncalled for from a rules aspect, but sometimes when your not getting results you have to create results. I'm tired of the **** happening to me so i dealt with it the way i knew how.

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Wow,

Take a few breathes dude. You've not been playing very long and already feel like this.

I used to feel like this many years ago, like I was being picked on and discriminated against. I also had a bit of a hot temper and wouldn't mind giving the IMM's what for. I used to believe that even a couple of the Imm's were conspiring against me, due to some very usual things that happened. I was so bloody paranoid that for a time I played through a proxy.

The secret is to keep out of game stuff out of game, in game stuff in game. Start talking to blokes out of game about in game stuff and vice versa and you start to run into dramas. Don't reveal any of your characters, I believe this is what halfway ruins the game.

I never used to be perfect. I can tell you I used to just kill Despiser's characters just because he was Despiser and if I didn't get the jump, he'd be nailing my arse (oh, and he was like my arch nemesis, haha). Not exactly a prime example of behaviour I can tell you that, but he did exactly the same in return = no good. We were just breeding bad game behaviour. Most of the time there was also a good in game reason to be fighting each other (we always seemed to be on the opposite side of the playing field) but not all the time. Knowing who people play is bad bad bad in my opinion. No matter how much you think you can just pretend you don't know this info, it does affect your play style. I played alot more blood thirsty characters, and killed a crap load more people before knowing who everyone was playing. I also learnt more. I wasn't like ...crap... xxx is played by some super elite, I better log, or run and hide. I got in there and gave it a go. Most of the time I came out triumphant. Other times I had to run with my tail between my legs.

Anyway, if you do decide to play, cut off all ties from the outside world, and just work with your character. I don't know who these people are that your talking about, or who they play, but thats quite possibly because they don't make it as downright obvious on the forum who they play (well, maybe they do and I just completely miss it).

Anyway, from experience, chill out. If you're getting this engrossed in the game it isn't going to be fun. It sure got rid of the fun for me, instead, it seemed like a chore.

Also, not everything that you may think is OOC is OOC. I think you recall previously saying you killed a someone cause you thought they killed someone using OOC knowledge or something. Well, as far as I know, that person that you killed hadn't killed anyone at the time, so I think that was a fudge up there.

Anyway, good luck with it mate.

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I am not sure where your hostility to me is coming from but it is sorely misplaced. I don't have OOC groups. I talk to Twinblades, BigPapa and occasionally Emp-Newb. That's it. I have fought all three of them. Maerothir was my nemesis with Loquaciant. (He was emp-newb). If you would look around the forum you will see where I have groaned about OOC grouping myself. I have also groaned about the restrictions on information.

I would like you to clarify how my characters have repeatedly "screwed" you. I would also like to know how you know who I play?

I don't want to see you quit but I am not going to apologize for playing a character. Evil is evil. Good is good. It is a roleplaying game... emphasis on game. Don't break the rules. You'll be fine. From the conversation we had, you aren't as new as would like us to believe and you should know better than acting like this.

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Never ever reveal who you play.

Also, if you see something Wrong, report it. Prayers forum, or a simple note do wonders.

I report all the time. Most times something is done. What, i never know. Imms tend to keep it secret.

Do not worry about Power suits pre 40. Even in 50 suits, people will die, to good strategy at this stage.

One thing i disagree with Immortals is about Punishment.

Punishment should be public, in order to inspire respect for the rules.

If the public does not notice that people are being punished for breaking it, they will gain a sense of impunity.

When you make punishment public you affect the wrong doer, and send a message to the general population that makes them think twice about doing wrong things.

A simple note is enough.

"ZYZ has been found duplicating slabs of star stone, and has been relived of his armor for his ethernal shame. May this serve you all a Lesson."

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Re Mya: This is usually only done in those cases where a char is denied via slay to condeath. The reason is simple, we want to give the player a chance to keep playing their character. If we made all punishments public, players would react to the knowledge of what a char has done and treat him differently in the future. If it is not a deny, it's meant to be a second chance to behave better and keep playing the character.

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Sandbox, buddy. AIM is the devil. I NEVER even logged on AIM when I played FL. For the first two years or so. I began chatting, back in the day, to two people. Despiser and LA back when I was in highschool.

They helped me with random newbie and PK type questions that I had. They were mature enough to keep OOC things OOC and IG things IG.

These people helped me a lot back in my newbie days. AIM can be awesome for learning. Limit your contacts. These days? I talk to two people on AIM. I recommend finding the two people that help you the most and only talk to them. There is no reason to have 8+ people chatting with you.

The more people that you have OOC contact with, the more things IG will seem messed up, or OOC. Even if they aren't. I have NEVER in my 9 years of playing this game ever felt as if I had been the target of OOC hatred. Not many people can say that. Why? Because they have tons of OOC contacts.

In the end, find a small handful of helpful people or friends. The rest? Keep to the forum, PM them. They won't add to the enjoyment of the game. You've had a very high profile forum presence lately. Don't name your characters for awhile, apparently it just makes you a target. But I guarantee, those same people will kill you anyway even without naming... Because that is just their play style.

EDIT: Also, as Anume said. If you want to play a character that slowly progresses to evil (That is fantastic RP) then choose a character that can be both neutral/evil. Roll neutral. Then slowly start acting evil. They WILL change you to evil (or you can just apply for it) Problem solved. :)

Otherwise, expect to get some sort of gimping. I rolled a Faerie Druid. Power combo? Hardly. As a Druid, I had like 6 skills and 5 spells. Hah! It was a joke. But it's what happens when you stray from the common race/classes.

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I understand your point. I would do the same for kids.

But Adults/ young adults need to understand that breaking the rules will have lasting consequences such as ostracisation.

People looks sideways at rulebreakers, because ostracisation protects us all as deterring system.

It is normally more efficient to work on prevention than on correction.

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If you wish to play games' date=' we can just ban both, how about that? I'm tired of this.[/quote']

i made a post in prayer about the "other account" i was trying to register for a nother ****ing game and i accidently clicked your site on TMS , excuse the **** out of me. Oh and by the way this is a prime example of why i cant stand your administrative methods. Another thing that could have been handled by a simple PM that you must waive in my face. if you read more into **** before acting we wouldnt be in the post we are now.

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And if you would not be pretending to be a newer player than you actually are to get vets to symphathise with you when you are using slang that is not newbiish at all, and if you would actually show the manners not to constantly cuss at people you wouldn't get banned.

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I don't understand why you are getting so worked up over a game dude. If bad things happen to you in this game it is usually karma. You mouth about your character all the time, people see that and know who you have played and take out OOC vengeance (thats lame, but it happens). I have been trashed by one of your characters before and logged it if you don't believe me, but seriously dude? What goes around tends to come around. Its cool, I get smacked around all the time, but I still manage to have fun doing it.

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