Cabal Wars: To Kill.. Or Not To Kill.. That is the Question..

[Psycho Child]

Physco child' date=' have you only just returned to the forums? I swear you have been absent for some time.[/quote']

Yeah I snuck back in today... I'll vanish again before ya know it...

[sarcon]

I feel the SAME way. Loquaciant had very real' date=' viable reasons to want crusader maerothir dead, he saw me, attacked me, and chased, then when he realized I was already in another fight, he backed off. Why? Not because his demon gives a **** about me, he rped a complete ******* after the fight but he showed class through the jerkiness. There is a fine line between awe inspiring vet, and trashy power gamer. What side do you want to be on?[/quote']

When I am bored.. I will have to vote TRASHY POWER GAMER!!

[Twinblades713]

When I am bored.. I will have to vote TRASHY POWER GAMER!!

Or when it's Mon-Fri. Or... when you're hungry... or when you have a pulse.

[MadCowDisease]

trashy power gamer.

if RPing is trashy power-gamer crap. thats the side im on. i will not forsake a character's RP for the feelings of another player. i wont do it. it shouldnt be allowed. people that do should be punished. not severely, because they have no actual benefit from breaking the RP in that situation, but still punished.

that being said, i have never ganged. the only deceitful kill i ever made was my first PK.

[Guest emp_newb]

It is not about the feelings of anyone, it is about the level of the game. Personally I can think of NOONE who wants to play a game where they cannot do anything, not even fully equip, because of a bunch of dicks who won't give you 10 minutes of peace to gather a basic suit. There is very little rp with a full sac/loot in my opinion. Becuase goodies do it, and evils do it. Sure you can say I did it to preserve the light, or I did it because I wanted to. Deep down there are 2 reasons, #1 is you wanted the gear, #2 is you do not want your opponent to have it. On one hand keeping enemies trimmed is one thing, but constant 0 rp full sac/loots are just a pile of junk. Justify it how you want, say what you want. You ALL feel this way, regardless of if you admit it.

[MadCowDisease]

It is not about the feelings of anyone' date=' it is about the level of the game. Personally I can think of NOONE who wants to play a game where they cannot do anything, not even fully equip, because of a bunch of dicks who won't give you 10 minutes of peace to gather a basic suit. There is very little rp with a full sac/loot in my opinion. Becuase goodies do it, and evils do it. Sure you can say I did it to preserve the light, or I did it because I wanted to. Deep down there are 2 reasons, #1 is you wanted the gear, #2 is you do not want your opponent to have it. On one hand keeping enemies trimmed is one thing, but constant 0 rp full sac/loots are just a pile of junk. Justify it how you want, say what you want. You ALL feel this way, regardless of if you admit it.[/quote']

yeah see the last time i had a problem re-equipping i was told to "toughen up"

so.. toughen up.

first off.. since when are you entitled to a full suit? or any gear for that matter. i would like to know so i can turn in my claim... again. getting killed while gearing is...bad luck. you have enemies. everyone does. good, evil, nuetral it doesnt matter.

second.. full/sac ... its part of the game. RP reasons for doing it? you killed them. as far as you know, they're dead. doesnt matter at that time if the gods ressurect them. why differentiate between them and the basic mobs in the game? because somebody plays them? thats OOC knowledge. ..so they're dead. what to do with their stuff? hmm... take it...destroy it... leave it... hmmmm.. is your character greedy? does he know that he can become stronger? does he want better equipment? then he takes it. is it useless to him, but he would rather not have anyone stumble across it? he sacs it. is he ignorant/overconfident? he leaves it.

third.. double standards. drop them. you dont care unless it happens to you. its how life works. unless it affects them, people tend not to care. not universally true, but it is true for a vast majority. also. i kinda pride myself on sticking very strictly to my characters. i never full/sac for OOC reasons. in fact, hardly ever do i full/sac

[Twinblades713]

When'd you grow a pair and decide to take this front? For me it's just not fun to full loot. My current has been full looted every single of my past 5 deaths. Out of around my last 40 pks, I have full looted two people.

Fight me and die, and you probably won't lose your stuff.

Fight me and win, do whatever the hell you want. What I think doesn't matter anyway.

[a-guitarist]

alright. We've all done it, let's air the house out.

Stop hiding behind the "morality" of "rp" by saying, "full looting is my rp" or "not tandeming/ganging is stupid, my rp says I kill relentlessly."

Well. That worked at one point in time, years ago when we all were learning how to rp. Now that we're all old enough to have kids of our own, and be edcuated and smart, or not, whatever. Doesn't mater, the fact is everyone is here to have fun. Most people full loot because it is a matter of habit, or frustration, or real fear. "man, he attacked, almost got me... and his crap is there... sac it all.. sac it all." why? Because we've all fought that one stupid *** thief at 30 who attacks, dies, gets stuff, attacks, dies gets stuff, attacks, can't get his stuff anymore, attacks, dies, attacks, dies, etc.

When you are full looted it isn't fun. Not fun at all. Period. I hate it, you hate it, hell... even mikey hates it, and that sunuvagun likes everything. If, at this stage of the game (fl's lifespan) you can't develop an rp past the dynamic of, "I'm good, I kill evils and ruin all their chances." then get the hell out, you're an idiot and don't deserve to be here. I think there is probably a preschool in texas that needs someone to preach black and white issues.

Welcome to FL, where even the black and white is grey enough to have interesting ideas that you all can make. Why not tandem a guy, "Hah, he's already in a fight... his evil ways will surely be vanquished by the other's sword... I have a respite from battle long enough to take in the sun- wait, what is this? An adventuring party has wandered into an area far to deadly for their experience... I'll help them!"

"By Chayesh's blade, that lifeling will tarnish to the Nameless' word. ... He is already in battle to another. Hah. The nameless deserves a soul freshly picked by my own hands... not something I've picked as if it were a child's sugar cane... maybe I should go obtian some milk, these long travels empty my gut."

Basically... quit being a moral idiot. "RP is RP, I WON"T do ANYTHING to not do what my char wouldn't do." Shut the **** up and realize that this is a game, and not real life, like you said. Okay, this game is meant to be fun for everyone, if being fun for you is being the right biggest idiot and douche bag in the world, let me know your character names (probaly the ones that follow the same typical, cliche crap anyways... I always avoid the minotaur with bleeding eyes, the dark knight with armour made of bones, and any female desecription that mention supple breasts.) so when I see you on, I will just log off. Period. I won't attack you, full loot you, gang you, etc. Because I don't make people have bad days for the sake of it, and then hide behind, "it's my RP." I used to, when I was 21, half drunk, and a bigger dick than I am today.

Punish people who go out of their way to help someone in game? If it isn't a good giving rares to an evil and saying, "here, evil dude, hope you play more!" then shut the **** up right now mcd. RP isn't cut and dry. RP has many angles. Someone once rped with me after I asked for help, me being a lowely paladin, themseleves an epicly strong necro. I was new, asked them for help getting armour... they saw my corpse under the golems a few times. He walked in, killed the golem and told me to "take the wretched mithril, it does no good for my purposes." I asked him what his purposes were, "This corpse will be my minion, to kill Nymphs and Dryads. Begone from my face, you are not worthy to see my eyes or magic. And with that I left. he helped me, he rped calling me names and what not, he may have raised the corpse, but at 50 he had no reason to go and hunt emerald. But, he did RP an evil necro. He did help an elf paladin. But... nah, you'er right, he should be punished.

Me and that *******. I break IC to help total newbs when the IMMs aren't on, or are on and are just Wizinvis. I also break RP when I realize someone is having a bad day and just wants to power level... do they want to hear me talk and blather on at the mouth about the trees and the leaves burning becasue of my fireballs? Well, I got the feeling no, so I shut up and just layed waste to the forest. I'm an *******, man. Thanks for letting me know.

Oh, or when I'm a good and an evil with pale skin at level 30 is near me... man, I tlak to the dude. My RP may be purity... but, purity doens't mean mindlessly killing every evil. Maybe he's just... half evil? give a chat. OOC I know he's gonna attack me, IC I know he just got to 30 and hasn't trained fully yet, just sent in his app. He'll die to me. I could cherry pick him, but I don't. I go to talk and make him come to the good side, he says, "and what if I don't?" to which I respond, "Then someday our swords will meet, and yours will be dented by the rocks it falls on." and then I leave. He did no evil iinfront of me, suure, I know he's evil, but on the current end, he did no evil to or infront of me. I'm "cool" with that.

a-g

Oh, and you have my word i won't tell anyone else your names. It'll be between me and you. I won't tell you who I am, though.

[MadCowDisease]

When'd you grow a pair and decide to take this front? For me it's just not fun to full loot. My current has been full looted every single of my past 5 deaths. Out of around my last 40 pks, I have full looted two people.

Fight me and die, and you probably won't lose your stuff.

Fight me and win, do whatever the hell you want. What I think doesn't matter anyway.

:confused:

i had a sudden revelation i guess.

[MadCowDisease]

alright. We've all done it' date=' let's air the house out.[/quote']

Stop hiding behind the "morality" of "rp" by saying, "full looting is my rp" or "not tandeming/ganging is stupid, my rp says I kill relentlessly." should your rp revolve around it? no. but if you have a legitimate reason to, and honor isnt your middle name.. whats the deal?

Well. That worked at one point in time, years ago when we all were learning how to rp. Now that we're all old enough to have kids of our own, and be edcuated and smart, or not, whatever. Doesn't mater, the fact is everyone is here to have fun. Most people full loot because it is a matter of habit, or frustration, or real fear. "man, he attacked, almost got me... and his crap is there... sac it all.. sac it all." why? Because we've all fought that one stupid *** thief at 30 who attacks, dies, gets stuff, attacks, dies gets stuff, attacks, can't get his stuff anymore, attacks, dies, attacks, dies, etc.

When you are full looted it isn't fun. Not fun at all. Period. I hate it, you hate it, hell... even mikey hates it, and that sunuvagun likes everything. If, at this stage of the game (fl's lifespan) you can't develop an rp past the dynamic of, "I'm good, I kill evils and ruin all their chances." then get the hell out, you're an idiot and don't deserve to be here. I think there is probably a preschool in texas that needs someone to preach black and white issues.

if you're putting the knowledge of them coming back to life in your RP, you needa figure out whats IC and whats OOC. the only thing seperating PCs and NPCs is what, PCs show up on who/where? and thats IC...how? look.. there is nothing IC aside from assumptions to lead you to think they're coming back to life. nothing. which brings you to the scenario a couple posts back. full..sac..leave it? read above for a lowdown on that situation. im not retyping it.

Welcome to FL' date=' where even the black and white is grey enough to have interesting ideas that you all can make. Why not tandem a guy, "Hah, he's already in a fight... his evil ways will surely be vanquished by the other's sword... I have a respite from battle long enough to take in the sun- wait, what is this? An adventuring party has wandered into an area far to deadly for their experience... I'll help them!"[/quote'] so everytime a fight is going on theres some hapless group in an area too tough? if thats your character in that situation, by all means help them. otherwise, i would expect you to stay IC and gang. I would expect it no matter the side. because FL enforces RP, not strictly "classy" behavior. in other words: hold whatever ideals you wish, so long as you play your character before yourself.

"By Chayesh's blade' date=' that lifeling will tarnish to the Nameless' word. ... He is already in battle to another. Hah. The nameless deserves a soul freshly picked by my own hands... not something I've picked as if it were a child's sugar cane... maybe I should go obtian some milk, these long travels empty my gut."[/quote'] or the nameless could receive two souls by your blade. one soul filled with anguish over his demise, and hatred for his/her vanquishers. the other, filled with loathing and the torment of betrayal in his/her final moments. take your pick, but be sure to act consistant with your character.

Basically... quit being a moral idiot. "RP is RP' date=' I WON"T do ANYTHING to not do what my char wouldn't do." Shut the **** up and realize that this is a game, and not real life, like you said. Okay, this game is meant to be fun for everyone, if being fun for you is being the right biggest idiot and douche bag in the world, let me know your character names (probaly the ones that follow the same typical, cliche crap anyways... I always avoid the minotaur with bleeding eyes, the dark knight with armour made of bones, and any female desecription that mention supple breasts.) so when I see you on, I will just log off. Period. I won't attack you, full loot you, gang you, etc. Because I don't make people have bad days for the sake of it, and then hide behind, "it's my RP." I used to, when I was 21, half drunk, and a bigger dick than I am today.[/quote'] moral idiot would be the person so wrapped up in being "classy" that they forget what makes FL what it is.

and actually.. my characters have been... emotaur (dude i was new, and also the only one i have ever killed anyone with). liandra. (i'll go ahead and say it. and yes totenkompf, you were right) morivir, and my current character, who i wont reveal, because i dont want grudges from xhan. emotaur? generic. yes. liandra? i like to think not, but sure. morivir? the guy was a pacifist unless somebody was being harassed. current? im not gonna delve into it, i dont want to ruin it. if you're that obsessed with calling me out on descriptions and RP, i'll see what ive got in my logs and will look at my descs (cept xhan, he's deleted).

Punish people who go out of their way to help someone in game? If it isn't a good giving rares to an evil and saying, "here, evil dude, hope you play more!" then shut the **** up right now mcd. RP isn't cut and dry. RP has many angles. Someone once rped with me after I asked for help, me being a lowely paladin, themseleves an epicly strong necro. I was new, asked them for help getting armour... they saw my corpse under the golems a few times. He walked in, killed the golem and told me to "take the wretched mithril, it does no good for my purposes." I asked him what his purposes were, "This corpse will be my minion, to kill Nymphs and Dryads. Begone from my face, you are not worthy to see my eyes or magic. And with that I left. he helped me, he rped calling me names and what not, he may have raised the corpse, but at 50 he had no reason to go and hunt emerald. But, he did RP an evil necro. He did help an elf paladin. But... nah, you'er right, he should be punished.

Me and that *******. I break IC to help total newbs when the IMMs aren't on, or are on and are just Wizinvis. I also break RP when I realize someone is having a bad day and just wants to power level... do they want to hear me talk and blather on at the mouth about the trees and the leaves burning becasue of my fireballs? Well, I got the feeling no, so I shut up and just layed waste to the forest. I'm an *******, man. Thanks for letting me know.

Oh, or when I'm a good and an evil with pale skin at level 30 is near me... man, I tlak to the dude. My RP may be purity... but, purity doens't mean mindlessly killing every evil. Maybe he's just... half evil? give a chat. OOC I know he's gonna attack me, IC I know he just got to 30 and hasn't trained fully yet, just sent in his app. He'll die to me. I could cherry pick him, but I don't. I go to talk and make him come to the good side, he says, "and what if I don't?" to which I respond, "Then someday our swords will meet, and yours will be dented by the rocks it falls on." and then I leave. He did no evil iinfront of me, suure, I know he's evil, but on the current end, he did no evil to or infront of me. I'm "cool" with that.

so... let me get this straight. you're using OOC knowledge (knowing his alignment without interaction, casting any detect spell, watching him) to justify IC action/inaction (in this case, not attacking him and engaging in RP)... forgive me if im not impressed.

yes. vets break RP to help new people. while ive never been a good shown around by an evil or vice versa, yes it happens. but again. how do you know if someone shares your beliefs without interaction? could the necro not have been subtely flaunting their power as a sort of "mess with me and your dead" message? my current character recently helped a group of lower levels. why? is it in the characters nature to be helpful? no. it was a message. "there are much stronger beings in this world than you. You are weak. You can become much stronger, but until then, silence yourself." And I made sure to convey that in my RP.

[Reccum]

I agree with MCD, all both EMP and AG are talking about in this thread is blatant OOCness and for what? So someone doesnt get their feelings hurt cuz they got looted? boofrickenhoo. FL is a dangerous world, thats how it is. By no means do I full/sacc everytime I kill someone, but if I don't it is for purely IC reasons, not because I pity the guy for being worse than me in that instance.

Weakness begets weakness, if we all just play nice and never loot each other or do things that some players deem unclassy then what will be left of FL? A big old tea party where everyone has perma LI based on the kindness of others. BOOOOORING. You are all so afraid of losing a few players by RPing a proper chaotic good/evil that you are forgetting all the experienced players that would leave if FL because too mushy.

Hell, we might as well make FL one giant safe zone and open an arena for 1v1 dueling that both parties have to consent to enter, and make sure that on death there can be no looting!

[MadCowDisease]

wait..somebody agrees...with me? O_O HOLY F****N SH**!!!!

lol thanks reccum.

[MeleeCrazy]

Not much to be said A-G is hard to follow.

I have gotten used to the inner workings of the game, frustrating as it may be at times.

Only Instance where i was truly pissed off at everything is when as an evil was attacked by two goodies grouped, felled and fulllooted. I was outraged tried to Rp with them "why would such humble and pure beings do such evil?" I said "We are more alike than you know" i said, then cackled as i formulated my plan. I made an ally to help me gain wears, then waited partiently for the gooodies to part ways, I then offed them both the eact way they had me.

Shortly after was summoned by an Imm told what i did was wrong, When i tried to explain myself Both IC then by Imms suggestion OOC, told again that it was not to be done, That my RP was BAD and against the rules then killed when i refused to give the "i'm sorry it won't happen again speech"

This was quite some time ago, but i remember how furious i was, rage delete followed. And that's why i'm always confused about these discussions.

Did I not Rp it well, plotting and planning, lieing in wait till my prey was ripe?

Even after i ganged them both i offered a fair fight to each when they were ready, And scolded them harshly for using "evil" tactics, that they best leave it to the evils because we are much better at it.

I think a player should have some dignity and "class" , even if it's their RP to be a total brainless douchebag. Being a dick, just to be a dick and hurt other peoples experience is retarded. I remember a time when you could be banned for such stupidity

[Twinblades713]

Dude, you guys are arguing completely retarded points. The repeating is getting boring, but I don't get what isn't getting across. Let me lay this down. You do what makes the game fun for others, because as it stands, that's what a game is supposed to be.

In real life, there are ways to have fun in activities your way, and ways to have fun while making things fun for others. Example. When you're little, maybe you like to shove the other kid into the mud when playing tag. Now he's all dirty, starts crying and leaves. Or, you play "nice" and tag someone, then run away or sneak up behind people.

You can have fun your way in FL too. Oh yeah, full loot this bitch and let him feel the burn. Or rp with him after. AG's example of the necro is a completely excellent example. Talk ****, do ****ty stuff, but when it comes down to it there's another person on the other side. There are some good examples of these kinds of characters. Morchial I believe did a decent job. Was he a solid player? I believe so. Did he go hunting and full looting little guys, I'd hope not. He rped with me on two levels, evil to evil, and evil to good. Both of my characters in the situation were lowbies. He played the part perfectly.

FL is a tough world. ROLEPLAY that it is a tough world. Don't make it a tough world just for your own giggles. Do you understand the difference between these? Now, the vast majority of my characters are evil, but I tend to get shoutouts for offering good experiences. I'm not bragging because I want to look good, I'm saying it to show you it's possible, like you seem to be rejecting.

I don't believe FL shouldn't be dangerous. That's a red herring argument all of itself. I think it's a wonderful place to be on edge, but it's also a wonderful place for creating experiences and stories. If all you get is "I hate your evilness and you need to die and have nothing", out the window goes any sort of good interaction you could have had.

Now, I play Scorvale. She's nearing her end, and I care no longer who knows. I've.... killed a few people. There are always opposing opinions, but I hear she's not bad to interact with. Guess what? I've rped ALOT, long sessions with goods. Those were actually my best interactions. Could I have been killing the naked good in front of me? Especially when certain qclass situations might call for it? You bet I could. Did I? Sometimes, not always. I always took chances to rp over chances to just pk a fool. There were alot of people that didn't want to talk to me after a death, that's their choice, but I almost always offered a chance to rp. Now I'm not the model of perfection, I'm not better than anyone, but I like to think I add to the game.

I'd like to think everyone does, but this thread wouldn't be here if that was the case.

[Reccum]

Why cant someone RP a lot, be fun to interact with and full/sac people if they have a good reason too? All this talk about a grey area yet it's like for some reason you can't do both?

If someone elses idea of fun is never dying, or never getting looted, well TFB, they picked the wrong game. The majority (see the poll) agree that full looting should be an option, not a norm, but still an option. It has ALWAYS been an option in FL as far as I know.

Look, I don't like getting fulled either, I dont even like getting looted (too bad I don't believe in LI), yes it makes me mad, but I am mostly mad at myself for getting mad. If someone's entire day is ruined because they got looted, they should get a life. This is a game. Rares are rare, noone is entitled to them. Moreover there are a million and one things I have seen people do, people who talk about how classy they are on the forums and in the shoutouts, that make me decide to full them if I get the chance.

[Twinblades713]

K peace out. If you're not gonna talk about things that are relevant, ain't no need to keep posting here.

\o/

[MadCowDisease]

twin- i dont get what isnt getting through about what im sayin.

i am not saying kill everyone you get a chance to. not by any stretch of the imagination. im not saying full/sac every kill. im not saying gang when you can.

what i am saying is dont avoid these things just because you as a person..you OOC.. think it to be unclassy. if you know any of my recent characters, i do a lot of straight up refusing to fight people. PERSONALLY.. i like to PK. its a rush. but i play these characters. and do what they would do. if that means gang somebody, call the clan for backup, deceive people.. so be it. i wont put RP in park to spare some caballed pinn. if my character wants them dead, or is a greedy son of a... then you better believe i will cash in on it. i'll leave the OOC crap where it belongs, in the forums, and apologize in shout outs for taking advantage of the situation.

helping new people? wonderful. as long as you RP it, thats awesome. kudos. never once have i said dont do it.

RP when you PK? definately. whether its banter at the two fighting before joining in, throwing a few insults midfight. Posting notes announcing their death.. 100% for it, and when i do come across a situation where i need to PK, you better believe i'll do it. it should be expected in an RPG.

[MeleeCrazy]

Why cant someone RP a lot' date=' be fun to interact with and full/sac people if they have a good reason too? All this talk about a grey area yet it's like for some reason you can't do both?[/quote']

No reason, but i believe it's no longer a discussion on full-looting, ganging, cabal warfare interference, and more about player conduct. The problem comes when these things are done to an excess, with no thought invovled at all. Just saying "my Rp is to Kill and full loot people as much as i can until I'm dead for good" is NOT RP! It's an excuse, a place anyone can jump to when questioned, treated as a cure-all scenario for sensless PK.

[MadCowDisease]

No reason' date=' but i believe it's no longer a discussion on full-looting, ganging, cabal warfare interference, and more about player conduct. The problem comes when these things are done to an excess, with no thought invovled at all. Just saying "my Rp is to Kill and full loot people as much as i can until I'm dead for good" is NOT RP! It's an excuse, a place anyone can jump to when questioned, treated as a cure-all scenario for sensless PK.[/quote']

this thread spiraled towards player conduct from the very first post. and never once have i advocated "my Rp is to Kill and full loot people as much as i can until I'm dead for good" never. senseless PK is terrible.

[MeleeCrazy]

i am not saying kill everyone you get a chance to. not by any stretch of the imagination. im not saying full/sac every kill. im not saying gang when you can.

what i am saying is dont avoid these things just because you as a person..you OOC.. think it to be unclassy.

Just to clarify, i Don't disagree with you, but when playing an interacting with people in any game enviroment player conduct should be taken into acount even Especially with RPG's. This is the one OOC aspect That in no way hurts the game and in fact even helps.

this thread spiraled towards player conduct from the very first post. and never once have i advocated "my Rp is to Kill and full loot people as much as i can until I'm dead for good" never. senseless PK is terrible.

Never Sayed you did, just stating my opinion is all, was not my intention to call you out about anything. Just enjoying a heated discussion

[MadCowDisease]

Just to clarify' date=' i Don't disagree with you, but when playing an interacting with people in any game enviroment player conduct should be taken into acount even Especially with RPG's. This is the one OOC aspect That in no way hurts the game and in fact even helps.[/quote']

i understand what your saying. just that, personally, i hate when people break character. hate it.

[MeleeCrazy]

Point taken, but i retort if done correctly poeple will not know you've done anything at all.

big futurama fan

[MadCowDisease]

yeah this thread as been beaten to death. i dont even have the fight left in me to post another arguement

[Reccum]

There is a fine line between awe inspiring vet' date=' and trashy power gamer. What side do you want to be on?[/quote']

This is a matter of opinion. One could argue that the player who deems it unfair to be jumped by an enemy and defeated is the power gamer.

Why is he upset? Because he lost a life and some eq...aren't those the things that matter most to a ---- power gamer?

I think twinblades said there was a difference between following the rules and being classy. Heh, that's fine because the rules are there to make the game function, some person or persons own personal rules are what define class. You wanna be "classy" noone will stop you, I promise. As long as we all abide by the rules.

I do however think the game could benefit from some changes.

More accessible eq (especially at pinn).

A smaller gap between decked people and non decked people.

Slightly faster training and ranking to accomadate the smaller PB.

I am pretty sure that these changes would alleviate a lot of the griping about ganging and fulling, people would just play their chars and have fun. I also bet a hell of a lot more people would condie. Most are afraid of losing their eq, thus their life (unless they are a cabal badass with oodles of CP to spare on LI), and then chars last forever until they rage delete from one incident deemed "unfair" or "unclassy".

So this is what the game has become? It is almost like every char is a hardcore char in that sense. I get one life and then I'm out, right Sarcon?

I bet the RP would pick up tremendously if people werent so preoccupied with having every skill at 100%, having the perfect set, the perfect race, the perfect cabal combo, the list goes on.

What I'm saying wouldn't be Halloween madness, but it would be a lot more fun IMO if everyone got to 50 a lil quicker, maxed their skills a lil faster, could buy a set of playable eq for gold or cp, and got in the mix, and just had at it.

[MadCowDisease]

reccum.. give it a rest already