Laeclatheryn

[Anume]

Saying he had close to no Imm interaction when I alone talked to him at least 4 - 5 times is also a bit odd. :confused:

[Zhokril]

Saying he had close to no Imm interaction when I alone talked to him at least 4 - 5 times is also a bit odd. :confused:

Ditto, seeing as I have definitely spoken with him before. Its surprising how much exaggeration is often involved to prove a point.

[Grosek_]

Calling someone a liar instead of asking for clarification is true asshatery Zhokril.

Was it OOC talking or IC talking? I think what he was trying to say is that there was a lack of immortal interaction of the immortals choosing. When he spoke to you, if I am not mistaken, he asked a question... got a reply... and that was that.

Anyways, this is a digression and deflection on your post. Simply trying to attack him instead of responding. If this is going to be a flamefest, we might as well just stop here.

[Jedi_Donkey]

I just want to hold hands and sing songs, anyone want to join me?:confused:

[Jacobis]

You want the truth?

The char was 2 weeks old. Not nearly enough time to get an accurate view of the char.

The player sent a PM to an IMM stating "I would really like to get an answer sooner rather than later." This PM was 3 days ago, btw.

The char was given a task IG/IC and she basically said "no".

I'm surprised I continued watching (giving another chance) rather than rejecting it right away.

[Mali]

Since you deleted so quickly, you have shown why you did not deserve the qclass.

This mentality of "I want it, so give it to me, or the character isn't worth anything" is the wrong way to go about it.

Play for fun, not for something you want or something that someone else has to give to you.

Then you say you are leaving the game. Whatever

But, I hope you do stick around and play. I liked the character, and I liked the notes. See ya in game!

[Grosek_]

I had to ask him about the task. If it is what he is saying, then while he was trying RP a religious and nonviolent pilgrimage (after giving away almost all of his clotheS)... and had just began it, you had told him to kill a Veteran Nexus member who's class is known to be rediculous to fight as a paladin.

As I said... PVP Enforced, RP allowed.

Also, you conveniently left out the part that he wrote saying, "I understand it is a qclass and is meant to be, but I hoping to just meet you in game. Is there a time that I had best to reach you considering we have a schedule mismatch." or something of the sort.

[Twinblades713]

The character was literally an asset, I loved her. She became a waste of time the moment she was deleted.

[Jacobis]

I had to ask him about the task. If it is what he is saying, then while he was trying RP a religious and nonviolent pilgrimage (after giving away almost all of his clotheS)... and had just began it, you had told him to kill a Veteran Nexus member who's class is known to be rediculous to fight as a paladin.

As I said... PVP Enforced, RP allowed.

It's not my problem if the target is "hard" to fight as any given class. That's why it's called a TASK. It's supposed to be hard. You're SUPPOSED to earn the spot.

As for the RP, I liked it. I really did. But here's the kicker: it's MY RP to expect certain things from my crusaders. And in the vein she was going in, she didn't meet those expectations. I applaud her for sticking to her RP, but in doing so dampened her chances.

[f0xx]

Calling someone a liar instead of asking for clarification is true asshatery Zhokril.

Come on now, are we going to sing the old song again? Someone doesn't get something in-game and it's all immortals' fault? We all know how it ends...

Did you get rejected? No? Then you had to prove yourself more. How is that so hard to understand?

It is a QUEST class. Not everyone who applies for it is supposed to get it.

I personally have no idea why paladins apply for crusaders... all of the paladins who have been made crusaders have been which I've fought have been MANY times stronger as paladins, and as Jacobis said, while Laeclatheryn's RP was flawless, his PK was lacking. I am not trying to defend anyone, but if your PK is lacking as paladin, then it will be AWFUL as crusader.

The only thing which I agree with, in Svnt's original post, is the gripe against no feedback from the immortal in charge of the quest class. Perhaps a small RP note hinting towards his weak points (PK in her case) could have been sent. To me though, it seems like you gave up way too easy.

[Grosek_]

In a perfect world... this could have been said about a week ago, in game or out Jacobis. Instead, you decided to not say a word to him and ignore it.

and Foxx, you have to remember that her PK was lacking partially, because she chose not to pk or wear rares in favor of RP. If just RP wasn't good enough, perhaps she should have been told a little earlier than mid-plot.

[Jacobis]

And before the complaints come in about PK being a main consideration, listen to this. You don't have to be a PK monster in my book to be given a shot. However, you do have show you have the guts to against "hard" enemies, against the odds, naked, decked, hungry, thirsty, whatever- as long as you show you're willing, you'll be considered.

[Grosek_]

Once again... why was this not said much.... much earlier. Or at least an attempt to help him with his RP as Anume does consistently with people.

[Jacobis]

I explained it to him, Grosek. Stop trying to drum up sympathy just because one player didn't get what he wanted when he wanted it.

[Grosek_]

No, Jacobis, my point is... you didn't explain it to him. You didn't speak to him once while not wizi'ed... and while wizi'ed, his log said that you told him to kill someone. When he tried to RP with you, you logged.

He wanted interaction with the immortal of his alignment somewhere in the matter of a two week span... of some kind. Which he didn't get. There is something wrong with that, IMO... and we are trying to talk about that and qclass requirements.

[Pali]

In my opinion, Jacobis wasn't looking for anything more than should be expected of a qrace/class applicant. That's the norm... you're given an order, you at least attempt to carry it out. If you fail you fail... but I'm willing to bet that if he'd died against that Nexus he'd have gotten sadered. Small price to pay.

[Grosek_]

Pali, Jacobis was wizi'ed... therefore... someone told Savnt to kill the cleric. Not Jacobis. As Savnt tried to RP with him... he logged. Also, it would be breaking the RP at the time, which Savnt wanted to be sure about before he did it but didn't have a chance to really talk to the God... whomever it may be.

I feel like maybe I am getting carried away defending my cousin, or ranting at you guys... but this really seems like some kind of problem to me. Should I care? I think so, anyways.

[Pali]

An IMM told him to kill the cleric. That's enough knowledge when you're applying for a qclass/race... and it makes a certain sense for him to be wizinvis, considering that saders worship The One God, not Jacobis.

[Grosek_]

I suppose, but to me... and I don't know if this was his line of thinking... that is a dangerous gambit considering evil gods tending to try to corrupt and trick the Good in to doing things. He just wanted to be sure, but the immortal immediately left the lands.

[Jacobis]

No' date=' Jacobis, my point is... you didn't explain it to him. You didn't speak to him once while not wizi'ed... and while wizi'ed, his log said that you told him to kill someone. When he tried to RP with you, you logged.[/quote']

I told him why my presence was very limited the past three weeks, which just so happens to fall during his char's short life span. I logged off due to that same reason.

He wanted interaction with the immortal of his alignment somewhere in the matter of a two week span... of some kind. Which he didn't get. There is something wrong with that, IMO... and we are trying to talk about that and qclass requirements.

I'm sorry if I couldn't tailor my entire life for Savnt. Whoops.

[Pali]

No offense, dude, but that sounds like a huge stretch on your part to try to still not make it your friend's fault. First, he was ordered to kill a Nexus... hardly something outside of a Crusader's line of work. Second, I highly doubt any of the IMMs would try to screw over someone's RP by wizinvis telling them to do things they shouldn't.

[Grosek_]

I told him why my presence was very limited the past three weeks, which just so happens to fall during his char's short life span. I logged off due to that same reason.

I'm sorry if I couldn't tailor my entire life for Savnt. Whoops.

Couldn't tailor your life to him, or couldn't spend 13 seconds sending a short note of some kind in the matter of 2 weeks?

[Grosek_]

Second' date=' I highly doubt any of the IMMs would try to screw over someone's RP by wizinvis telling them to do things they shouldn't.[/quote']

No, but in the same tense, it would show an absence of faith on the paladins part to just forsake her pilgrimage for promises of what she wants for the small cost of someones life.... without at least spending an in game hour or two rp'ing to find out who is doing the asking.

[Pali]

No' date=' but in the same tense, it would show an absence of faith on the paladins part to just forsake her pilgrimage for promises of what she wants for the small cost of someones life.... without at least spending an in game hour or two rp'ing to find out who is doing the asking.[/quote']

Uh... "An Immortal" is what the game would tell her is talking to her. And since she believes in The One God, an unnamed god, "An Immortal" is the most likely of all possible senders to be it. And... hello? Faith would be obeying a divine command.

[Malicious]

"Crusaders are warriors who have chosen to use Faith as the focus for their

skills, at times honing them to such degree that their feats all but

surpass the mortal realm. ... The Crusader's focus upon the matters of faith and their virtues of Modesty,Compassion and Valour not only requires them to forsake personal goals when asked for help by those in need, but the Order of Crusades forbids them to bask in large number of rare or unique adornments upon their armor."

That being read, I can understand her motive for RP.

However:

"Trained by the Order of Crusades these mighty men and women of the

One God, travel through Aabahran helping those in need, avenging

wrongs done, and Crusading against those whom would seek to harm the less fortunate. ... they relay(that's a typo in the help file, btw) upon brutal combination of skill and strength combined with legendary arts of weaponcraft and armorcraft which allows them to excel in combat against single or multiple opponents"

I would have to say that I agree with the Imms on this one (for the most part). To think that she assumed she would receive qclass approval for just sticking to her RP is a little one-sided, in my opinion. As players, we have to see the broad picture. I view Caballed players as experienced (in RP as well as PK). Regardless of being somewhat new to FL, if I saw a Caballed player lacking in either of these two areas, my respect for that player, and the Imms would fall a bit. Not OOC respect, necessarily, but IC respect. How many more expectations I have for a qclass/qrace combination. And if I, as a player, have these expectations, then logically the Imms would have higher.

That doesn't mean there isn't a learning curve. I applied for Avatar with a previous character of mine and got NO response. It was my first application to anything. I just assumed that they'd snoop me, watch my dedication, and I'd eventually hear back. If I didn't hear back, I assumed it just meant that I wasn't good enough, and that I needed to learn more. With any reward, you cannot assume to readjust the requirements to fit that player. I just don't agree with that.

Also, refusing ANY Imm "task" (especially for a Qrace/class so closely tied with Honor/Light/Obedience) is pretty much sealing rejection on your own head. If you're loyal to a God, then disobey, how you could expect to still be rewarded?

That being said, it does seem like the Imms could have been a bit more forthcoming with an answer so she could see where she stood. Even a simple "Yes, No, You're not ready" would have sufficed in my book.

I loved Laeclatheryn, I had some interaction with her, and thought her RP HIGH above the average of FL. Patience is, however, a requirement for this mud. I've been playing for 6 months or so, and have only had 1 Pinn not even Cabaled.