Finished for a long while

[Twinblades713]

Agreed and it's sad.

[Anume]

Ganging in general is not illegal.

HOWEVER. If an Imm allows people in his cabal to gang or not is up to them. As a rule of thumb habitual gangers will rarely go past rank V in any cabal.

In my cabals I've always applied, fight in numbers only at any altar. I don't care if it is 5 - 1 when they are trying to retrieve, that's what being caballed is all about, sometimes having to fight against odds. (NOTE: Qraces/classes may not gang anywhere.) Anywhere else keep it on one one, you have cabal chat to coordinate. If you have superior numbers, go get their standard in force, send one after the enemy.

Of course there are exceptions to this rule, if there is a bada$$ char about who dies perhaps once every 30 kills (e.g. Triathix, Martineus, etc.) I would not punish anyone if they went after those "monsters" together. To gang a naked enemy or someone they have good chances defeating alone, just makes things boring for everyone.

If getting full-looted bothers you, standard chars will take care of that issue.

Other cabals do not allow ganging at all (Knight has often done so in the past, sometimes WM as well), then some Imms do not mind it as long as it does not totally get out of hand.

If getting full-looted bothers you, roll a standard char when they get introduced. Problem solved.

[Jacobis]

As it sits right now, my Knights are expected to follow these guidelines:

1. Defend the altar at all costs. Anything goes there.

2. Away from the altar, one on one unless I state otherwise. Anyone caught breaking this one, will feel my wrath.

[Guest emp_newb]

Edited. Bring this on the Prayer Forum.

Anume.

[Twinblades713]

It reminds me of a couple of martial arts clubs I was/am in. It's the attitude that is crappy, not the mechanics in place. If you fight a guy and he continues to rip on your arm after you tap out, guess what happens, I don't spar with him anymore. If he punches me in the face three times after the bell rings, I don't fight him anymore. It's not about pansy happy goody land without full looting and what dreams are made of. You can rp a pompous prick and still manage a good rp, and produce a decent experience. Ganging is just like doing an eyegouge. It's cheap, retarded **** that's NEVER necessary to win. Ganging is legal, and should be for very rare situations, that I can't even name right now because I don't see where it could be tolerable. I know that there are communities who can and do choose not to be stupid, and they retain content playerbases.

Now just a little while ago, I was ganged very much so. It bothered me and I logged off. Then, I was killed by a singular opponent (It could be done!) and I got a full loot. That didn't bother me as much as the previous day that I was cheaped to logging off because people are dumb. I don't even care about the loot as I had some very nice eq, and it would do him good to knock me down a little bit. Had I been in mithril I might have been more annoyed. But nah, I probably deserved it. It's not the mechanic that needs changing, it's the attitude.

[Malicious]

What exactly is a "standard character" and when will they be introduced?

[Raargant]

Please see this thread:

http://forum.theforsakenlands.org/showthread.php?t=13889

[Mali]

A standard character is for someone who sucks at the game to be protected by a new code.

[Raargant]

A standard character is for someone who sucks at the game to be protected by a new code.

For those people who think the game is primarily about PK, I can see why they might hold that viewpoint. Fortunately, those people are in the distinct minority.

[a-guitarist]

Does that mean they're going to run the game for the next four years, now?

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[MeleeCrazy]

A standard character is for someone who sucks at the game to be protected by a new code.

If a person doesn't have the experience, prowess, or just blind luck to be able to compete with some of us vets, then why not let them have there own experience away from the action you love. It only means that instead of having plenty of pk fodder out there, we might actually have to fight someone with true skill that could beat us. I don't see why this would warrant such disdain.

Oh and ganging/full loots happen. But this is a vicious circle, one person gets got, gets mad, gets even one way or another. This process is then paased down to the next person until someone gets mad and leaves, while those who remain just repeat the past. in the end noone profits from it, not the playerbase, certainly not the imms, and most importantly not the game.

[-Totenkopf-]

You haven't given a reason for this. You keep stating, 'yar! Everyone should full loot because well, everyone did it, and it's what should happen.' I don't full loot because it's retarded and makes the game less fun. Hmm, I kill a guy, full loot him, find him as he tries to get a titanium bracer, kill him again, sac it, he logs off. Or, I kill him, let him keep all of his steel gear like banner, crown, and whatnot, he's ready to come bullrushing me again, but it's fun and we have 2-3 more pks before he decides to bow out, and neither of us feel like crap cause he was just running at me flailing his fists cause he didn't have time to pick up a ****ing weapon.

I've had many kills in the past little while, and of all my deaths, I've always been full looted. That's fine, it's how other people enjoy the game. But I'm not gonna lie, I like to log off when I'm full looted and naked with a decked fool bumrushing me. But when I kill people they get the rp fear (You're a monster, great job) But not the OOC fear of knowing they'll just have to spend the rest of their natural life equipping and instead refer to 'delete;delete'.

I think it's the opposite way around. I don't think people who don't full loot should harden up. I think you people who think looting is your way to stay on top should pull the sticks out of your asses and get over it. I'm not saying sprinkle everyone with baby powder after you toast them and say 'jolly good chap, keep the adeptus, I think I got lucky at the end' but there's definitely a nasty vibe I'm getting from you, Tot, and while you've been here way longer than I have, and probably know alot more, this is something I'm not gonna learn from you.

Well, if I kill and full loot someone, I don't just go chasing their arse around for the hell of it. They get time to reequip. I'll give them at least a day or two (IRL) before I go near them today. If they attack me, I'll full loot them again. The reason I full loot, is because people aren't afraid to die. They are afraid to use all their shinies. There needs to be something to make people afraid of dying. I've already said I don't go around full looting people and their mithril arses. However, if they are decked, and even if I am decked and don't need their stuff. I will full loot (unless I completely walk the character, but its not usually likely that happens). Kurvikhel has killed one of my characters (as soon as I came into his PK range, whoot) and I copped a full loot. My gear was relatively ****house and I was pre-50. It doesn't bother me. It doesn't take as long as you say it takes to get a basic suite and be on your way. It used to take me about an hour or so to gather a relatively decent suite, titanium full plate, moonstone pendants, light spiked gauntlets, etc etc. And be more then capable of handing out some hurt.

My issue nowadays is I don't have THAT many playing hours, well, probably 2-3 a day) but those hours at during the Australian night time. So I never see anyone on. Often I log on, then log straight off. If there is someone on its usually someone I consider an ally. As much as it'd be nice to just go around and kill every bastard, there are things you sometimes need help with in game. When you end up with a limited selection of players to begin with due to your play time, its best you not just go and make enemies with everyone. Anyway, thats starting to grow quite boring quick, so I don't know how long I'll be sticking around.

[MeleeCrazy]

Oh and Just to clarify, fulllooting isn't the problem, there is more than enough basic eq to reequip yerself. One thing you most certainly learn to do in a cabal is reequip. The problem is what comes after. The players not the "characters" reaction is where the problem begins. Took me a long time to realize this

oh BTW I HATE dying way more than loosing my shinies, the shame of knowing you did yer best and failed eq are just objects to be reobtained

[Mali]

I feel like the folks who complain about being looted are those that are too focused on equipment. If you are playing the game for RP purposes, then why should your equipment matter to you?

However, I understand that you all need code based protection from me. It is ok to know your place, folks. Embrace the new system and i'll be waiting for you on the otherside.

[Serinkane]

Full loot is not what im complaining about. Regearing takes time and it is annoying as hell but can be redone. What I have a problem with is the rules of engagement and how they are fuzy.

For instance:

A pursues B. While A is pursueing B, B decides to attack C. C now chases B while A is still purueing. Imms start yanking you to the heavens saying your ganking. IMO: thats bs because B already had a pursuer, and knew that, but engaged C. Is C expected to just run around like a little girl?

A is attacking B. C attacks A while he is about to rest from B's assault. A is already down on hp/mp/spells. Now if and when A gets away from C, here comes B again.

I understand accidents happen and sometimes you cant tell if someone is engaged. Now what I call BS on is, when you attack someone and he is already at Big nasty and you continue to beat the hell out of him knowing their are no loot mobs he could possibly be fighting. Come on, how many of you actually run around half life when your pinn? No one.

Overall, I believe that the "class" of players has started to go on a downslope and people should reevaluate their playstyles. If you want to be a jerk, roleplay it in your character. Dont just run around being a rude ****stick, use roleplay. Pk is not everything in this game, and just killing someone isnt "end game".

End of rant

[tassinvegeta]

Ganging is just like doing an eyegouge. It's cheap' date=' retarded **** that's NEVER necessary to win. Ganging is legal, and should be for very rare situations, that I can't even name right now because I don't see where it could be tolerable.[/quote']

I can think of a few situations. When a dk fireballs 3 people fighting each other or in the same group. Or if a char is feeling froggy enough to constantly attack chars in rapid succession.

[Ali_gmud]

My elf ranger 2-3 years ago, vs a demon dark knight level 30.

I had about 350-400 hp, one fireball, "Unspeakable Damage" You have been killed, true story, sure I had no saves, but jesus christ.

[Mali]

If I see someone I dislike at big awful wounds, I'm going to take the shot, end of story.

And I'm going to like it.

And I'm going to like how much you don't like it.

What does class matter if I'm having fun? You have 60 lives for a reason. I like the idea of making enemies, and I like it when they take me out in the same way. When people delete and bitch on the forums, well, I like that too. But I'd prefer they stick it out and become a real enemy.

[Twinblades713]

I can think of a few situations. When a dk fireballs 3 people fighting each other or in the same group. Or if a char is feeling froggy enough to constantly attack chars in rapid succession.

I suppose that's technically ganging, but I didn't think any of the events in question involved the victim asking for it, or spearheading it on purpose.

[Aulian]

As it sits right now, my Knights are expected to follow these guidelines:

1. Defend the altar at all costs. Anything goes there.

2. Away from the altar, one on one unless I state otherwise. Anyone caught breaking this one, will feel my wrath.

I thought the divine mandates stated that Ganging was ok?

[a-guitarist]

I feel like the folks who complain about being looted are those that are too focused on equipment. If you are playing the game for RP purposes, then why should your equipment matter to you?

However, I understand that you all need code based protection from me. It is ok to know your place, folks. Embrace the new system and i'll be waiting for you on the otherside.

If your RP is being skewered by many enimies, then you're right. But RP takes a second seat to PK, and will always, in PK MUDs that do not have hard coded restrictions. I'm not knocking FL... but when the game stresses Balance of PK, that is where all the concern went when making it.

I play to RP, so I don't care about gear... but I do care about being viciously assault and raped when I just walk to the other town over to talk to someone in person... by someone who had nothing to do with me before that instant. IF they do kill me and take some stuff... it serves no point. Even more so if I have nothing worth taking on me. "But, maybe killing you saved him the time of having to run around the realms and get it himself." That is an ooc reason unless he is a senseless murder, and he is a bad role player.

But I am fine with that... because it is how this game is. Loop holes are everywhere. Basically, while it's not imperative to my play, it's an insult... and a status symbol. If you're walking aroudn buckassnaked, no one talks to you, usually, or comments on how you're "naked"... did they not read my desc and realize I'm wearing a full suit of tainted red battle armour? (I am, afterall the Gyno of the Righteous Palm. Four husbands... four.)

In the end, Tribbies need to comminicate more. not because I think they're ganging, but because I think they're unintentionally doing it and it will piss off a HELL of a lot of people (like IUTBS said) and they'll be dealing with more than Watcher 24/7...

As for being protected from you, Mali... keep dreaming. When I see your name on the forums I immediately think of Joe Pesci in "With Honours." because of that guy that went to Bali and didn't come back, thus allowing Joe's homeless bum character, Simon Wilder, to live in the room. Then I think of you standing up, looking into the toilet and saying while you turn back around, "Nope, looks like the regular, garden variety to me." and laugh. Because the message of this whole thing is, you're going to die alone in a pile of leaves, biting the hands that want to take care of you... as you are a heathen. I also envision myself Brendan Fraser and that Moira Kelly as Emma Watson. Patrick Dempsey is rounded out by Deykari, while Josh Hamilton is Twinblades. And Chayesh, as the Fonz.

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[a-guitarist]

I thought the divine mandates stated that Ganging was ok?

It is, but his cabal rules dictate otherwise. He did say, "My Knights"

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[Reccum]

If I see someone I dislike at big awful wounds, I'm going to take the shot, end of story.

And I'm going to like it.

And I'm going to like how much you don't like it.

What does class matter if I'm having fun? You have 60 lives for a reason. I like the idea of making enemies, and I like it when they take me out in the same way. When people delete and bitch on the forums, well, I like that too. But I'd prefer they stick it out and become a real enemy.

I am starting to like you Mali. Can I gut you and feast on your entrails? It's a win win.

[Raargant]

I thought the divine mandates stated that Ganging was ok?

That refers to OOC game rules, not to specific cabal rules/standards/RP.

[Guest emp_newb]

What does class matter if I'm having fun?

Class matters because this is NOT final fantasy. This is NOT fable, this is NOT Fallout. This is an MMO. You being a dick to a computer is negligable, being a dick and ruining other players experiences is a completely different matter.