KRins Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Why aren't shelved Qclass/Qraces denied. There are just some Qstuff slots that are locked because such and such does not log in anymore and quite frankly it is annoying, irritating, and detrimental to the game in the long run. Hey, lets spend 20-25 hours doing that whole lvl 30 thing, write up an app, only to hear that the spot you wanted to try for is locked up by someone who hasn't been around in...at least a month if not a whole heck of a lot longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0xx Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Here I have to agree. If you are going to take a slot for a quest class/race, either play actively or delete. There should be an activity requirement for such things. And it should be somewhere ATLEAST 15 hours a month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRins Posted April 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 At least enough to not qualify for a rare purge. I mean...what is more rare than a qsomething spot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mali Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Purge everyone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 spend 20-25 hours doing that whole lvl 30 thing' date=' write up an app, only to hear that the spot you wanted to try for is locked up[/quote'] So you dedicated 20-25 hours to a character, sent a APP, got an immediate response that the place is taken. And you complain ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English lad Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 I'm more frustrated when people 'retire' quest class/races, and then bring them back later. They're limited for a reason. I remember a time when we had 4 vamps running around because two people got vamp, and then 2 came out of retirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-guitarist Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 So you dedicated 20-25 hours to a character' date=' sent a APP, got an [b']immediate response that the place is taken. And you complain ? Yes... he is. Because he has a reason to in this situation. He isn't complaining about the quick response, he's complaining he was denied because other people aren't using what is limited, instead they're sitting on it for some sort of status symbol (only reason I can think of holding on to a character and not playing them in this situation.) Sometimes I wonder if you even read the whole post or just try and get the gist of it... Sure, you may really like your Undead Avatar Crusader, but man... someone else who would better t he game by playing one and rping like fiend, while showing others what to strive to be, and surpass, might like to do just that. Standing on a limited slot item is rude. But, I'm one to accuse someone of being rude... a-g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-guitarist Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Actually, maybe a running list somewhere (on the website maybe?) that says, "We have four vamps slots, three of which are taken." At first this idea I dismissed as stupid... but think of it. If everyone complains about people rank sitting at 30- not telling them their slot is taken while they train up is going to perpetuate this. If someone sees, "Man, all demon slots are taken..." they might think, "Maybe I'll make an avatar to cull the pack..." and then the diversity of alignment get's a little broader. But, 20-25 hours is a LOT of time to invest into a character. How long does the average player (not crazy dedicated person) put in a day? 3? 4 hours max? that's a week or more of playing only to find out that you're wasting time. "It's only wasted time if you give up." Yeah. And if I RP a guy that wants to become undead for a dedicated cause, such as he has to prove his understanding to the Nameless about how the curve of life and unlife are a natural cycle, and thus is actually a belief in nature and not death... then when he get's told, "Sorry, we really like you, but we're currently flirting with all the current undeads." he's going to not like that... and off himself. Or maybe he'll do somethign else. Yes, everyone says you should let RP be dynamic... and I agree, it should change with a lot of influences in the game. But some people don't want to start 20 hours into a character, building a history and style and whatnot only to get "Man, I guess I gotta go do ". Is it wasted time? To some it is. This is a "game" (not quite, it's a community, it's an experience, but still a game) and I don't want to put 20 hours into a game only to find out I gotta start over again. If you rolled a guy in DnD, played for four sessions and then the DM said, "Okay, Bob-o, you are a paladin, you wanted to be one... but... I think you should be an evil guy who molests children." ... I don't care who the DM is or how good of a friend they are... I'm not a fan of child molestation. KRins may not be a fan of being alive? Maybe he's not a fan of letting people live? So if his app was acceptable, and there are people who have the undeads and aren't using them... why should he have to wait for the purge or the character to log in and delete/condie? He earned it unless his app was denied for being crap and they caught him multing a buncha gear around... then he should not get it. a-g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 "he's complaining he was denied because other people aren't using what is limited" How do you know this ? Are you a imm with access to his Play times ? Or you are 24/24 hours logged ? Or perhaps you play the said character ? If IMM's say the slot is occupied, it's because they do not see motive to deny the character, especially for a 25 hours applicant. If Imms considered your character exceptionally worthy they would open an exception for it, even with "full slots". PS: By the way what alleged shelved Qrace PC are we talking about ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRins Posted April 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 So you dedicated 20-25 hours to a character' date=' sent a APP, got an [b']immediate response that the place is taken. And you complain ? 1. I don't appreciate your tone. 2. No I didn't get an immediate response. My first app was somehow lost in the shuffle so I spent 2 weeks doing nothing for nothing. My second app still took roughly 3 days to be answered. 3. Who cares how long it took, fact of the matter is you get rare item purged...why aren't you rare character purged? The character who is in the spot I was hoping for was not told to me when I asked on the prayer forum, so I couldn't tell you the character's name...but considering I put in at least a couple hours a day for a solid month and I had numerous characters tell me in game that the spot I was hoping for was held by a character that hadn't been seen in "ages", it leads me to believe that the character is in the deep freeze. And Mya...just because you send in your app at 20-25 hours doesn't in an way comment on the quality of those hours spent nor does it mention how many hours I played while waiting for a response...chill out or politely do not comment on a thread I started because it is a legitimate issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 legitimate issue. This is where i disagree. You are trying to get a other persons character denied because you wish his spot. Based on allegations from other players about his inactivity. If the imms says the (common) spot is take, it is taken. They have all the info, not us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRins Posted April 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Alright then...has anyone seen a demon bmg in the past...god knows how long? I know I haven't. I'm fairly certain we've had 2 or 3 demon warriors come and go since the last demon bmg I've seen around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPapa Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Ill agree with Krins and A-G on this topic. Qrace = Play actively, or get deleted like a rare purge, or like a cabaled character. Minimum number of hours needed per month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-guitarist Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 How do you know this ? Are you a imm with access to his Play times ? Or you are 24/24 hours logged ? Or perhaps you play the said character ? No. No. Nope. oh, and you're an idiot. I took the basic info supplied by KRins. I then thought back, "hrm, In my times connected I have never seen that many people with qraces, and if he was told the slots were full... that would lead to them not being on." Now, did I make some assumptions? Yes. Now, I don't have a "typical" log in time. I connect all over the damn place, sometimes 3am, sometimes it's 10pm, other times 11am. I don't have a typical schedule, so I think it's fair to say I see a lot of the playerbase.... but, No, I have no intimate knowledge past the few times I log in. But, you, in your infinite and enlightened western European wisdom know the KRins character is awful enough to not warrant the qrace, and that the person taking the slot is active... so I humbly retract all previous comments. On top of that, you also suggested ideas for him to improve his standing. While no one else suggested any input into how to remedy this perceived problem. No one, at all. In this whole thread. Except you. You, Mya. Not F0xx, not Krins, not a-g (that's me), we did absolutely NOTHING constructive to help... but only Mya (that's you) did. a-g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 legitimate issue. This is where i disagree. Perhaps i did not make myself clear. I do not see any problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implementor Anume Posted April 26, 2009 Implementor Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 We will discuss if we shorten the period until a qrace/class file is purged for inactivity or not amongst the staff. It would have been more helpful if this suggestion would have been made clearly. I'll end this thread here before it escalates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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