Finished for a long while

[Serinkane]

Yep Im done with forskenlands for a long while again. Im tired of getting ganged by people and then when I attack someone an immortal tells me Im in trouble for ganging them? WTF. Guess its cools for homeboys to gang though. Lata all

[f0xx]

And I am tired of people who think that they are ALWAYS right.

Sorry mate. There are always 2 sides of the coin. I dunno your case, but if the immortals are telling you something, perhaps you should consider it. Tonight I saw a lot of ganging, especially coming from the Tribunals, and it's not the first time I see it.

[Twinblades713]

I know how you feel man. I'm slowing down too.

[tassinvegeta]

Tribs at it again?

[Reccum]

I think I know who you play and what you are talking about Serinkane.

I think the distinction you have to make is that in one case:

a) Two people of the same cabal coordinate to kill their target.

and

Two people who aren't working together who have the same target in mind, have an overlap in their attacks.

While case b sucks, it is not a gang.

If you are a tribunal for instance and the outlaws outnumber you, there will be many people coming for you from all kinds of factions. If they coordinate to kill you or even both attack you at the same time unplanned, then yes that is a gang. But if you fight one for a bit, and disengage, and another enemy sees you alone in a room, they are gonna attack before asking questions like "Were you just fighting? Do you need a few ticks to recover" etc...

Same applies for an outlawed undead for instance, they may have a tribunal and a watcher after them, and even if they just fought one and the other finds them alone, it is not really ganging, just happenstance.

[Ali_gmud]

Tribunals should be allowed gang up on wanted players/outlaws.

That's always the way it's been, since Justice.

[Aulian]

To be honest, for an immortal to take you aside and tell you you were ganging in a cabal war must be pretty damn obvious. Plus ganging isnt even illegal, its just bad taste sometimes so what you must of done was outside of those parameters.

RE ALI: I'd say wanteds, not outlaws,

being wanted for not sheathing then having a bajillion tribunals trying to gang you would be a bit rough...

Plus a word of warning, remember what happened to the cabal when someone decided to outlaw a LOT of people including all the watchers? Tribunal basically got its *** handed to it because it over loaded itself against characters it had trouble with already, then giving them a united front against them.

This game is as much strategy and manipulation as it is all out pk powress.

[sarcon]

Honestly... It will always happens. I deleted Waraz because of how bad it really got.. Once I start picking up "bird seed" when I was fighting around 4 people already.. that was it for me..

Hope to see you come back.

[Guest emp_newb]

I feel your pain. I keep copping full loots from people I have never met before the last few days. It does get old I agree. I just had a full loot and sac of mithril gear on a char that has had no interaction with me short of voodooing me while i fought Inzlez, and aggressively seeking me, and alot of other players out.

[jibber]

It all comes and goes. The best you can do is take one of those 61 lives and kiss it goodbye and tell yourself the next time you get equipped, it won't happen again. I believe everyone here has been involved in a full loot the last week.. so we're not alone.

I just wish people would think twice before throwing their head into a cloud of crispy flies of full looting because they're afraid they might die later to the same person, and lose one or two things.

Full looting is part of the Forsaken Lands. Time to get used to it. That is, until perhaps the new code is introduced to keep it to a minimum. It really is getting out of hand in my humble opinion..

[Reccum]

With the new change it is actually very hard to full someone, even as a ranger.

Also, if you are an outlaw and you lose, you are fulled NO MATER WHAT. So why would you show any mercy to a tribunal in that case?

[a-guitarist]

Full looting is part of the Forsaken Lands. Time to get used to it. That is' date=' until perhaps the new code is introduced to keep it to a minimum. It really is getting out of hand in my humble opinion..[/quote']

Dying of polio is part of the American way, so we better get used to that here in the states.

If the game fails to evolve to meet current demands, then people leave to a game that has. However, as far as that goes, why does it matter if someone full looted you? Odds are you did it too, as I've NEVER been not full looted by someone after the level of 35 or before 30. Oddly enough, I may be relentless assaulted for no reason at 30-35, but more often then not those people leave crap when I did die.

My problems with the current, "I got ganged/full looted. I'm upset, I understand it's cool, but I'm taking time off because I just don't like it." thing is EVERYONE seems to hate the idea, yet everyone is "okay" with it, but they really aren't and leave for awhile when it happens a lot....

So if every cabal imm says, "it's bad form." and "we don't look highly on it." about ganging then make it against the rules to stop people from leaving?

If everyone wants to say, "it's up for the players to be the bigger man..." then take your own advice. Obviously everyone that is in the game isn't on the forums... but everyone on the forums ARE in the game, and I know 90% of the people on the fourms are the people I see at 50 and are wrecking the crap out of stuff. All these people agree it's up to the players to stop being douches to one another... but none do a damn thing to stop it, apperantly.

I know I'll get a flood of responses and PMs sayin, "hey, jack, back off. I don't full loot." Great. All of the ones I get saying that aren't lying don't do it... but, what about that ONE time you did it just ONCE because that person did it to you... or one of his cabal mates or someone of his religion etc. Well, how about that everyone sees, and viral allegations spread about cabal chats, then IMs and then spill into the forums.

H*ll, you don't know the perosn is even coming back after their dead, you shouldn't be afraid they're gonna get their gear and off you agian. And I don't care how anyone tries to rationalize "but you have to bend certain things for playability." it's is, has been, and will always be complete horse**** of playing to figure the person will kill you back after you've killd them. THEY'RE DEAD. If you don't need the crap, leave it. Let someone else get it, hell, get it all and drop the crap you don't need right on the corpse for anyone to get. try and spin it, if you do, you're the problem.

But if anyone argues, "I do it because I need ot know to be safe." you'll be the safest person around when you're the ONLY person on. And to be sure you can sit in the middle of the Emerald forest, camoed and invis just so you can see when someone tries to find you.... so you can stay quite, kill them, loot them, and wait for the next person to log on in 3 weeks time.

a-g

[-Totenkopf-]

IMHO, this is a whole load of hogwash. Sure, if they are literally grouping up and attacking together, that is an issue (although I've had some great group fights before, I've killed 2+ people at a time on Alesus, Neraldis, Loucheran, Sslandith, Azaghtoth).

I don't know what went down here, but I think coordinating to capture an outlaw (if you are a Trib), shouldn't be an illegal activity. Bob, sit at EvilGuys hometown, if he returns there, capture him and send him for execution. Or Jim, Evil Guy keeps fleeing to the east, I have not the speed to catch him. Cut him off if he runs that way.

Sure two tribs, with their guards, at once, is rediculous, I'd be pissed off too, however, coordinated tag teaming? I dunno, seems like everyones gone mushy Most players should be more then capable of escaping. From two players surely? Its not like they are summoning and bashing... right?

[-Totenkopf-]

Oh, and I still hold to that a full loot should be a given. Everyone should be bloody happy. I never once saw Scorvale full loot anyone, or alot of other players. When I played, it was a given, I carried a word of command just for the instance. Well, now that doesn't work. I dunno why this was changed. All I am going to do is get what I want from the corpse, then get 1. cor, drop 1., sac 1., spammed.

If I have reason to KILL a person, I have reason to leave their arse naked, IMHO. Provided they aren't in absolute rags. The thing I dont like about the change is if I am Joe Bob running around in mithril, kill someone with full Adeptus, well, he'll certainly be back before I get the fruits of my labour. Better off to run a few rooms away, rem all, drop all, go back full loot and wear all his gear, hahaha, then pick through the gear you had and wanted to keep then.

[Jedi_Donkey]

The big problem with the full looting is when you have people decked to the teeth that full loot, then the person they full looted quits...because who wants to be attacked and killed by the same person over and over while you're naked. Then those people either:

A) run their mouth about the person being a coward.

or

Complain that there is no one to PK anymore.

Well someone who is naked and doesn't wanna lose their character due to deaths, especially naked deaths to someone you already died to while geared, so they aren't cowards for quitting after being stripped.

Having no one to pk...Well if you beat someone down, strip them, and then see there goes the pker...maybe you should learn something from full looting???

Now on my part, I hardly ever full loot and yet I still get stripped everytime I die. I am not complaining at all, it's the name of the game. But if you guys are complaining about having no one to kill, maybe just maybe you should leave your "prey" geared unless you need the specific item. Then they might stick around to try a round 2 or 3 or 20. I know I would.

[Malicious]

To PKers: Pwn face but stay classy.

To PK-ees: Just expect to be full looted always. If it doesn't happen, then you'll be pleasantly surprised.

[Twinblades713]

Oh, and I still hold to that a full loot should be a given. Everyone should be bloody happy. I never once saw Scorvale full loot anyone, or alot of other players. When I played, it was a given, I carried a word of command just for the instance. Well, now that doesn't work. I dunno why this was changed. All I am going to do is get what I want from the corpse, then get 1. cor, drop 1., sac 1., spammed.

If I have reason to KILL a person, I have reason to leave their arse naked, IMHO. Provided they aren't in absolute rags.

You haven't given a reason for this. You keep stating, 'yar! Everyone should full loot because well, everyone did it, and it's what should happen.' I don't full loot because it's retarded and makes the game less fun. Hmm, I kill a guy, full loot him, find him as he tries to get a titanium bracer, kill him again, sac it, he logs off. Or, I kill him, let him keep all of his steel gear like banner, crown, and whatnot, he's ready to come bullrushing me again, but it's fun and we have 2-3 more pks before he decides to bow out, and neither of us feel like crap cause he was just running at me flailing his fists cause he didn't have time to pick up a ****ing weapon.

I've had many kills in the past little while, and of all my deaths, I've always been full looted. That's fine, it's how other people enjoy the game. But I'm not gonna lie, I like to log off when I'm full looted and naked with a decked fool bumrushing me. But when I kill people they get the rp fear (You're a monster, great job) But not the OOC fear of knowing they'll just have to spend the rest of their natural life equipping and instead refer to 'delete;delete'.

I think it's the opposite way around. I don't think people who don't full loot should harden up. I think you people who think looting is your way to stay on top should pull the sticks out of your asses and get over it. I'm not saying sprinkle everyone with baby powder after you toast them and say 'jolly good chap, keep the adeptus, I think I got lucky at the end' but there's definitely a nasty vibe I'm getting from you, Tot, and while you've been here way longer than I have, and probably know alot more, this is something I'm not gonna learn from you.

[Guest emp_newb]

Well my frustration comes from playing a warmaster Inductee (yea one of the 40). Having no access to det invis etc is absolutely crippling. Couple that with the fact I AM in utter rags ( I had one item worth keeping, one) the rest was level 30 re equip gear. I was getting voodoo plagued WHILE fighting a savant invoker, mean enough by themself, and getting hit up back and forth. I realize looting is a part of the game, but full saccing a mithril suit? Really?

I myself never full loot anymore. The pbase is not so large as it was before where you could get a decent suit, pk a few people tp piece the rest together, then go back to your nemesis. Now it is consistantly the same few chars fighting over, and over. So if char A kills and full loots my crap suit. Then 10 min later while I am re equipping kills and loots me again, how fun is that? I realize character choices go a LONG way, but on the same note noone is gonna play a game that they can do NOTHING in. That is roughly how it is right now. A few mean *** people sitting pretty at pinn, and anyone else who tries to squeeze in gets smashed.

[Reccum]

I also think getting full looted sucks, but I think it is more the prospect of being naked than losing the uber eq that is so bad.

This is why I really think there needs to be a way for pinns, at least caballed ones if not all lvl 50s, to get a full set purchased.

Make it a crappy set, make it equivalent to a lvl 30 decked in NON rares.

Make it cost 75k gold, or 200 CP's.

Noone is gonna steamroll anyone in this gear, but at least when they get full looted they wont sit there staring at an empty corpse, an empty inventory, and get all disheartened when they feel re-equipping is impossible cuz of the 4 enemies that are still around prveenting them from re-equipping.

Having access to a crappy suit will go a long way because at least you willhave a few saves, an ac that is not +65, and something with which to build on.

A lot of people say "Just use lockers dumbass" but unfortunately those can get expensive themselves, and for those poor poor outlaws, a locker wont help for squat.

I know if I got killed and fulled I'd be 99% more likely to stick around if I knew I could buy myself back into the game right away. And by the wave of eq related posts I have been reading lately I think I am not the only one.

edit: IMO this will also cut down a lot of OOC eqing groups, and people only logging on when they see allies for fear of trying to re-equip with a bunch of enemies on. Let's face it, with the smaller pbase these days it IS harder to re-equip in a pinch and not everyone can wait till 4am to request or to solo through winter.

[Guest emp_newb]

I solo winter at 4 am WHILE requesting.

Im a monk named Chuck.

[Sirax]

A full loot is bad enough to take but when you cannot obtain certain items that you need because they are not there is when things get very frustrating. Just the other day I did a locate object on boots of protection and discovered only two in the lands, has something changed cause I was sure they were as common as muck.

I certainly think in cabals especially there should be a suit set you can purchase, that at least offers something in the form of protection.

[Guest emp_newb]

the rare system is constantly changing around. Sometimes I see 8 moonstone pendants, then I do not see any for weeks. Same with vorpal sword, not long ago I saw 3 of them all together. Now I do not evne know where one is.

[Sirax]

Yeah it can get very frustrating, there was loads of globes floating about a couple of weeks ago now squat.

[songofsixpence]

My stance with the whole full-looting thing is this:

If you attack me, and I win, expect a full-loot (unless it was a total beatdown and I scratch my head wondering why you attacked me). I will not hunt you down afterwards for quite some time (at least until the next RL day) so that you can have time to do what you need to.

If I attack you and I win, I will take a few choice pieces to cripple you, but I won't leave you helpless and naked.

I know that the small pbase coupled with multiple high level characters is really stretching the equip setup right now...but looting is a part of the game. There are times that it makes it less fun, especially when you get hounded by the same person that killed you multiple times. But if you take a loot and get chased afterwards, just log it...come back in a few hours, or if you can't do that, the next day. Try playing at a time different than your usual time (if possible). It's frustrating to get back on your feet, but all of us who have been here for awhile know that it is entirely possible.

What I think we are seeing in game is forumites being either hypocritical of what they say ("I don't full loot" on the forums but I'll chase you down in game and multi-kil you) or we are getting the people that still play, but don't voice themselves on the forum (and I know there are a few of those). If you are getting so invested in the game that you cry after you lose a full suit, or it puts you in depression...just step back and remember that it IS a GAME. You can always come back later, and we all know that no matter how much you bitch and moan here, you will come back, you will roll again, you will train again...and you'll bitch some more when your next gets taken down.

[Guest emp_newb]

Well right now I am playing 2 cabaled characters. One has full looted one person ever, and that was a 30 monk who was hounding my ranking group, so he died, then he died again and I looted, I even gave him back the rarest piece he had, a samite gown at level 30. If someone is giving me hell, I will sac a portion of the gear, but I never full loot. The other char has never killed ANYONE. Period. I understand wanting to pk. There is no excuse ever for full loot/sacs with not a drop of RP. I do not like that our current system is promoting more on pk, than on rp as well. I see T cabalers all the time who have little, to no rp. I am not saying everyone is this way. But I have seen alot of chars who just come to pinn, and start pking without anyone ever hearing anything about them.