dragonforger17 Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 dont want to offend anyone first off. 2nd im not up for a religous debate either. just wondering about atheism for an argument else where? thoughts idead go for it please. atheist belevie there is no higher power. now that is their beleif is that all their is to the religion or is their more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deykari Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 There are a few takes on it. My own view, if you want to give it a label, is commonly referred to as agnostic atheism. Basically, I do not believe in the existence of any deity or higher power, however I am aware of the fact that it is IMPOSSIBLE to prove that. If that makes any sense. Dey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-guitarist Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 I guess it would depend on how strict the definition of Atheist you're looking for, and how strict the definition the atheist feels to adhere to. Many Atheists I know just don't believe in a higher power, but are the most morale people I've met. Some atheists I know are jackasses, ethically and morally. The basic, bread and butter label is, "There is no God. We are what we are, we are what we see." basically. Some go further, some go lighter. Much lighter than that is Agnosticism, I believe. But, I'm not too sure about that. a-g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudder Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Yes, A-G is right. Atheism isn't a religion and to try and peg down "what atheists believe" makes no sense, because it is not a religion of sorts. It is a lack of religion. We all believe different things, but the unifying theme is that we know there is/are no God/Gods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBwillie Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 I'm a believer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Atheism doesn't make sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-guitarist Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Nothing does, but we still love you, Twinblades. Basically, I find the whole need to label every religious choice one thing or another a bother. I'm not sure where I fall into things, I hate being lumped in with New Age titles, as I never align with any of them. But, when I was an atheist it got to the point where I just didn't care what I was, I knew what I believed and that was enough. As it stands: You are what you are, they are what they are, and if you've got Detect Good up, you know who to kill. a-g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Without the existence of theists (people who believe in one or more deities), atheism as a term wouldn't even exist - it'd just be the standard. For example, you don't label people who don't believe in unicorns a-unicornists. Personally, I'd prefer never to use the term at all because I don't see the point in labeling myself by what positions I don't hold. I'm a skeptic... not accepting theism was simply the logical consequence of my skepticism. EDIT: However, I do use the term because of the negative stigma that has grown up around it... as Randall Graves would say, I'm taking it back. People tend to have a lot of misconceptions regarding atheists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudder Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 People tend to have a lot of misconceptions regarding atheists. I know! It's crazy some of the crap people were raised with. I was talking to a girl who was raised to believe atheists were devil worshipers! Lol. What?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 I know! It's crazy some of the crap people were raised with. I was talking to a girl who was raised to believe atheists were devil worshipers! Lol. What?! Rofl. That's like... directly the opposite.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudder Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Seriously. Ironic enough, a devoutly conservative christian is closer to being a devil worshiper than an atheist. They have crossed the boundary in believing in a devil. Atheists haven't even gone that far. A silly world we live in my friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Pali had a point earlier though... I'm aunicornist. I've never seen one of those things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 I know! It's crazy some of the crap people were raised with. I was talking to a girl who was raised to believe atheists were devil worshipers! Lol. What?! Scripturally speaking, we're not so much Devil worshipers as unwitting agents of the Devil, sowing doubt and discord and attempting to draw people away from the Lord. There are many people who believe that doubting God is itself a sin... if you look at it from a memetic perspective, this can be seen as a wonderful defense mechanism that their belief system has evolved over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Pali had a point earlier though... I'm aunicornist. I've never seen one of those things. My point isn't that you are an a-unicornist. It's that you'd never label yourself that because it's irrelevant without the majority of people being unicornists... it's a position you don't hold, not a position you do hold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudder Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 There are many people who believe that doubting God is itself a sin... if you look at it from a memetic perspective' date=' this can be seen as a wonderful defense mechanism that their belief system has evolved over time.[/quote'] Well that is a decent defense mechanism, so is when they used to slaughter the nonbelievers. Heh, some of that is still going on even to this day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 My point isn't that you are an a-unicornist. It's that you'd never label yourself that because it's irrelevant without the majority of people being unicornists... it's a position you don't hold' date=' not a position you do hold.[/quote'] Yes, but I want to take a militant stance against people who believe in unicorns. Also, my personal experiences haven't shown me that the majority of people (at least catholics in my community, and protestants in my friend's) believe doubting God is a sin. I believe and was taught to believe questioning is a good thing. If I did not wonder, I wouldn't care when I learn it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Yes' date=' but I want to take a militant stance against people who believe in unicorns.[/quote'] That'd be anti-unicornism, not a-unicornism. There's a difference. Also, my personal experiences haven't shown me that the majority of people (at least catholics in my community, and protestants in my friend's) believe doubting God is a sin. I believe and was taught to believe questioning is a good thing. If I did not wonder, I wouldn't care when I learn it all. Even if your community is representative of religious people as a whole, note that I never said majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mali Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Atheism is the belief that there is no good or hope in the world. It is usually combined with a very narrow and selfish view of the universe and the idea that everyone who believes in God is stupid. Atheists are generally intelligent people that have been jaded by a past event. Some of them, lacking a definitive or meaningful view of the heavens, begin to worship science like Tom Cruise and other very rich and popular people. Then you have those who claim to believe in 'Spinoza's God' which is a strange mixed bag of nuts. However, periods of intense atheism are usually followed by enlightenment. Your condition will most likely pass with time. However, if it doesn't you may wish to see a doctor, a rabbi, a priest, or a bodhisattva. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-guitarist Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Mali, you kill me. a-g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inscribed Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 i think it was virigoth who compared conversations about philosophy to masturbation. i think the same comparison applies to conversations about religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 That'd be anti-unicornism' date=' not a-unicornism. [/quote'] Hey Pali. Shut up. I can go forever, you cannot. Do you know why? I don't need logic to continue posting, and I know you do. That's where your weakness is. That being said, I'm not against unicorns, or anything about them, but I am violently against the idea of their existence. I am not anti unicornist, I am aunicornist. Also I was posting in my experience. That's why I said.... my personal experiences... Just thought you might wanna know. I try to throw my two cents in and you're wiping boogers all over it. D: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 That being said' date=' I'm not against unicorns, or anything about them, but I am violently against the idea of their existence. I am not anti unicornist, I am aunicornist.[/quote'] Aunicornism would be lacking belief in unicorns. Antiunicornism would be direct opposition/hostility to the idea. You're mixing up your prefixes here. And Mali... I sincerely hope you were joking, because your post could not be more wrong. And Tom Cruise hardly worships science... Scientology may have stolen a lot of the same letters, but it is just as unscientific as any other religion (hell, even more so than some). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Aunicornism would be lacking belief in unicorns. Antiunicornism would be direct opposition/hostility to the idea. You're mixing up your prefixes here. Maybe I'm antiPali. How about that. No wait, even better. I'm apali-ist. I don't believe you exist. Hell, I'm both. And you're a fish. Take that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pali Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Do you like fish sticks, Twinblades? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Do you like fish sticks' date=' Twinblades?[/quote'] Pali, if I was gay, I could do better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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