REPEALED: Finalized Rules on Cabal Warfare Interference

[Raargant]

If it's attacking the guard, it's interference.

If it's attacking the person at the guard while they are in the middle of defending/preparing to defend/just after defending, it's interference.

If its attacking one or two rooms away from the cabal or inside the cabal (assuming the 'strong' guardian is dead), it's interference.

If it's healing the altar/guardian/guarding person, it's interference.

If it's fighting in order to assist the retrieval/taking of a standard, it's interference. PLEASE TAKE NOTE OF THIS ONE. This means that you, as a caballed person, should NOT be telling your clanmates, "Bash soandso and keep him laglocked while I take his standard."

It is NOT interference to ask clannies to assist in evening up a gangbang, IF it's for the purpose of PK, not standard taking/retrieval. In other words, if it's asking a clanny to do any of the above, it's NOT allowed. However, if it's asking a clanny to engage in PK when none of the above (attacking the guards, one or two rooms away, etc.) are involved, it IS allowed.

If it's a caballed ally called in to even up the numbers/re-take the standard, it is NOT interference, as caballed allies have always been able to retrieve standards for each other, but it should only be done when the numbers are unequal.

These rules apply to EVERYBODY. Including Syndicates out for a contract, and Tribunals out after criminals.

[Psycho Child]

Pretty clear to me, no problem from my end.

[Acerbity]

Three cheers for Raargant!

[Icor]

THANK YOU. Hopefully we'll never hear people complaining about it again.

[Designated_Driver]

THANK YOU. Hopefully we'll never hear people complaining about it again.

Hah. Good one.

[Pali]

I'm betting that within a week we'll have people bitching again.

[Raargant]

They can if they want, but this is pretty much finalized.

[ainbimagh]

So if I read this right its kind of a noganging decree, yes?

[Sinavestos]

Errr seems to me there might need to be a clarification there ... for instances when say, there are 5 savants and 2 warmasters logged. Can the 5 savants group to take the WM standard, and beat the snot out of the two WM that come to defend? That's always how I saw cabal warfare working out ... the more people your cabal has logged in, the better. Maybe clarify?

[Acerbity]

That's allowed, but more so it depends on the Savant cabal IMM if he allows it or doesn't. Otherwise, it's actually encouraged. (Basically Chayesh's words.)

[Raargant]

This refers solely to non-vendettas. For example, a member of Hope attacking a Nexus who is fighting a Knight at the Knight altar.

Feel free to gangbang to your heart's content if you are in a cabal. However, some cabal IMM leaders may be against that (Warmasters/Knight being obvious ones) from an RP point of view. From a rules point of view, however, 5 Savants are totally permissible if they gang the crap out of 2 Warmasters, from a 'rules' perspective.

From a 'classiness' perspective, that's something else entirely.

[Ex-D&Der]

If it's a caballed ally called in to even up the numbers/re-take the standard' date=' it is NOT interference, as caballed allies have always been able to retrieve standards for each other, but it should only be done when the numbers are unequal.[/quote']

Doesn't this contradict that?

[MeleeCrazy]

I'm pretty sure he meant allies from different cabals......

[Raargant]

The alliance system has always permitted cabal allies to retrieve standards for each other.

Say, Knight and Warmaster are allied. Nexus has the Knight standard. Even if no Knights were on at all, a Warmaster could go to the Nexus cabal, attack the altar, get the standard, head to the Knight cabal, and return the standard (and get CP's for it).

It's always been allowed for allies to help standard retrieval. That's one of the perks of alliances, and the only real exception to the rule (which is why I specifically brought it up).

[Chayesh]

Follow cabal IMMs' directives on grouping to take/retrieve standards. They make the rules for their cabals. It's completely legal from a rules perspective. If they want something different for their cabal, they can feel free to make the rules more restrictive.

And to be clear...this is less about ganging and all about keeping unneeded outside influence from the fight for standards, a benefit/curse of being in a cabal. Clannies, this is NOT your fight. You will get stomped for sticking your nose into it. You have nothing to do with standards. Keep out of it. Cabaled people, if it doesn't have to do with your standard, it's not "cabal warfare". I hear this all the time. Just because you're the Savant fighting a WM in normal PK nowhere near an altar does not mean you get to cry "cabal interference" if some clannie or anyone else jumps in. Ganging, perhaps. Cabal interference, no. Being in a cabal is NOT a PK shield.

Bounties may be collected more than two rooms from a cabal altar. Same with capture of wanted criminals/outlaws by Tribunal. Understand cabaled people, this is not a PK shield. Just because you have someone attacking your home and you get jumped 2 full whole areas away from your altar, do not come bitching to us about it. Just because you took on the added responsibility of a cabal does not mean your world got safer or that you get a free pass from PK. You get two rooms from your altar and inside your cabal while you defend, take, or retrieve.

Oh, one more thing, I have given directives to all the cabal IMMs to tear you a new mudhole if you are hanging around these areas for no purpose other than avoiding PK. Don't abuse this.

[Chayesh]

The alliance system has always permitted cabal allies to retrieve standards for each other.

Say, Knight and Warmaster are allied. Nexus has the Knight standard. Even if no Knights were on at all, a Warmaster could go to the Nexus cabal, attack the altar, get the standard, head to the Knight cabal, and return the standard (and get CP's for it).

It's always been allowed for allies to help standard retrieval. That's one of the perks of alliances, and the only real exception to the rule (which is why I specifically brought it up).

Thanks, Raar. To further clarify, this is even coded as the allied cabal's defender will take the standard from an ally when you enter just as if you were cabaled.

[myrek]

thanks for the clarification... i was a bit lost before

[Raargant]

We IMM's weren't 100% sure on what the definition of 'interference' was, either; some of us had different interpretations, which led to confusion amongst the pbase. We hashed it out over the recent few weeks. Hopefully, this should answer everything.

[Chayesh]

I'd also like to thank the entire staff for their input. Everyone of them put some thought or idea into this and it really does prove "There is wisdom in many couselors." This is a solid rule and definition that I think covers everything nicely.

[Chayesh]

Added to Divine Mandates.

[Sinavestos]

It's nice to have actual Gods that talk to you. I'm never going to church again. ;P

[delfytheelfy]

I have a question, if say cabal person 1 is attacked and defends cabal and such, and kills cabal person 2. Does cabal person 1 have the right to stay in cabal long enough to heal up?

Thanks.

[Raargant]

He'll be too bloody to rest inside his cabal anyhow.

[myrek]

It's nice to have actual Gods that talk to you. I'm never going to church again. ;P

hell no! that would cut in to fl time

[Acerbity]

Of course he does.. But, if Cabal Person #2 were smart, he'd take the standard then, come back, and finish off Cabal Person #1 inside his cabal.