Cabal Wars: To Kill.. Or Not To Kill.. That is the Question..

[sarcon]

How do you all feel about when you have a Cabal War and someone else is trying to kill you that is not Cabaled?

Do you feel it is like... "Hey! There is a War going on here you can't touch me"

Or.. Do you feel "BRING IT ON!! i WILL KILL YOU ALL!"

Like I can understand if you are engaged with the other and perhaps trading standards the odd time, yes, perhaps that should be a moral flag to kinda back away from that.

But if you havn't even engaged? No standard attempts or anything? Should you get mad if you are killed by someone uncabaled?

Now.. do you get mad at the uncabaled Pker or the Cabal foe who never came or just came to late.. :confused:

[Dale]

I think I know who you are because of this.

I know how you feel, but there are alot of aspects to look at in cabal warfare.

[Twinblades713]

I think I know who you are because of this.

I know how you feel, but there are alot of aspects to look at in cabal warfare.

That's what tips his characters off?

But yeah, I saw it too. There are things to think about, and sometimes backing off is the best choice. It's certainly the safest one.

[WarriorCleric]

Now.. do you get mad at the uncabaled Pker or the Cabal foe who never came or just came to late.. :confused:

I don't know, I don't see how being in a cabal excuses someone from the rest of the PK range. I've always seen cabals as extra responsibilities with a reward for taking them, not an elevation to the majors where I don't have to play with the little leaguers anymore.

If an uncabaled attacks me while I trying on cabal warfare I get pissed, but not at the uncabaled, not at the enemy cabal, just the situation. I now have to do the extra work to pay for my new fancy spells, and I'm too lazy to be happy about that.

WC

[Nikodemus]

If an uncabaled attacks me while I trying on cabal warfare I get pissed, but not at the uncabaled, not at the enemy cabal, just the situation.

This.

I get a mildly annoyed by it, but nothing I can't roll with.

[Mali]

Personally, I enjoy killing someone that is weakened from a cabal battle.

Here you have the most powerful characters in the game, given a secret fortress and extra special super powerful abilities. These rewards come at a cost. The cost is that you will always be fighting a cabal battle.

The character who is not caballed has no such rewards and generally no extra special powers. Their reward is that they can capitalize on your war and do some damage when it is going to hurt.

I think its funny to see a very powerful character reduced to tears or deletion because they get bagged by a character who in ordinary circumstances would stand no chance against them.

Cabal powers are not all there is to the game, so if you can't handle it, AND YOU CAN'T TAKE THE HEAT THEN GET OUT OF THE RING, PUNK.

[Guest emp_newb]

See, I am ok with uncabaled fighting cabaled chars at pinn. I have no trouble with clannies helping out to EVEN the fight up. What I do not agree with is clannies taking it upon themselves to fight cabal wars. I was playing Pildo and reprimanded, almost yelled at, an hourglass clanny for this very thing. I think it is sub-par for most players to make it a 2 v 1 when it is not even their fight, even if they plan on being in the cabal, they are not yet. Do not take away from the players who have been put in a cabal, becuase that is their job, you may want to be in the cabal, but when it comes down to it, you made it a ver yunfair PK situation (without any reason to) and took away from 2 players fun because of it

[sarcon]

Cabal powers are not all there is to the game, so if you can't handle it, AND YOU CAN'T TAKE THE HEAT THEN GET OUT OF THE RING, PUNK.

I love it.. Just love it:D

[Nekky]

I agree with the people who have said that being in a cabal war does not mean that only your vendetta enemies should be able to have a crack at you. But at the same time I don't think a person being in a cabal war should be a decisive point when you decide whether or not you are going to attack them.

If you are in the same area as two cabal enemies, and you hear that they are fighting each other, I believe you should not interfere. Not because they are in a cabal war, but because tag-teaming or jumping in on fights is lame. I wouldn't jump in on two non-caballed people fighting any more than I would two cabal enemies going at it.

If you have a reason to kill a caballed person, and they have cabal enemies on, I say just apply your usual standards on tag-teaming, or fight jumping. Some people are fine with tag-teaming, others don't like it.

My personal opinion on the matter is this:

If you find a caballed person on their own, attack them if you like, whether or not they have a cabal enemy in the lands. If you find them and they are in the midst of battle, back off until they are done.

[Raargant]

Mali and I don't always agree.

I so agree with him here.

[Guest emp_newb]

I suppose my post was a bit vague, so I will now explain what I mean. If I am in a cabal, and I have a cabal enemy on, I expect the people in my clan to leave that person alone, unless my cabal enemy starts with them first. If it is a 1 v 1 cabal warfare battle, and I am prepping for it, my clanny should not be going out of his way to attack my target. I realize everyone wants a piece of the pie, but don't spit in the pie to make sure you get some for yourself.

[HouselessRogue]

I don't have a problem with it so long as it is within the rules of the game i.e. no ganging, tagging, etc. I enjoy a little underdog fighting once in a while.

[Chayesh]

Ganging and tag teaming is not against the rules of the game...just FYI

[Guest emp_newb]

Agains't the rules and classy somtimes differ. Just like when you keep telling me no Chayesh, I know what you really mean.

[Chayesh]

Agains't the rules and classy somtimes differ. Just like when you keep telling me no Chayesh' date=' I know what you really mean.[/quote']

I was referring to HouselessRogue's post seeming to indicate erroneously that those two things were against the rules. I wasn't making any statement regarding classiness.

Speaking of classiness, you really need to stop calling me. I already told you I don't have any pets for you to walk.

[Twinblades713]

Speaking of classiness' date=' you really need to stop calling me. I already told you I don't have any pets for you to walk.[/quote']

I'd imagine it's just as well. Apparently you look good on all fours.

[Guest emp_newb]

I'd imagine it's just as well. Apparently you look good on all fours.

I read this post, and physically grimaced while sharply inhaling.

[Chayesh]

1. I look good no matter what I do.

2. I was going to post a second comment, but they all seemed to end with "...your mom."

[MadCowDisease]

I suppose my post was a bit vague' date=' so I will now explain what I mean. If I am in a cabal, and I have a cabal enemy on, I expect the people in my clan to leave that person alone, unless my cabal enemy starts with them first. If it is a 1 v 1 cabal warfare battle, and I am prepping for it, my clanny should not be going out of his way to attack my target. I realize everyone wants a piece of the pie, but don't spit in the pie to make sure you get some for yourself.[/quote']

why? RP first, PK second. if it fits the clanny's RP, he should be EXPECTED to fight. nobody should be doing anything that conflicts with their character regardless of the thoughts of others.

I agree with the people who have said that being in a cabal war does not mean that only your vendetta enemies should be able to have a crack at you. But at the same time I don't think a person being in a cabal war should be a decisive point when you decide whether or not you are going to attack them.

If you are in the same area as two cabal enemies, and you hear that they are fighting each other, I believe you should not interfere. Not because they are in a cabal war, but because tag-teaming or jumping in on fights is lame. I wouldn't jump in on two non-caballed people fighting any more than I would two cabal enemies going at it.

If you have a reason to kill a caballed person, and they have cabal enemies on, I say just apply your usual standards on tag-teaming, or fight jumping. Some people are fine with tag-teaming, others don't like it.

My personal opinion on the matter is this:

If you find a caballed person on their own, attack them if you like, whether or not they have a cabal enemy in the lands. If you find them and they are in the midst of battle, back off until they are done.

NO. if i see somebody that you want to attack, and they are in a fight. attack them. you have your reasons to attack them right? to make sure they die. so why leave it to somebody else? it makes no sense. this idea of "its lame to attack people in midfight is stupid. not doing it because its lame is OOC. isnt this game supposed to enforce RP? the way i see it, if you ignore part of your RP for the sake of another player, you should be punished. no ifs ands or buts. period.

See' date=' I am ok with uncabaled fighting cabaled chars at pinn. I have no trouble with clannies helping out to EVEN the fight up. What I do not agree with is clannies taking it upon themselves to fight cabal wars. I was playing Pildo and reprimanded, almost yelled at, an hourglass clanny for this very thing. I think it is sub-par for most players to make it a 2 v 1 when it is not even their fight, even if they plan on being in the cabal, they are not yet. Do not take away from the players who have been put in a cabal, becuase that is their job, you may want to be in the cabal, but when it comes down to it, you made it a ver yunfair PK situation (without any reason to) and took away from 2 players fun because of it[/quote']

clans are a tool. use them. are you gonna set aside a hammer and bash in the nail with your fists? i can understand if your character is one that refuses help. thats fine. but otherwise, there should be nobody that looks down on anyone else (OOC) for using everything at their disposal. its called having a brain.

Personally, I enjoy killing someone that is weakened from a cabal battle.

Here you have the most powerful characters in the game, given a secret fortress and extra special super powerful abilities. These rewards come at a cost. The cost is that you will always be fighting a cabal battle.

The character who is not caballed has no such rewards and generally no extra special powers. Their reward is that they can capitalize on your war and do some damage when it is going to hurt.

I think its funny to see a very powerful character reduced to tears or deletion because they get bagged by a character who in ordinary circumstances would stand no chance against them.

Cabal powers are not all there is to the game, so if you can't handle it, AND YOU CAN'T TAKE THE HEAT THEN GET OUT OF THE RING, PUNK.

YESSSSSSSSSSSSS

I don't know, I don't see how being in a cabal excuses someone from the rest of the PK range. I've always seen cabals as extra responsibilities with a reward for taking them, not an elevation to the majors where I don't have to play with the little leaguers anymore.

If an uncabaled attacks me while I trying on cabal warfare I get pissed, but not at the uncabaled, not at the enemy cabal, just the situation. I now have to do the extra work to pay for my new fancy spells, and I'm too lazy to be happy about that.

WC

YESSSSSSSSSSS

[Dale]

Ganging and tag teaming is not against the rules of the game...just FYI

No but it's what makes people quit playing.

Now in this age where we are trying to get more newbies to play because we have exhausted our entire player base to a maximum of 25 at peak hours, why do we continue to gang?

[jibber]

Of course ganging is against the rules. For quest races, and quest classes, that is. Ganging them isn't, but them ganging you with anyone else is strictly against every rule in the game, and very strictly watched over by every immortal. I know if I have a qrace, I'll be watched 24/7 and know if I make one misstep and use someone else to gang another, I'll be slayed on the spot.

At least that's what impression I'm under.. and have been told.

[Ali_gmud]

I like to thinkt here are no restrictions on this game, so long as RP is there to back it up.

Eg. Say you entered a building in Val Miran, with the right RP preharps you could have burnt down, then write out a description of the room and send it to the immortals, and they might swap the room name and the room description around.

Ganging, I've never complained about, it certainly puts you at a disadvantage but there's something about being the underdog, which zones me completely into the game, makes me give it my all, to come out on top.

[Chayesh]

Yes, jibber, qraces and qclasses are the exception. They are forbidden from ganging or tag-teaming. Thank you for pointing that out.

To Dale: again, like I said to emp_newb, I'm not making a statement about whether it's "cool" "useful" or "classy" to gang. I'm simply stating the rules so that there is no confusion. Otherwise, we get flooded with prayers and tells saying "Soandsonormalpc is ganging me!" and they get pissed when we tell them it's not against the rules and their response is almost always "Soandsoforumdude told me it was!".

[Dale]

It's cool Chayesh I understood what you meant, I was just expressing my opinion.

On the subject however, I do believe it should be against the rules to gang someone when they are at war with another cabal, expecially if you are not caballed. Now most people may not agree, but this is how I feel. Yes there are somepeople who are ultra Chayesh like in pk who can take 5 people at once. But then again you got the guy like me who just came back to the mud and say hasn't had a pinned char in over 2 years. So I can't defend my standard against three nexus at once, while a syndicate is trying to get my bounty, and then the Savants are bored because Warmasters are never on so they want some of that one knight too. Then you have all the evils who want to be in syndicate/nexus/savant but they figure man, I can't take that demon dk or undead lich, hmmm, there are three nexus on, I bet that knight is running for his life, easy target, Oh yea!

Now, in certain circumstances, I do believe it should not only be frowned upon, but illegal to gang people.

[Chayesh]

Cabal IMMs determine their own rules as to whether they allow that behavior in their cabals. Most do not allow attacking in uneven numbers or tag teaming except at the altar, or within several rooms of it.

But again, let's not have any confusion. Ganging is the coordinated act of attacking in uneven numbers while grouped. Tag-teaming is the coordinated act of attacking in waves against the same person while not grouped. See...it's the coordinating part of this that makes it suck. In Dale's example, that random evil who assumes the knight might be having a big crap sandwich evening who doesn't speak or coordinate with any of those Nexus members or anyone else who finds said knight, and slays him, has no idea that he just finished getting the snot beat out of him defending his standard. That's not ganging, tag-teaming or low class, but it might be perceived as such by the knight since he's not a mind reader. But in fairness, neither is the random evil and he shouldn't have to be. Anyway, that's my take on it...

Sometimes crap luck is just that and nothing else.