Raargant Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 If you can't handle the enemies you have, sign some peace treaties, get some allies, or whatever. Can't handle Syndies hounding you while you're dealing with Nexus? Bribe them off. Too many uncaballed giving you trouble? Get some uncaballed of your own. And when all is lost and there are no options, just log off. Not every situation is supposed to be perfectly fair. If it's 5v1, life's gonna be a bitch. That's how it's supposed to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iusedtobesomebody Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 If you can't handle the enemies you have, sign some peace treaties, get some allies, or whatever. Can't handle Syndies hounding you while you're dealing with Nexus? Bribe them off. Too many uncaballed giving you trouble? Get some uncaballed of your own. And when all is lost and there are no options, just log off. Not every situation is supposed to be perfectly fair. If it's 5v1, life's gonna be a bitch. That's how it's supposed to be. Cabal IMMs determine their own rules as to whether they allow that behavior in their cabals. Most do not allow attacking in uneven numbers or tag teaming except at the altar, or within several rooms of it. But again, let's not have any confusion. Ganging is the coordinated act of attacking in uneven numbers while grouped. Tag-teaming is the coordinated act of attacking in waves against the same person while not grouped. See...it's the coordinating part of this that makes it suck. In Dale's example, that random evil who assumes the knight might be having a big crap sandwich evening who doesn't speak or coordinate with any of those Nexus members or anyone else who finds said knight, and slays him, has no idea that he just finished getting the snot beat out of him defending his standard. That's not ganging, tag-teaming or low class, but it might be perceived as such by the knight since he's not a mind reader. But in fairness, neither is the random evil and he shouldn't have to be. Anyway, that's my take on it... Sometimes crap luck is just that and nothing else. Word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mya Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 IYes there are somepeople who are ultra Chayesh like in pk who can take 5 people at once. But then again you got the guy like me who just came back to the mud and say hasn't had a pinned char in over 2 years. So I can't defend my standard against three nexus at once' date=' while a syndicate is trying to get my bounty, and then the Savants are bored because Warmasters are never on so they want some of that one knight too. [/quote'] You are never required to suicide on your standard vs 3 persons. If that situation comes up, just move around insulting them and yelling challenges about their mothers. One is bound to come out to smack you, that is when you kill him. I never had 3 cabaled characters come at me at the same time ... actualy scratch that. I have. You know what i did ? Recalled the moment it was obvious it would be a 3 vs 1 fight. Now 3 people come for your standard ? - Ignore the Standard, there is little you can do. Focus on the weakest opponent and maul him. Full loot if you feel like it. That will allow you a better chance at retrieving your Standard back. For retrieving, i find it a good idea to beat the defender person before you retrieve it. If he recalls, or dies he wont be able to chase you. A good thing as the standard can drain quite a bit from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Word. Actually, it's 268 words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Now 3 people come for your standard ? - Ignore the Standard, there is little you can do. Focus on the weakest opponent and maul him. Full loot if you feel like it. That will allow you a better chance at retrieving your Standard back. F that. Take out the strongest and make them all cry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iusedtobesomebody Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Actually' date=' it's 268 words.[/quote'] And you wasted all that time counting? You could have spent it rolling a char that could possibly beat me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 And you wasted all that time counting? You could have spent it rolling a char that could possibly beat me. If you stayed with a character ever. I put them into a word count, get over yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iusedtobesomebody Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 If you stayed with a character ever. I put them into a word count' date=' get over yourself. [/quote'] Touche! BUT, I do have a new (read: yet ANOTHER) one at 50... Muwhahaha.....hahahaha.... ahaha.... hrmm... um... bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L-A Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 If you can't retrieve vs 3 ppl you're just not trying hard enough. L-A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 If you can't retrieve vs 3 ppl you're just not trying hard enough. L-A Who are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Child Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 He's the man you wish you could be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 He's the man you wish you could be... Leonidus, the dude that got to kill a fat load of Persians before dying and saving his country? 300=awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali_gmud Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Physco child, have you only just returned to the forums? I swear you have been absent for some time. Generally when there is 3 cabal'd characters standing by the guard, and one enemy in the area you'll get... [NEXUS] Azantar says 'I'll get'em, you wait here.' [NEXUS] Zauhael says 'Ok Boss, I love you man.' [NEXUS] Anume says ' *giggles*' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deykari Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 NO. if i see somebody that you want to attack, and they are in a fight. attack them. you have your reasons to attack them right? to make sure they die. so why leave it to somebody else? it makes no sense. this idea of "its lame to attack people in midfight is stupid. not doing it because its lame is OOC. isnt this game supposed to enforce RP? the way i see it, if you ignore part of your RP for the sake of another player, you should be punished. no ifs ands or buts. period. Maybe sometimes, roleplay has to give way for the sake of reasonable play? 1 Nexus online, and 5 purity religion characters. In reality, the 5 purity characters (excluding any roleplay that dictates otherwise) are going to group up and smash in the nexus together. In reality, it would give the nexus player practically no chance. Opposite applies - 5 nexus chars IRL could be expected to form together and achieve their goals. Why don't they? Because it makes it unfair on the other player. Now, I agree that: - Full looting should exist; - Attacking another mid-fight is fine; - Multiple numbers in cabal warfare is fine; - However you treat another player, expect them to treat you the same OR worse and don't whine about it... BUT... At some point, roleplay has to give way to fairness. If I have a character that is an extremist purity character, ICly I am going to do what it takes to rid Aabahran of evil. OOCly, if I just go around ganging evils and full-looting them of their red dragon EQ, I'm not being fair on other players, regardless of whether it's IC or not. I'm not saying it's a good or bad thing, just food for thought. I will never agree with the vet "IC" stances of "if I have reason to kill them I have reason to full loot them" because if we're going to take that stance, if I have reason to kill them, I have reason to gang and multi-kill an full-loot them forever. Naturally people will always have differing mindsets though, so a 'perfect' FL world will never exist. P.S I'm a little drunk so I may not make perfect sense. Dey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HouselessRogue Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 If ganging isn't against the rules why do people get zapped for doing it? Dey's post is spot on. Read it. Learn it. Live it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali_gmud Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 my post is sexier, it's how it actually happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblades713 Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 P.S I'm a little drunk so I may not make perfect sense. Dey I'm to the point where I understand you better when you're drunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iusedtobesomebody Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 People are more worried about losing their shinies than losing a life. This is the biggest form of OOC overtaking RP ever. But, whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deykari Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 People are more worried about losing their shinies than losing a life. This is the biggest form of OOC overtaking RP ever. But, whatever. I agree, in that losing your EQ seems to be the biggest worry over actually losing a life, but that's simply how the game is. Losing a life means very little, OOCly if you still have your badass EQ. It's what you have to expect, given FL's emphasis on EQ. I'm all for the removal of LI, the bringing in of competitive-but-not-amazing cabal suits, and the toning of the high-level EQ. Dey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iusedtobesomebody Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 I agree Dey. Just to clarify, I wasn't knocking people who decide to 'have class' or whatever you want to call it- I was knocking the pansies who delete because they lose all the shinies or believe eq to be the be-all/end-all of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekky Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 NO. if i see somebody that you want to attack, and they are in a fight. attack them. you have your reasons to attack them right? to make sure they die. so why leave it to somebody else? it makes no sense. this idea of "its lame to attack people in midfight is stupid. not doing it because its lame is OOC. isnt this game supposed to enforce RP? the way i see it, if you ignore part of your RP for the sake of another player, you should be punished. no ifs ands or buts. period. If you read my post, I never said "You cannot attack someone who is mid-fight". All I really said was "apply your own standards of tag-teaming or fight-jumping and act accordingly". I would personally not jump in on fights or tag-team, you apparently would. We just play differently and that's fine. Hopefully I can escape being banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadCowDisease Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 dey, this game is tough on every other aspect. why should it loosen up on luck? if you dont have it, it sucks to be you. thats how it goes with everything else. so why should bad luck be taken into account here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadCowDisease Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 NO. if i see somebody that you want to attack' date=' and they are in a fight. attack them. you have your reasons to attack them right? to make sure they die. so why leave it to somebody else? it makes no sense. this idea of "its lame to attack people in midfight is stupid. not doing it because its lame is OOC. isnt this game supposed to enforce RP? the way i see it, if you ignore part of your RP for the sake of another player, you should be punished. no ifs ands or buts. period.[/b'] If you read my post, I never said "You cannot attack someone who is mid-fight". All I really said was "apply your own standards of tag-teaming or fight-jumping and act accordingly". I would personally not jump in on fights or tag-team, you apparently would. We just play differently and that's fine. Hopefully I can escape being banned. i personally would do nothing. my character would be faced with that decision. thats what ive been trying to say. its not what YOU think you should do. its what YOUR CHARACTER would do. worried about being classy? avoid making unclassy characters. that simple. im not trying to flame anyone.. but its kinda rediculous that the same people (not necessarily you, but you get my point) that told me to "toughen up" are now complaining and the newbie has to be the one saying "toughen up." yes. life sucks. you win some, you lose some. sh** happens. Is it against the rules? no (with the exception of qrace/qclasses, as mentioned above). is it "classy"? no. does that even matter? no. different characters have different standards. EDIT: i would go so far to say that the 5 nexus (some, if not all) would be breaking their RP to not attack the goodie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 It's cool Chayesh I understood what you meant, I was just expressing my opinion. On the subject however, I do believe it should be against the rules to gang someone when they are at war with another cabal, expecially if you are not caballed. Now most people may not agree, but this is how I feel. Yes there are somepeople who are ultra Chayesh like in pk who can take 5 people at once. But then again you got the guy like me who just came back to the mud and say hasn't had a pinned char in over 2 years. So I can't defend my standard against three nexus at once, while a syndicate is trying to get my bounty, and then the Savants are bored because Warmasters are never on so they want some of that one knight too. Then you have all the evils who want to be in syndicate/nexus/savant but they figure man, I can't take that demon dk or undead lich, hmmm, there are three nexus on, I bet that knight is running for his life, easy target, Oh yea! Now, in certain circumstances, I do believe it should not only be frowned upon, but illegal to gang people. I want to make it clear that I was in no way bitching or anything when I posted this, it's just an example. I've played a purity cleric trusted in knight when they whomped buttholes and evils were far and few between at pinnacle, having to ask someone to bounty me so syndis would come and I could get a little pk in. It's just like Dey said though, every has their own little idea about fl, and well I guess mine is the fair fight system (lol I made a funny) even though everyone talks about being 'classy' and not full looting save the every now and then bitter player. But even though after saying this all, I would have to say I enjoy it when I seem like I am the target of everyone on, especially when I do particularly well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest emp_newb Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 I feel the SAME way. Loquaciant had very real, viable reasons to want crusader maerothir dead, he saw me, attacked me, and chased, then when he realized I was already in another fight, he backed off. Why? Not because his demon gives a **** about me, he rped a complete ******* after the fight but he showed class through the jerkiness. There is a fine line between awe inspiring vet, and trashy power gamer. What side do you want to be on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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